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Thx for posting your great AAR! It provides some insight to his methods, reasoning and teaching style. I haven't trained with him so only based on what I saw in his Panteao video, he heavily concentrates on the fundamentals and is methodical about his approach. I do wish that he'd be a little more expeditionary in his training methods, though.
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lol! Epic. Good advice!
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As many of you can tell by my join date, 2008, and the fact that I have only about 150 posts as of this post, you can tell I'm not very active on this board. I often just lurk and read posts rather than join them. On some occassions I will comment, if I have something to contribute, or like many here, will post to try and make someone laugh with (what I think is) a witty remark. When I started this thread I had no ideal another post was going on that specifically mentions Paul until finished reading this one:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=534657 It was not until i read Jack's Smirking Revenge's post that I found this post that mentions Paul directly: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...hp?t=532564Its Zombie its obvious your a fan of the other guy but it seems to me that you might have something against Paul. In this post you have made two comments I thought were rather snide or smug. You try and mask it by ending the posts with "genuine hero, great guy, he knows his stuff etc..." but I see right through that. Paul certainly doesn't need me defending him but I'm calling you out on the following comment: Quote:
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EDIT: This is not the exact article I recall reading, but it's close enough. CLICK HERE Maybe I have it wrong, but Paul calls something a "deliberate 3 inch offset" at 100-yards. That particular zero hits POI=POA at 25 yards. I make no other comment in this regard. Make of it what you will. I think what confuses people is that I can simultaneously be a fan of someone without worshiping them and treating them like every word which comes from their mouth is sacred. For instance I guarantee you that when Jeff Cooper has written something about mindset ... I'm all ears/eyes. Simultaneously, I ignore almost anything he has to say about ballistics, because he demonstrated on more than one occasion that he really hasn't a clue in that regard. If you think I am a James Yeager "fanboi", you are mistaken on that as well. I regularly piss off Yeager on his forum. I am a student of many, a disciple of none. I look up to Paul Howe. He's a better man than I will ever be from all accounts. Nonetheless, he is still a man, and puts his pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us. Surely there is no insult in the latter observation, given the absolute reality of the former. If you are trying to pick a fight owing to a disagreement on some other issue ... please don't. I'm not playing.
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ZombieTactics,
Interesting. You have Howe’s video where he clearly explains his 100 yard zero, BTW I do own his vids. 100 yard with "deliberate 3 inch offset" is clearly different than 100 yard zero. You make comments like “eyes glazed over…” “ours go to 11…” For the record Paul never glazed over anyone in my class, even if he disagreed with him. So I’ll wait till you find that article or post where he did it to someone, please show us all. Also you claim on the other thread he violates his own safety rules in his videos. If and when you go see him be sure to mention to him what violations occurred, I’m sure he would like to hear them. Now whether you intended to do so or not you came across as smug with little digs. They weren’t blatant but they were digs. If you don’t see that then you need to take a good look at yourself in the mirror. I think its rather telling that someone boasts (twice already that I know of- one here in this thread and again in the photographer thread) that you regularly pisses off Yeager in his own forum. I don’t know what you’re trying to prove by that comment. It’s rather smug to enter someone’s “house” to regularly piss him off, no? If you take this as a fight it is not. If I wanted to engage in a “fight” I would have done so in the photographer thread. I’m just trying to show you where I’m coming from and how you appear to me on this thread. Judging by the other comments on the other threads I posted I’m pretty sure I’m not alone. If I’m wrong then I’m wrong. That being said how about we get back on topic. If you like to rebut anything I wrote I’ll give you the last word then let’s move back to topic. |
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If you check the context of my comments, they were not slams or insults against Paul, but simply offered (to those citing Paul as an authority) as examples of how nobody perfectly follows ALL of the safety rules ALL of the time. I'm a proponent of AIWB carry myself, BTW ... which probably makes both Paul and I idiots according to some ... cue the Plaxico jokes. Quote:
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Paul's a good guy and runs a good school ... hope that doesn't "come off the wrong way"
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Clee, outstanding after action. After having spent 3 days with Kyle in Forida last year, I will be making the effort to see what Paul is all about.
Very well done here, and excellent follow up on answering members questions. Thank you for your efforts... |
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ALrighty now....
Back to the good stuff. For those of you considering going to see Paul, hopefully this vid pushes you to go. It took forever to load but I got Scrambler course up. You are permitted up to 5 shots per target if you don't hit it by then you move on. I shot with Lee who as you can tell by the video is one helluva shot. Me on the other hand, well I'll let the video speak for itself...The Scrambler is trying to replicate battle conditions, running from one set of cover to the next engaging tangos at each stop. Had this been a real battle, I think it would have been a good idea to have just been an ammo mule for Lee and let him take down all the bad guys while I just covered him if we got overrun. LOL. Man can that guy shoot. He only missed at the end when he was tiring. He was a good guy, I'm glad we were partnered up together for the weekend. Heres anther video this time, the magpul boys Mike and Javier shoot the barricades (also good guys, it was a pleasure to meet them) : Take it easy on criticizing my shooting, I sensitive. J/K. I'm blaming the fact that my T1 went down and had to shot irons and that my eye pro was fogging up and the rotation of the earth was too fast and (insert every excuse here)....Rip on me all you want I certainly deserve it. Enjoy. I have some great vids of Paul teaching his tactical lessons and why he chooses them but I won't be posting those. You'll just have to see him to get that info. Last edited by Clee; 02-19-2012 at 9:51 AM.. |
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Nicely done and thanks again for posting. It's an education. The more I see of Paul not only am I more eager to attend his classes but now I'm thinking that it's perhaps best to go to his range with all the facilities, range tools and extended distances and combat scenarios he has there. What do you think?
As an aside, I think for most people, it's definitely easier and more accurate to engage targets with optics (rather than iron sights) as well as magnification for the extended ranges. I too suffer from poor vision.
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Oh yeah I forgot to mention, thanks for bringing it up, I have poor vision so we can insert that excuse in there too but really my eye pro was fogging up and since they are presciption I couldn't change them out. Can you help me think of any other excuses? |
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A few quick notes...
I received word of this thread and let it develop. I know many of the instructors mentioned and history and try not to comment unless it is a matter of safety.
Reference the 100 yard zero. I started using three SR-21 rifle bulls. Why? Head size, black and white contrast so it is easy to see and you can score hits. Using the six-o'clock hold, where the black meets the white, you can either zero your bullets to where the black/white meets or in the center which is about 3" high. This zero will take you out to 300 yards. I had LE targets make up a Long Distance (LD) target that I use for 200/300 and for my 100 yard zeros. I is a CSAT target with black upper box. Again, shoot for a zero where the bullet hits where you cut with the tip of your front sight or the tip of your red dot. Again, this will take you out to 300 yards. I use ballistic charts as a reference and don't believe them until I walk the ground and see the shot. The barrel length, etc. are variables. As for zeroing at 25 and 50, I don't use it unless I have to. Most folks don't realize that any errors at 50 will double at 100. With that, I have never had anyone shoot my standards and pass it with a 50 yard zero. Finally, I do use an inside the waist band holster and get the muzzle close to my body. So what? Tex Scrubner's video where he shoots himself in the leg with a Kimber Pro Carry is done with an outside the pants hip holster. If you have any issues with what I teach, ask me. I have 1 hour Tactical Safety Powerpoint that I show before every tactical class. It covers a great deal of material. If you have any questions on what I have written above, ask me now or e-mail on my website www.combatshootingandtactics.com |
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Awesome of you to stop by!
I'm still confused by the 3" holdover at 100, but it's probably my malfunction. It confuses me because it's so similar to the results I get with a 36-yard/confirmed-at-300 "Marine" zero. The bizness about AIWB in this thread lacks context unless you were following some other threads on this board. I use it as an example of how something can be technically violating a safety rule, but it's not necessarily unsafe in context. I'm a proponent of AIWB myself.
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Shooting bulls...
The 3" high zero started when people shot bulls, like the SR-21 centers I used. Hold at the base of the bull, hit in the middle of the bull, about 3" high. People like to hit the center of the bull so they have to hold their sight in one spot and adjust their impact 3" up. The best way I have found to shoot a bull is to shoot a six-o'clock hold as it is the best focal spot for their eye/sight.
When folks try to put their front sight in the center of the bull, their eye goes back and forth trying to find the perfect sight picture and they get eye strain after too long. This is a center hold on a bull and will also work, but you just don't want to go back and forth too many times. I hope this helps. No problem on the holster issue. Thanks for the note. Paul |
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This is the 36/300 yard zero for the AR. The circle represents a 10" diameter plate and the triangle is the top of the Trijicon Accupoint (for my scope mount offset and my ammo out of a 20" barrel). The hold is for zero between point blank and 350 yards. It's on the left side of the butt stock on my ARs.
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