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Old 09-08-2019, 6:20 PM
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Default Springfield 1898, Help me date it?

So, for many many years I have owned this old rifle. It was a gift from my friends dad when I was a lot younger, and has always been in his gun safe.

I'm almost 40 now; and he isn't getting any younger.... so I figured I would finally dive in and see what its actually worth, and if it indeed is worth bringing into California's BS registration and whatnot.... It would be nice to bring it out here for once in its life.

It is a Springfield Model 1898 Ser#196xxx and its still in fairly decent condition. I shot a few boxes of ammo out of it over the years when im able to go out and visit. Reminds me of a mosin in many ways... It is definitely a long range tack driver as well. (can call him up for the full serial if I need to, 196xxx is what I remember)

I figure this thing is right on the cusp of being considered a collectors item and not a firearm.... So if any experts out there can fill me in, it would be much appreciated. Everything that I can tell, it will MFG in mid 1899. I have had a few people tell me MFG in pre-1899, and some say pre-1900 for the whole "not a firearm" thing... but the MFG date on my particular rifle is very close, and it is purely a guess on my part as to exactly when it was manufactured (given the searchable info I have been able to find).

Just seeing what hoops I am going to have to jump through to finally bring this thing home after owning but not possessing it for most of my life. Maybe it will just go to another out-of-state place again to avoid CA's BS.... We will see.
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Old 09-08-2019, 6:33 PM
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196xxx means 1899 fiscal year, which ran from July 1 1898 - June 30 1899.

There are good records for these, here are the serial ranges by fiscal year.

https://www.nps.gov/spar/learn/histo...%20numbers.doc

I don’t know where you can find specific month info though, but in your case it matters very much. It seems more likely yours was made in 1899 since it is near the end of that production range. Until proven otherwise, I would play safe and treat it as such, which means it is not antique and needs FFL for transfer.

You should ask for this thread to be moved to the C&R subforum where you may get more help dating it to a specific month.
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Old 09-11-2019, 2:06 PM
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Old 09-11-2019, 6:39 PM
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Dude you're not even a dad. Total dad joke.

Yeah you have a US Krag. Those are considered firearms by the ATF IIRC.
I would avoid registering it and keep it out of state. I have a feeling the CA govt is going to go apecrap soon.
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Old 09-11-2019, 9:47 PM
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Pics???

Is it rifle length or a carbine? Krags are really cool, I have a couple of them. Most you find are mixmasters and a lot of rifles were cut to make replica carbines out of them. Since yours has been in storage so long hopefully it’s period correct and complete.
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Old 09-12-2019, 5:06 AM
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Ora Serrata nailed it. For many years Krags were cheap and thousands were converted to hunting rifles by cutting down the stocks and/or shortening the barrel.

Those that just have the stocks cut down are easy to recognize, but people tend to think that any Krag with a short barrel is a "carbine". To add to the confusion, back in the early twentieth century, the government would sell Krags to public through the DCM. When they ran out of "real" carbines, Springfield Armory would shorten rifles into carbine configuration.

If you know what you are looking at, it is fairly easy to determine a genuine carbine from a cut down rifle. The easiest way is to look at the front sight, cut down rifles generally have a 1903 Springfield front sight band vs the original Krag silver soldered sight.

Generally speaking, any Krag that has a 1898 marked receiver is going to have started life as a rifle, but, they did make 5002 1898 marked carbines. They are very rare and most were upgraded to 1899 stocks and rear sights during their service life.

Krag carbines were always produced in specific serial number ranges and in 1898, Krag carbines fall into the serial range from 113,000 through 139,000. You can see that the serial number of your rifle falls outside of this, so it was definitely produced as a rifle, so it should have a full length stock and a 30" barrel.

I am fortunate to have both an original 1898 Krag rifle and an original condition 1898 Krag carbine and can furnish pictures if you need an aid in any identification questions you may have.
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i bought an 1898 K-J rifle (1903) earlier this year, sent to CA through my local FFL and now resides here, no problem...



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That’s a very nice one, overlandflyer
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