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It was not worth the time a few months ago.
IIRC, They wanted you to take the class before submitting the forms for approval which is the reverse of state law. Another roadblock. Let me see if I can find that thread. Edit: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...t=torrance+CCW
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If someone has been law abiding, and has the money to burn for a CCW course (probably worthwhile even if you don't get a CCW), they may want to work up their best Good Cause statement, supported by evidence for each assertion (e.g., range receipts if you say you're an avid shooter who carries multiple rifles, shotguns and/or pistols and hundreds of rounds for each once or twice per month; photos of you in the wilderness if you say you go hiking/backpacking in the wilderness where there's spotty cell hone coverage at best and long LE response). A denial for insufficient GC does not hurt your future chances. A denial for lack of GMC may hurt your future chances. (2) Get the LA County Superior Court's Civil Grand Jury involved in reviewing their policy and practices and give them a smack down. (3) Hire a lawyer and go after them. If I lived in Torrance and wanted, not needed, a CCW, I'd do #1 first and then #2. JMO
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Or you can ignore all of the above and move down the 405 freeway about twenty miles just over the Orange County borderline and you'll get a ccw!
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This is absurd. |
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Forget about Option #3 (unless you just like throwing money away) - The way the current CCW statutes are written, there isn't an effective avenue to challenge them directly. Until the body of constitutional law recognizes a personal right to CCW, there isn't much traction available for a lawsuit.
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...352744&page=24 sfpcservice (per post #948) was behind all that so anyone can PM him at CGN for more info on how he did it, how it went and how to do it. As you can see from this SFBA local news report, the Grand Jury Report is what made Solano Co change its anti ways. Unfortunately, even to this day, some 9 years later, it is still the ONLY "green" county of the 9 SFBA counties. Quote:
Copies of the Solano Co Grand Jury Reports and city PD and county SO replies for 2008 - 2009 can be downloaded for free from: http://www.solano.courts.ca.gov/Gran...s20082009.html Quote:
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After 5 min in, you'll hear him say that others who were behind him were put ahead of him. So again, the narrator indicates this is not how a normal Torrance PD CCW applicant is processed. Plus, if you watch the video to the end, in the last minute you will hear the narrator say that he believes he was singled out in retaliation for his 1st A right to Free Press and videos he's made about Torrance PD and other PDs. IOW, the average Torrance resident who applies won't be treated like he was.
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The Solano County Grand Jury report was a very good find, but it's nearly ten years old and it pretty much summarizes what I posted. All the Grand Jury did was to report their finding to the public. They had no authority to make any changes to practice, nor did they. I scanned the larger police agencies responses to the Grand Jury report and non contained any major "mea culpa". As to the listed lawsuits, none made any provision for sweeping changes in CCW issuance. L.A. County is one of the most difficult places to get a CCW permit, even after Salute. Orange County was equally impossible after Guillory and remained so throughout Carona's tenure and into Hutchens term. It wasn't the Guillory case that changed OCSD's policy, it was a volitional decision by Sheriff Hutchens. You left out the case of Hickman v Block which solidly upheld LASD's effective non-issuance policy. So long as IA's have the ability to vet "Good Cause", you're going to continue to see widely disparate standards for issue.
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Quote: Orange County was equally impossible after Guillory and remained so throughout Carona's tenure and into Hutchens term. It wasn't the Guillory case that changed OCSD's policy, it was a volitional decision by Sheriff Hutchens. You left out the case of Hickman v Block which solidly upheld LASD's effective non-issuance policy. So long as IA's have the ability to vet "Good Cause", you're going to continue to see widely disparate standards for issue.
Carona was actually issuing permits - I had one. When Hutchens came in from LA, she stopped issuing for the most part. My renewal was denied for insufficient good cause. She remained non-issuing untiol a few years ago. When she came in, I even asked the County Supervisors who appointed her to address the issue with her and it did no good. |
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I'm not surprised that you found no success in your attempt for the Board of Supervisors to address the issue with the Sheriff. In California, Sheriffs do not answer to the Supervisors. They're independent constitutional officers and they tend to make sure that their Boards of Supervisors know that. At the same time, the BOS's control the majority of the Sheriff's budgets and then tend to make sure that the Sheriffs know that.
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I found it quite easy to get a permit under Carona, and I had no political or financial ties. I spoke to the supervisors while they were deciding to appoint her to fill the remainder of Carona's term, which is why I thought it might be of some benefit.
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Lost all respect for Torrance p.d . They flat out lied to the guy. They are a disgrace to their profession . I worked 35 years for a government agency ( the other guys with lights and sirens) would never lie to the public like that .
He should go to the press and someone needs a few days off without pay to think about what they did . Just tell truth and you don’t have to remember the lie . |
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Onus.....
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Actually, back then, Carona and the Sheriff of Kern (Youngblood, or something like that), were in a friendly competition to see who could issue more CCWs. At the time, IIRC, Kern was the top issuing agency in the state.
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Spoke to Lieutenant of District in Gardena. He said that TPD and GPD both still refer all applications to LA County Sheriff's office. He was very open with discussion and basically told me it's damn near impossible.
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Well, if you talk to him again, ask him about Sheriff Villaneuva saying he'll issue more CCWs. Rumors have it that this will begin in fall 2019. My guess is he'll take LA Co to light red, maybe even yellow on the CA CCW GC map.
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Didn't Torrance have a city ordinance that effectively banned firearms? Saw a case where a woman was pulled over on her way to shooting range. Whole thing was a mess for the City, who later (and very obtusely) pulled the ordinance. I think it was Torrance.
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Almost a year. Anything new for Torrance?
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Torrance PD’s Disgraceful Policy
Torrance PD has issued CCWs, but also forces applicants to apply, pay fees and get live scanned just to offer a denial to well qualified applicants. Those applicants took their denial and believe it or not, went to LA Sheriff and got a CCW. Torrance PD now has the policy LASD used to have. They should be responsible, clearly state a non-issuance policy and allow them to go elsewhere, rather than demand a waste of time and fees just for a denial.
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