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As you can see from my post at:
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Here's the current SO CCW GC requirement. Hopefully, it will significantly change sometime after Mark Essick becomes sheriff on Jan 07.
I've bolded the parts (a) and (b) either of those are the hurdles most law-abiding applicants will have to pass. Quote:
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Hey, they voted him in. They wanted this kind of bull****.
until someone is willing to go to court.....nothing will change. Liberalism.
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My post #643 was of the current sheriff's GC policy, not Essick's -- he doesn't take office until tomorrow. My post #645 re. the Sonoma Co SO not issuing CCWs to residents of those cities was, again, the current sheriff's policy, not Essick's. I was pointing out Sonoma Co folk need to find out if he'll rescind those MOUs and issue to all county residents, whether in or out of cities.
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Paladin, it is important to remind people that there is another prong here that the Sheriff considers besides good cause. If you are too much of a risk factor, your good cause will not be good enough. For someone to have the best chances at getting approved they need to establish why they wouldn't be a risk. This is extremely hard to prove but may be a little easier now that people have RAW's. If the government trusts you to possess an otherwise illegal assault weapon, why couldn't they trust you to carry a handgun. it seems like a dumb point to make but with gov agencies its always a CYA mentality. They will need things to point to that allows them to have deniability. alls they care about is keeping their job and not getting sued. Failing to proactivly establish you are not a risk and leaving that part to the sheriffs imagination will not win you any points and will probably work against you.
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But I believe that CCW policy quote above is from the previous sheriff. I'd guess Essick's new policy will be up in the next few weeks. LIke it or not, CCWs are usually a low priority for sheriffs. Dealing with unions, jails, BoS politicians, "community leaders" (rabble rousers), and lawsuits take priority.
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IMO, bring up RAWs is a not a good move, or even a neutral move, it is a bad move. Look at the voter registration stats for Marin, Sonoma and Napa counties -- all Dem strongholds. Just because there a large portions that are "country" does not make them conservative or pro-gun. Even mentioning RAWs puts you, IMO, in the "gun nut" category. A far better move is to read the advice I compiled for applying for a CoCoCo SO CCW and use that, pattern yourself after that. I go over Good Moral Character (GMC) which determines the level of risk you're likely to be if granted a CCW. Here's the link to it: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1482924
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Hard to tell for sure what the sheriffs reaction would be with regards to RAWs but it is beyond the point I was trying to make. The sheriff also wants to know you are not a risk. You can’t not address that portion of the their requirements that I highlighted in my previous points.
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But, of course, do what you want and let us know how it goes.
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No idea. Call/email/FB them. Ask for CCW person. Ask them and let us know.
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Almost 3 weeks later and it looks like the old CCW policy is still on the website: https://www.sonomasheriff.org/ccw
From the below Jan 10th article, it sounds like the Sheriff won't issue to city residents. Since Essick was sworn in on the 9th (at least the formal ceremony), not sure if they interviewed him. Quote:
There's no mention of CCWs, much less liberalization of GC, in this long interview from today: http://www.sonomawest.com/cloverdale...76f6da52b.html
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(1) Either way, it's a good reminder to find out if Essick will continue the policy of not issuing to residents of most/all cities. IIRC, that's about 1/2 of the county's population. (2) But I really find it interesting how, in the long interview article, he claims he wouldn't have won without the support of the LBGT community in Sonoma Co. Yet does not even mention CCWs despite him saying in one of the videos from the campaign, which I embedded previously, that CCW reform was the #1 thing residents were asking him about. No mention of when/how he'll improve CCW issuance. That's two things for Sonoma Co CGNers to find out.
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From the sheriffs office themselves
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Now the only question is, when Essick will post a liberalized GC policy on the SO's CCW webpage? Otherwise, your posts just means he'll be denying applicants from all Sonoma Co residents.... As of 5 minutes ago, the SO's CCW webpage still has the old (and current?) restrictive GC policy posted where the vast majority of us would have to pass either (a) or (b). (bolding added) Quote:
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Why do I think Essick is keeping his word? Until someone gives me reason to doubt their word, I believe it. But in this case there's even a more important reason: the old policy was to not issue to city residents. As CGNers have posted above, Essick has changed that CCW policy. It very well may be Essick is also, right now, using a different, more liberal GC policy, but the IT folk just haven't gotten around to updating the website. Everyone: All it takes to find out is for one of you Sonoma CGNers to call/email the SO's CCW unit and ask to find out and then let the rest of us know what they say. No, I don't even live in Sonoma Co. Time for them to pull their own weight. ETA: until we see both a new, liberal GC policy posted on the Sonoma Co SO's CCW webpage and longtime CGNers in Sonoma Co post that they've now been issued CCWs, Sonoma Co's "light green" is probationary. If both of those things don't occur by 2019 July 01, baggss and I will have a discussion re. what color does most accurately reflect what intel we do have on Sonoma Co.
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This is where people chime in and say, " I went down today and applied and paid my $105. fee! Nobody has applied until they fill out the form and pay the fee. Most people want others to do the heavy lifting.
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I didn’t want to be that guy but the people you have been bouncing snarky remarks with back and forth may seem like they are not pulling their own weight because they either already have their ccw or are in law enforcement.
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Thanks. I'll edit it.
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I've made the offer several times before, and it stands now. If there is anyone who truly can not afford the fee to apply, and otherwise would, I will help them out. |
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You an ex-con?
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Doesn't matter. EVERYONE should be for CCWs, except current BGs. Even if you never plan on carrying, you should be for it since the BGs won't know if you are carrying or not. It makes us ALL safer....
As Heinlein wrote, "An armed society is a polite society."
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I've been CONvinced of many things, sir.
Haha, I'm somewhat surprised that has never popped up as an issue since then, as I'm sure it is still stored in their system in some way. |
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I thought it was technically self defense? Those chryptid hunters were looking to make themselves famous for finally getting Sasquatch... but the squatch got them first.
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I am the guinea pig. Filled out the online app today and paid the app fee and live scan fee. 8 year Petaluma resident and I previously held a license in El Dorado County from 2005-2009 before I moved to Petaluma. Hopefully there is a new mindset for approvals.
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Also, let us know the various fees paid along the way and if the staff were helpful/friendly/encouraging or unhelpful/unfriendly/discouraging. Wish you the best!
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I spoke with the LT in charge over the phone. He confirmed the good cause requirement will be significantly lower but would not confirm that simple self defense is sufficient. He seems to imply that some sort of articulate good cause would still be required.
He said they are attending a sheriffs conference this coming Wednesday dedicated to discussing ccw issuance and will update their website after the conference to decide how they want to deal with applications
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I wonder if I meet the req the good cause because I deposit between 3k and 4k in the bank for work three times a week using my own vehicle.
I also camp and hunt solo which has in the past resulted in me waking up getting kicked in the head by a tweaker (Spyder knows the story). Third I do photography/video for educational/art purposes and have at least 1k in gear with me which it would be reasonable to assume would make certain people want to rob me. What do you guys think?
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Like this.. “Do you have deposit slips proving the amounts and frequency?” “Is it always all cash?” “How would anyone know you are carrying that amount of money?” “When do you carry the cash from the business to the bank? Does it all happen during daylight or do you take the cash home after business hours only to be able to deposit it the following morning? Do you have documentation proving that?” “Why don’t you use an armored carrier service like banks and other businesses use?” “While hunting, what is the specific need to have the firearm concealed?” “When carrying this expensive equipment, which areas do you go to that law enforcement isn’t already somewhere close by or during hours or locations that are more prone to being in a bad situation?” “How do we know you won’t create a substantial risk to the public or to law enforcement officials if allowed to carry a concealed firearm?” They would also look at your traffic record for the last 5 years and see if you are a responsible driver. In my younger days when I first applied I was told “if we can’t trust you to obey traffic laws, how can we trust that you will make the right decision when carrying a firearm?” Of course, all that has changed now but it still may be helpful For you to think about
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