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Old 09-12-2018, 7:38 AM
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CA's CCW is only valid when carrying the guns listed on the permit.

When traveling to another state that does not list guns on permits, do those restrictions still apply? (I'm guessing that from a LEO perspective they wouldn't, but it could be a problem in court if you had to use it?)

(A non-resident permit like Florida that doesn't list guns and is recognized is obviously a good workaround, just curious.)
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My $0.02..in other states (freedom states) as long as you have a state permit or reciprocity then your GTG, as other states do not really give a crap about listed weapon on your permit like CA

Now I could be wrong, & will be call on it if I am.
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I think that if a state that accepts a LTC from Ca. only the guns listed on the permit are good. However if I were to use a Utah ccw in a state that accepts it, I could use any hand gun that I legally possess. I.E. I take a trip to Va and my brother hands me one of his had guns to borrow while I am in his state. If I have a Utah ccw I am legal to carry that gun in Va.
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Since it's nearly impossible to make heads/tails of CA's ridiculous laws (and how other states might interpret them), get an AZ non-resident CCW and carry what you want.
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IIRC, that's up to the state where you are at the time. Some seem to say 'your out of state permit is good if you follow all your state's rules, and our state's rules.'
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The permit says it is only valid with the listed guns. I wouldn’t test it. If you are in a constitutional carry state, you don’t need a permit to carry so you are good to go.

I would (and have) get another permit like AZ if you want to carry an unlisted gun out of state. An AZ permit is like $60/5 yrs and you get it by mail if you have CA CCW already.
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The permit says it is only valid with the listed guns. I wouldnít test it. If you are in a constitutional carry state, you donít need a permit to carry so you are good to go.

I would (and have) get another permit like AZ if you want to carry an unlisted gun out of state. An AZ permit is like $60/5 yrs and you get it by mail if you have CA CCW already.
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If you are in a constitutional carry state, you donít need a permit to carry so you are good to go.

Depends on the state - some are constitutional carry for residents only.
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Depends on the state - some are constitutional carry for residents only.
And probably every one of those states recognize AZ's permit so why not pay the lousy $60 and put your mind at ease?
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If you ever travel to the south get a FL licence. It's 102 for 7 years. They do require training but if you already have you CA ccw then you've already done the training. The only difference between the AZ and FL permit is you also get FL. All the other states are the same.
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The only state ive really looked at is Tennessee. Their statute says an OOS permittee must carry in compliance with their own stste laws and Tennessees laws.
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For when I travel back to the motherland of Detroit to visit my family still there, I know for a fact that Michigan will only honor any other states "Resident" Concealed Carry License. Any other states 'Non-Resident' CCW/ CHL license is not recognized in Michigan according to the Michigan State Police.

Plus when in Michigan you have to follow the terms of your State Resident CCW/ CHL License issuing agency, and any conditions on it... So with my California License To Carry A Concealed Firearm, while in Michigan I am limited to the three weapons that are listed on it.
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I honestly think most free states donít care what you carry. Itís more on the matter of work restrictions. If CA issued you a work-related permit, you canít carry in their state. Unless the LEO knows every recognized statesí CCW laws, heís not going to blink twice about you carrying a listed versus non-listed gun.
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The permit says it is only valid with the listed guns. I wouldnít test it. If you are in a constitutional carry state, you donít need a permit to carry so you are good to go.

I would (and have) get another permit like AZ if you want to carry an unlisted gun out of state. An AZ permit is like $60/5 yrs and you get it by mail if you have CA CCW already.
My feeling as well.


Also be aware of restrictions in other states.
Example: New Mexico, like CA, lists permitted guns. They don't recognize CA, but do recognize AZ and other states that do not list. HOWEVER... New Mexico does not permit the concealed carry of more than one gun.
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so how would a californian with a ccw here get florida? do training in FL or exempt since california permit already... need a hand here.

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If you ever travel to the south get a FL licence. It's 102 for 7 years. They do require training but if you already have you CA ccw then you've already done the training. The only difference between the AZ and FL permit is you also get FL. All the other states are the same.
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so how would a californian with a ccw here get florida? do training in FL or exempt since california permit already... need a hand here.
DD214 if they were in the military, or any NRA class with a certificate signed by the instructor.
Unlike AZ, they do not accept a copy of your CA CCW as evidence of training.
If your CCW instructor for California is also an NRA instructor, you MAY be able to get a cert from him, otherwise, take Basic Pistol.
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so how would a californian with a ccw here get florida? do training in FL or exempt since california permit already... need a hand here.
My CA CCW instructor is a nra licensed instructor. He offers multi state classes FL, AZ & UT. For a 20 or 30 dollars we went over other state laws and he gave me a copy of his instructor license, took passport photos and rolled prints. So in one 12 hour day I had almost everything needed for 4 CCWs. You'll have to get fingerprint cards from FL and they HAVE to be rolled by a LE agency.

I had my CA CCW before I applied out of state and included a copy of it with my applications. This wasn't really necessary because no one has reciprocity with CA but I figured it would only help my application.

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I've never understood the desire to carry different firearms that is not one of those listed on your permit when traveling to other states. Is transporting your EDC gun the issue?

I will admit I have 3 guns on my permit, but I carry my main pistol all the time. I practice with that often. I have a second pistol on there as a backup and I practice with that as well but its not carried unless my EDC is down (yet to happen). The third gun is a camp/hike GP100 as I am worried about large predators rather than people. That gets some practice.

Other than those reasons, I don't understand the desire to carry some strange gun that you are not familiar with at all.
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I can carry darn near anything I want with mine. Ours don't list anything at all, just says were approved to carry.
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I've never understood the desire to carry different firearms that is not one of those listed on your permit when traveling to other states. Is transporting your EDC gun the issue?

I will admit I have 3 guns on my permit, but I carry my main pistol all the time. I practice with that often. I have a second pistol on there as a backup and I practice with that as well but its not carried unless my EDC is down (yet to happen). The third gun is a camp/hike GP100 as I am worried about large predators rather than people. That gets some practice.

Other than those reasons, I don't understand the desire to carry some strange gun that you are not familiar with at all.


Does the 1A grant you freedom of speech but you canít use profanity? Does the 2A grant you the right to bear only three arms? I agree that you should familiarize yourself with the weapons you carry. That doesnít mean we canít have options. I like to carry my AR pistol in a backpack on my passenger seat when I go on long road trips. I donít have a CA permit but if I did I wouldnít be able to put my AR pistol on it.
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I strongly recommend getting the Utah, Florida, and Arizona permits in addition to your California permit. All 3 are fairly cheap and easy to obtain.

You would be able to carry in 37 states with these permits. Arizona does not actually add any states if you have the other two, but it is good to have as reciprocity/recognition is subject to change with little to no notice.

However, this scenario could still be an issue in Michigan. Michigan accepts every state's permit as long as you are a resident of the state that issued the permit. This means your California permit lets you carry in Michigan, but none of the other permits will work there. My recommendation in Michigan would be to follow the rules of your California permit in addition to the laws of the state of Michigan (whatever is stricter).

As many people have said, be careful with constitutional carry. Some states (Idaho, North Dakota, Wyoming) require you to be a resident. Others have restrictions on how you can carry. For example, Mississippi requires the gun be in a bag (or similar), or in a belt or shoulder holster. This means ankle holsters are not allowed in Mississippi without a permit. There are also more restrictions on where you can carry, etc.

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Absolutely.
And laws change all the time.
Prior to any road trip, I always double check the Android apps "CCW", "Legal Heat", and "Concealed Carry Laws"
Some times the apps are in conflict. I've found that sometimes they give a guidance that is based on permitless carry, but the apps all provide references to the individual state laws so you can go directly to the "horse's mouth" to clarify anything that is confusing.
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Absolutely.
And laws change all the time.
Prior to any road trip, I always double check the Android apps "CCW", "Legal Heat", and "Concealed Carry Laws"
Some times the apps are in conflict. I've found that sometimes they give a guidance that is based on permitless carry, but the apps all provide references to the individual state laws so you can go directly to the "horse's mouth" to clarify anything that is confusing.
Absolutely! The apps are all good, but they are not always 100% accurate since laws change. They are a good starting point, but I always suggest checking directly with the state. When Pennsylvania stopped accepting the NH permit, the fastest app/site I saw make the change was usacarry.com and they took about 2 weeks!

One thing I do not suggest is contacting a law enforcement agency. I was a police officer for nine years and am not bashing cops at all, but not all cops know gun laws that well. When I was 21 and new to California, I called CHP to find out how to transport my handgun. I was told to unload it and lock it in the glovebox. As you likely know, that is actually illegal (without a CCW).
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I asked a Sheriff in Kentucky and he said he didn’t care. TN HCP class this year said follow the rules of the issuing State, but suspect they wouldn’t fuss over it. Carry is pretty easygoing here.
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I asked a Sheriff in Kentucky and he said he didnít care. TN HCP class this year said follow the rules of the issuing State, but suspect they wouldnít fuss over it. Carry is pretty easygoing here.
I think the OP recognizes that, but is more worried about if something happens.
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For when I travel back to the motherland of Detroit to visit my family still there, I know for a fact that Michigan will only honor any other states "Resident" Concealed Carry License. Any other states 'Non-Resident' CCW/ CHL license is not recognized in Michigan according to the Michigan State Police.

Plus when in Michigan you have to follow the terms of your State Resident CCW/ CHL License issuing agency, and any conditions on it... So with my California License To Carry A Concealed Firearm, while in Michigan I am limited to the three weapons that are listed on it.
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I strongly recommend getting the Utah, Florida, and Arizona permits in addition to your California permit. All 3 are fairly cheap and easy to obtain.

You would be able to carry in 37 states with these permits. Arizona does not actually add any states if you have the other two, but it is good to have as reciprocity/recognition is subject to change with little to no notice.

However, this scenario could still be an issue in Michigan. Michigan accepts every state's permit as long as you are a resident of the state that issued the permit. This means your California permit lets you carry in Michigan, but none of the other permits will work there. My recommendation in Michigan would be to follow the rules of your California permit in addition to the laws of the state of Michigan (whatever is stricter).

As many people have said, be careful with constitutional carry. Some states (Idaho, North Dakota, Wyoming) require you to be a resident. Others have restrictions on how you can carry. For example, Mississippi requires the gun be in a bag (or similar), or in a belt or shoulder holster. This means ankle holsters are not allowed in Mississippi without a permit. There are also more restrictions on where you can carry, etc.

Reciprocity, Recognition, and laws can be extremely confusing. If you ever have questions, feel free to contact me.
As I posted above in #12 in this thread about Michigan - I have to go with the three weapon limit on my California 'Resident' License To Carry A Concealed Firearm while CCWing in Michigan.

Michigan has no limitations on any handguns for their "Concealed Pistol License".

https://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,...0926--,00.html

Plus there are no limitations on the number or types of pistols or revolver firearms allowed on my Oregon Non-Resident Concealed Handgun License either....
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As I posted above in #12 in this thread about Michigan - I have to go with the three weapon limit on my California 'Resident' License To Carry A Concealed Firearm while CCWing in Michigan.

Michigan has no limitations on any handguns for their "Concealed Pistol License".

https://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,...0926--,00.html

Plus there are no limitations on the number or types of pistols or revolver firearms allowed on my Oregon Non-Resident Concealed Handgun License either....
Sorry, I did not see your original post about Michigan...or Humboldt Leatherneck's! I failed today haha
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