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Old 11-13-2018, 7:53 AM
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To prohibit the sale, acquisition, distribution in commerce, or import into the United States of certain firearm receiver castings or blanks, assault weapon parts kits, and machinegun parts kits and the marketing or advertising of such castings or blanks and kits on any medium of electronic communications, to require homemade firearms to have serial numbers, and for other purposes.

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Old 11-13-2018, 10:29 AM
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Sponsored by a New Jersey democrat. Nothing to be concerned about. What part of "We have the Senate and the Presidency" don't they understand?
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Old 11-13-2018, 10:30 AM
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That would make even buying a buffer spring illegal....
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115th congress. It's in sub-committee, so it will be dead in January. Although likely to be re-introduced now that dems hold the House.
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Default HR 7115: Emboldened by mid-term election win, Demon-rats want to ban gun parts kits

Democrats Introduce Bill Banning Sales and Advertisements for Gun Parts Kits
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...un-parts-kits/

To think here on Calguns there are still lots of imbeciles who vote Democrat...
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To think here on Calguns there are still lots of imbeciles who vote Democrat...
They won't need guns once the Democrats run everything. Itll be a wonderful utopia where unicorns run freely and everyone holds hands singing kumbaya. This will usher in world peace and doves will crap Hershey kisses.

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https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...5%22%5D%7D&r=1

And, since they introduced it in this Congress, the 115th, it's dead.

Doesn't mean it won't be introduced again next Congress.
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Now that Ds will have the house I hope they go full retard and introduce a ton of anti gun legislation. That should help to once again galvanize and hopefully grow the ranks of the NRA membership to be ready for the 2020 election.


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Now that Ds will have the house I hope they go full retard and introduce a ton of anti gun legislation. That should help to once again galvanize and hopefully grow the ranks of the NRA membership to be ready for the 2020 election.
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Now that Ds will have the house I hope they go full retard and introduce a ton of anti gun legislation. That should help to once again galvanize and hopefully grow the ranks of the NRA membership to be ready for the 2020 election.


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They can rename it the "domestic firearms requirement act". That way it will ban cheap Chi-com AR parts from the country.
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And in the typical politician manner, the bill goes way farther than the name suggests.

Name: 3D Firearms Prohibitions Act

Actual text: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-.../7115/text?r=1

Anything from prohibition on blanks and parts to registration.


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Oh, and check this out:

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(4) the term “semiautomatic assault weapon” means—
(A) a semiautomatic rifle or semiautomatic shotgun that has the capacity to accept a detachable ammunition feeding device; or
(B) a semiautomatic pistol that has—
(i) the capacity to accept a detachable ammunition feeding device; and
(ii) any one of the features described in subsection (b);
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(b) Special features of a semiautomatic pistol.—The special features described in subsection (a)(3)(B)(ii) are—
(1) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(2) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
(3) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
(4) a second hand grip;
(5) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and
(6) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.
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This is ridiculous, but we knew it was coming.
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"a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm"

So this covers just about every semi automatic rifle that is popular today. Even Mini's had a F/A version.

Cant we just be left the hell alone. Over this nonstop "on the defensive" bull****.
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(B) a semiautomatic pistol that has—
(i) the capacity to accept a detachable ammunition feeding device; and
(ii) any one of the features described in subsection (b);
Ruger 10/22 = "semiautomatic assault weapon"
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Buckle up boys. Bumpy roads ahead.
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Where does that leave bar stock: https://www.80percentarms.com/produc...lower-receiver

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Not going to happen on a national level, but it very well my happen in CA.
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Next thing you know all machinists and engineers will required be banned.
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Where does that leave bar stock
They use the term "unfinished receiver" without defining it.
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A [..] firearm receiver blank [..] that [...] at the point of sale does not meet the definition of a firearm [..] and [..] after purchase by a consumer, can be completed by the consumer [..]
So... strictly speaking, that would include 0% billets
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They won't need guns once the Democrats run everything. Itll be a wonderful utopia where unicorns run freely and everyone holds hands singing kumbaya. This will usher in world peace and doves will crap Hershey kisses.

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schadenfreude pants

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I still don't understand how serial numbers protect any one. Further if someone has the ability to put serial number on something they must also have the ability to put the wrong one.

We ned some real stats on how often "tracing the gun" as dick wolf's shows like to say actually have any bearing on a real investigation.
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It’s easy to insult me on a forum. Why don’t you expand on what exactly do you disagree with?


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They use the term "unfinished receiver" without defining it.

So... strictly speaking, that would include 0% billets
And the stock those billets were cut from, and the recycled cans they were smelted from ....
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And shovels
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Old 11-15-2018, 8:39 AM
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I stocked up on milsurp Chinese AK and SKS parts and parts kits in the 80s and 90s before those permanent import bans.

Additional bans are certainly likely.

I am not convinced the Senate Republicans will unanimously vote against nation wide gun control. It's near top of the Democrats bucket list and a very emotional topic.

10 Republicans voted yea on the 1994 ban final amendment by D Feinstein.
A similar emotional time after the Stockton school AK killings and other mass shootings.

November 1993 Roll Call:

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...n=1&vote=00375

I listened to the roll call in my car. It was widely broadcast live because of the huge interest. . I could not believe so many Republicans would help vote it into law. Again, another emotional time.
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Home Depot and Lowe's will have a 10 day wait to buy shovels.

Apparently you can make an AK-47 out of just about anything (25 Photos)
http://thechive.com/2012/12/06/appar...ing-25-photos/
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The Democrats hold the house, even given the lunacy of Waters and her ilk, and the ranks of the NRA are static. Right now is when we should be seeing a bump, but it's not happening. Even on this very forum we get clowns refusing to join due to their inability to make a simple phone call and get removed from a mailing list. Some even voted FOR the Democrats.
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Home Depot and Lowe's will have a 10 day wait to buy shovels.

Apparently you can make an AK-47 out of just about anything (25 Photos)
http://thechive.com/2012/12/06/appar...ing-25-photos/
That finished rifle looks like it's straight out of Fallout
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What about the guy that forged an ar lower out of beer cans? are recycling bins going to be locked down ?
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What about the guy that forged an ar lower out of beer cans? are recycling bins going to be locked down ?
Maybe the homeless dudes with the bags of cans can be arrested finally.
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They use the term "unfinished receiver" without defining it.

So... strictly speaking, that would include 0% billets
and 3D printer filament.
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DONT WORRY GUYS! EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE OK IF WE GIVE UP BUMPSTOCKS! MAYBE WE CAN GET NATIONAL RECIPROCITY IN EXCHANGE!
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Ban humans. It’s the only way.
Some of the idiots in this state would vote for that.
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It won’t pass the house where they have a micro-majority.

Even if it did, it sure as hell wouldn’t pass the senate.

If, in some alternate dimension, it did, Trump wouldn’t sign it.

If, in that same alternate dimension, he did, SCOTUS would take up that case or another & strike it down.
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