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Old 07-16-2018, 6:14 AM
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Exclamation There is a woman running for governor in...

pro-gun Idaho who might be jumping on the "Guns Are Evil" bandwagon:

https://www.jordanforgovernor.com/st...ional-walkout/


I sent her an email with the following message:

Dear Candidate for Governor Jordan:


Idaho does not need MORE gun restrictions!!

https://www.jordanforgovernor.com/st...ional-walkout/

Idaho is an inherently low violent crime state already yet the state law is lax on concealed carry in public as it should be. That would-be criminals must guess as to who might be carrying on our state's cities' streets is what deters them in the first place.

Guns are not bad. Guns do not make the world horrible. They are mindless and soul-less pieces of steel with no free will. Human misdeeds are bad. Strict laws and penalties tough on violent crime is what ultimately deters violence along with aggressively supporting the people's right to carry and own guns for lawful self-protection. As far as the mentally-ill's doing bad things goes, we need a more advanced mental health care system to address the problem. The solution is not, and has never been, disarming people at large.

Yes, I favor Medicaid expansion in Idaho as a low-income disabled American Vet and I must say that immediate access to firearms is often the only equalizer for disabled and elderly persons when threatened with deadly violence as the police cannot practically guard good citizens at all times. The inalienable right to be armed for self-defense is not a color, gender, political, religious, ethnic, cultural, social-economic or race thing: it is a natural universal human thing.

I do indeed favor teachers and principals who are armed in the schools and who have received proper training and qualifications. It would be prohibitively expensive to hire armed guards or extra police officers for this purpose of protecting school children in class. Knowing that any trained and responsible school faculty member could have access to a gun at anytime seems the ultimate deterrent to school violence. Dangerous armed criminals are indeed attracted to "no gun zones" like a magnet. Teachers and principals are still human and have the inalienable right to self-defense no less than do any other vocations in our society.

How does a mother lioness or a black bear sow in nature protect her cubs from their enemies? Her sharp teeth and claws. Human teachers need sharp teeth and claws to protect innocent babies in school too in the form of gunpowder and steel.


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Donald Babbett

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Apparently, Idaho public schools are now infected with this illogical anti-gun frenzy they are indoctrinating into young minds. How can this even happen in a RED pro-gun state?

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great letter, hope it helps

What does a mass shooting in Florida or New York have to do with the state of Idaho anyway? What are Idaho school children even squawking about to begin with?

As far as I know there has never been a mass shooting or school shooting in Idaho history or even one act of terror. I think pro-gun policy here has much to do with it. A murder or even a mugging is rather rare here.
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I don't believe she has a chance. They're pretty conservative in Idaho and love the 2A. A lot.
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I don't believe she has a chance. They're pretty conservative in Idaho and love the 2A. A lot.
If a Demo is to even have an ice-cube's chance in damnation of getting to warm the Gov. seat here, this person had better steer clear of the "gun violence" or "guns are bad" issue like the plague. As a matter of fact, this candidate had better wear an NRA LIFE MEMBER button at campaign stops. I would wear a GUN OWNERS OF AMERICA badge, no, make that a Gun Owners of America HAT. Trump was good at getting elected by wearing a hat.

Guns aren't violent: humans are.

The pro-Medicaid initiative on this coming November ballot here would get support from both GOP and Demo voters since there are a lot of low income people in Idaho. Voters, even low-income voters, might not be willing compromise their guns for good health though.

Even without this woman at the governor mansion, I think the voters can get Medicaid Expansion through here still on election day. Governor Otter can't "veto" an initiative that voters pass anyway.

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I don't believe she has a chance. They're pretty conservative in Idaho and love the 2A. A lot.
She has NO chance of winning the governor's seat in the state of Idaho...period.
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She has NO chance of winning the governor's seat in the state of Idaho...period.
I believe you to be correct.
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She's got a nice website but there a word that does not show up on it: Democrat. She's actively hiding her affiliation. No chance whatsoever.
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Remember all those polls about Trump? Never let down your guard - eternal vigilance.
It's not let down here nor in the legislature...a proposed bill may get a hearing in committee, and that's a big "maybe". If it gets that far, there will be far more voters testifying against it than for it. Usually, a sit-down with the bill's sponsor(s) and the Pro Tem and / or Speaker of the House takes care of business on RKBA stuff.

Beyond that and a little OT, Idaho's Constitution guarantees the state will not impose laws above and beyond federal laws related to RKBA, with 3 exceptions...

Cities are allowed to limit firearm discharge within city limits. Excluded are HD / SD actions. Sheriffs are allowed to issue CWL's. And state laws are allowed related to the use of a weapon in a crime. Normally the book is thrown by the state and when the actor is released he's greeted by U.S. marshals and gets to go to federal court..

Polls on Trump and FHRC in Idaho were not surprising to Idahoans.


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She's got a nice website but there a word that does not show up on it: Democrat. She's actively hiding her affiliation. No chance whatsoever.
Good catch, she's definitely Demo.

Her website is one of a very few I've seen that doesn't show the candidate holding a firearm...at the very least an O/U. Demo's have not seemed to have an issue with holding a gun, at least so far.
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Yes, I favor Medicaid expansion in Idaho

Disagree but OT for here.

I do indeed favor teachers and principals who are armed in the schools and who have received proper training and qualifications.

Garden City is a great example, plus bunches of schools we don't even know about.

Knowing that any trained and responsible school faculty member could have access to a gun at anytime seems the ultimate deterrent to school violence. Dangerous armed criminals are indeed attracted to "no gun zones" like a magnet.

Wife works for a Senator when the legislature is in session...probably one of the safest jobs in the area. No issue with CC in the capitol and more legislators and support staff carry than you can imagine. There's also a state trooper outside the door to the office suites.

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She is Native American. Since the tribes in the NW are big on conservation, hunting, fishing, tourism, she will probably be more of a Fudd than an outright banner. Kinda rootin' for her as an underdog candidate, but disappointed to see the gun control stuff. Brad Little seemed a better candidate than the other Repubs that ran in the primary, but they all had some lame misleading advertising that kinda bugged me.

I noticed too that one Assoc. Press reporter said she wants "better" gun control. Whatever that means.

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She is Native American. Since the tribes in the NW are big on conservation, hunting, fishing, tourism, she will probably be more of a Fudd than an outright banner. Kinda rootin' for her as an underdog candidate, but disappointed to see the gun control stuff. Brad Little seemed a better candidate than the other Repubs that ran in the primary, but they all had some lame misleading advertising that kinda bugged me.

I noticed too that one Assoc. Press reporter said she wants "better" gun control. Whatever that means.
I think "better" equates with "reasonable, common sense..."; and it definitely appeals to her followers.
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She's actively hiding her affiliation.
That would describe half of candidates in the Redoubt.

The Libertarian, Constitutionalist, Democrat, Assembly, and probably the Green Party all run as Republicans.

She does say Democrat on at least one the web sites pages.
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What does a mass shooting in Florida or New York have to do with the state of Idaho anyway? What are Idaho school children even squawking about to begin with?

As far as I know there has never been a mass shooting or school shooting in Idaho history or even one act of terror. I think pro-gun policy here has much to do with it. A murder or even a mugging is rather rare here.
We should pay attention to how she is presenting herself. It's the usual slippery affair such politicians are known for.

I didn't see she doesn't identify herself as a Democrat. Although her positions make it fairly clear. Perhaps I missed it but if it's in there it's not prominent. She doesn't have a stated position on gun control - a deliberate "oversight" no doubt. The best thing folks can do is get her out in the open and on the record.
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She has NO chance of winning the governor's seat in the state of Idaho...period.
Long way until November.

A republican lost in an Alabama Senate race and completely screwed us. YES, Alabama. Alabama is far more red than Idaho ever considered being.

All it takes is a nasty October surprise and then..... damnation!

We should always be careful with categorical statements like "No chance", but you are right, her chances are pretty darn slim.
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Long way until November.

A republican lost in an Alabama Senate race and completely screwed us. YES, Alabama. Alabama is far more red than Idaho ever considered being.

All it takes is a nasty October surprise and then..... damnation!

We should always be careful with categorical statements like "No chance", but you are right, her chances are pretty darn slim.
Maybe Alabama is far more red than Idaho, but Idaho is definitely far more LDS.

ETA...As I posted earlier, Idaho's Constitution guarantees RKBA without any mention of reasonable, common sense gun laws.
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Maybe Alabama is far more red than Idaho, but Idaho is definitely far more LDS.

ETA...As I posted earlier, Idaho's Constitution guarantees RKBA without any mention of reasonable, common sense gun laws.
Very good point there. But LDS candidates are not immune to scandal. I just hate to jinx it is all but if I were a betting man, I'd bet you're correct in your call.
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We should pay attention to how she is presenting herself. It's the usual slippery affair such politicians are known for.

I didn't see she doesn't identify herself as a Democrat. Although her positions make it fairly clear. Perhaps I missed it but if it's in there it's not prominent. She doesn't have a stated position on gun control - a deliberate "oversight" no doubt. The best thing folks can do is get her out in the open and on the record.
But anti-gun stuff is spouted on HER website and that tells me something.

If you see a Swastika on the signage of a car dealership, Jews are probably not welcome there.

That her website even hosts one anti-gun article leads me to believe she is no friend of gun rights.

This is one of those 'I don't know what to really make of her' candidates.

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She's got a nice website but there a word that does not show up on it: Democrat. She's actively hiding her affiliation. No chance whatsoever.
Very peculiar isn't it? Looking at her platform though is dem right down the line. Free everything and climate BS.

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She has NO chance of winning the governor's seat in the state of Idaho...period.
This would be the case. I voted in this last primary, and she doesn't have the numbers to beat the losing Republican candidate. And her platform is "fairness, inclusion, common sense gun laws, and moving forward " .
Typical progressive democratic gobilty speak.
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Expect a lot more of this now that the chick in NY had such success. Democrats have no imagination.
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Very good point there. But LDS candidates are not immune to scandal. I just hate to jinx it is all but if I were a betting man, I'd bet you're correct in your call.
No one is immune from scandal.

A few years ago, wife introduced me to Senator McGee at the Caldwell Night Rodeo. 3-4 days later, headlines indicated he got drunk and stole a car while drunk...posturing went back and forth for a while, but the end result that a very shiny rising star in the legislature was advised to resign, and that he did.
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No one is immune from scandal.

A few years ago, wife introduced me to Senator McGee at the Caldwell Night Rodeo. 3-4 days later, headlines indicated he got drunk and stole a car while drunk...posturing went back and forth for a while, but the end result that a very shiny rising star in the legislature was advised to resign, and that he did.
That's actually a good thing. He took responsibility. He can resurrect himself. All politicians can. And the fact that he stood up and admitted what happened and took his lumps makes him my kind of dude. I don't expect perfection, I expect high standards.
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That's actually a good thing. He took responsibility. He can resurrect himself. All politicians can. And the fact that he stood up and admitted what happened and took his lumps makes him my kind of dude. I don't expect perfection, I expect high standards.
He did stand up and took a shot, but only after a week (iirc) of denials...a bit Clinton-like.

You can probably google a bit on the Idaho Statesman and get a more complete story than I can remember.
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Alabama is far more red than Idaho ever considered being.
Not sure about that. Trump won 59.3 pct of the vote in Idaho while Clinton only won 27.5 pct. In Alabama Trump won 62.1 pct while Clinton won 34.4 pct.

The makeup of the state legislatures are as follows:

Alabama House - 71 republicans (68.26 pct), 32 democrats (30.76 pct) and 1 independent.

Alabama Senate - 26 republicans (74.28 pct), 8 democrats (22.86 pct) and 1 independent.

Idaho House - 59 republicans (84.29 pct), 11 democrats (15.71 pct).

Idaho Senate - 29 republicans (82.86 pct), 6 democrats (17.14 pct).

Jordan has received the endorsements of the usual "well informed" Hollywood crowd because she's the "right" type of female candidate. What's lost in this post is that some of the strongest political supporters of the Second Amendment in Idaho are women such as the republican candidate for Lt Governor, and legislators such as Christy Zito and Heather Scott. The pro gun rights march earlier this year in North Idaho had pretty much equal participation from both men and women.
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Look at the primary numbers. It would take a huge defection by Republicans or something really strange with voter turnout for Jordan to even come close.

She has no chance.

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Old 08-06-2018, 5:08 AM
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Ocasio-Cortez managed to unseat a long term Democrat by just running in an election very few people bothered to vote.
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Old 08-06-2018, 7:29 AM
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Ocasio-Cortez managed to unseat a long term Democrat by just running in an election very few people bothered to vote.
But that wasn't in a state or district where about 65% of the voters are registered Republicans.

This is Idaho, and as I said above it would require something very strange to happen for her to win.

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Old 08-06-2018, 8:39 AM
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Ocasio-Cortez managed to unseat a long term Democrat by just running in an election very few people bothered to vote.
As Cynrat explained above, Idaho lacks the number of long-term Democrats v. New York.

If you knew more about Idaho voters, you'd agree that the woman running for governor still remains having zero hope for election.
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IMO, it's not so much that she's a woman, but the fact that she comes from the far left. The fact that she has stated that AR-15s have no place in Idaho won't help her at the polls.

Idahoans have no problem electing conservative women. See Heather Scott, Priscilla Giddings or Shawn Keogh for example.

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Old 08-19-2018, 3:36 PM
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IMO, it's not so much that she's a woman, but the fact that she comes from the far left. The fact that she has stated that AR-15s have no place in Idaho won't help her at the polls.

Idahoans have no problem electing conservative women. See Heather Scott, Priscilla Giddings or Shawn Keogh for example.

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Dave, just saying that 15 years here indicates, at least to me, that Idaho may not be ready yet for a female governor.

No disagreement on elected conservative women...wife worked for Patty Ann Lodge (R-Canyon County) on the Senate Affairs Committee. Definitely conservative and married to a semi-retired federal judge. She's stopped more "reasonable, common-sense" gun laws than you can imagine.

ETA...Idaho law allows any elected official, from chairman of a city library board to the governor, to obtain a CWL at no cost, assuming a background check comes back OK.
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Dave, just saying that 15 years here indicates, at least to me, that Idaho may not be ready yet for a female governor.
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