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Old 04-29-2021, 5:31 PM
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Here it is guys, you can thank me later. I just want a pound or two of bison meat

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No criteria requiring the hunter be able to hike 6 miles a day bearing a 60 pound pack, and be able to hit a dinner plate 6 times at 200 yards. It was about 3 years ago that this hunt was being planed. The Indian tribes were involve with the hunt, the hunter wasn't getting any meat, and the Indians had dibs on everything, pelt, horns, bones. I trained for this hunting event, but it never came to fruition.
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How on earth did bison make their way into the park? They're plains animals, not desert dwellers.
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From what I understand the bison range on the North Rim, on a plateau which they have overgrown.

Here's the history:
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I wonder how much they want? A non-resident tag is $4,500 if I recall correctly. I stopped putting in after learning more about the hunt.
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Hike in
Hike out with 1,500-2,500 of everything

Normally on hunts you can leave a gut pile for the critters to eat.

Sounds like this hunt 100% is packed out.
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The Government will have machines and equipment to haul harvested animals out from the range, but no mechanical assistance is allowed during the hunt.
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I wonder how much they want? A non-resident tag is $4,500 if I recall correctly. I stopped putting in after learning more about the hunt.
I read about it the other day, and I believe there is no charge to participate, but you have to commit to being present all 5 days of the hunt/cull. As tony270 said, I believe that the tribes get dibs on most of the body parts. The press release did make it sound like they would send you home with some meat, but definitely not the whole animal.
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"Selected, skilled volunteers will be able to take up to a single bison including head, hide, and meat in exchange for removing the carcass from the field," said Arizona Game and Fish Commission Chairman Kurt Davis.
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Going to be one of the toughest “draws” ever. This is national news and there is no application fees. Everyone is going to be applying.
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"Selected, skilled volunteers will be able to take up to a single bison including head, hide, and meat in exchange for removing the carcass from the field," said Arizona Game and Fish Commission Chairman Kurt Davis.
Thanks for the clarification. I must have misread it. The ability to keep the head, cape, and meat make it much more enticing.
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I read about it the other day, and I believe there is no charge to participate, but you have to commit to being present all 5 days of the hunt/cull. As tony270 said, I believe that the tribes get dibs on most of the body parts. The press release did make it sound like they would send you home with some meat, but definitely not the whole animal.
I wonder how much of a hunt it'll be?

If I am just shooting a moo cow equivilant that does not seem worth it. If its actually difficult to kill maybe I'll put in.
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I wonder how much of a hunt it'll be?

If I am just shooting a moo cow equivilant that does not seem worth it. If its actually difficult to kill maybe I'll put in.
The same way bison have been hunted for ever and a day. Can you hump 60 pounds, 6 miles a day, and hit a 9 inch paper plate 6 times at 200 yards (I can)? Not a canned hunt.

I think physical requirements added another reason that caused the original cancelation. Hey, we have a lot of weak out of shape hunters.
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The same way bison have been hunted for ever and a day. Can you hump 60 pounds, 6 miles a day, and hit a 9 inch paper plate 6 times at 200 yards (I can)? Not a canned hunt.

I think physical requirements added another reason that caused the original cancelation. Hey, we have a lot of weak out of shape hunters.
That's a good way to put it. Honestly, those requirements are not that bad. After packing elk in Idaho for myself and friends it makes the other states look pretty easy.
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Many changes from the original lethal removal (this time it is not defined as a hunt). And it doesn't look like mechanical removal will be authorized, WTF. Bet it won't happen, more BS and Chiefs than originally.

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Management of North Rim Bison

Beginning September 2021, Grand Canyon National Park will begin a pilot lethal removal program of bison on the North Rim.

Why is Grand Canyon National Park authorizing the removal of bison on the North Rim?
On September 1, 2017, the NPS issued a Finding of No Significant Impact (FONSI) to reduce the number of bison on the North Rim of the Grand Canyon National Park (GCNP) from around 600 bison to less than 200 bison using lethal removal with skilled volunteers and non-lethal capture and live removal. This action is necessary due to the rapid growth of the bison population and the transition from the herd using state and U.S. Forest Service lands into almost exclusively residing within Grand Canyon. Impacts from grazing and trampling on water, vegetation, soils, and archaeological sites, as well as on visitor experience and wilderness character also necessitate action.

What authorities does the National Park Service have to authorize a lethal removal?
The National Park Service has authority to manage wildlife populations and habitats on lands under its jurisdiction under the NPS Organic Act and other authorities (54 USC 100101). The Secretary of the Interior maintains discretion to “provide for the destruction of such animals and plant life as may be detrimental to the use of any System unit (54 USC 100752).” Senate Bill 47 signed in Public Law in 2019 specifically authorizes the National Park Service to use qualified volunteers to reduce the size of a wildlife population (Public Law No.116-9).

What is the difference between lethal removal and a hunt?
Lethal removal is a fundamentally different activity than hunting. Key differences include: (a) During lethal removal, the animals are destroyed primarily for management purposes; in hunting the animal is destroyed for recreational purposes. (b) Lethal removal is conducted under controlled circumstances under the direction and supervision of the National Park Service; hunting is performed at the hunter’s discretion and with elements of “fair chase” present. (c) Lethal removal does not allow the person who killed the animal to keep the entire animal; hunting does. (d) Conclusion: Simply put, lethal removal serves a public purpose, while hunting serves both public and private purposes.


Were Traditionally Associated Tribes consulted during the public scoping process? Do Tribes support lethal removal?
The Park has been in ongoing consultation with tribes traditionally associated with the Grand Canyon since the earliest stages of environmental analysis. Many tribes have requested the opportunity to partner on the management of bison at Grand Canyon National Park, including conducting joint lethal removal operations of bison to reduce herd sizes. Bison are an important cultural and traditional use resource to many tribes, and tribal partners have requested access to bison meat, hides and animal parts for traditional purposes.

When and how will tribal members participate in lethal removal activities?
Grand Canyon National Park is developing an agreement with the eleven traditionally associated tribes to conduct joint lethal removal operations of bison within the Park. We anticipate these joint removal operations will begin in the fall of 2022. Bison removed through these operations will be transferred to participating tribes for distribution to tribal members for traditional purposes. Individual tribal members from associated tribes can also participate in State of Arizona’s general removal volunteer program.

Can members of tribes not traditionally associated with the Grand Canyon participate in lethal removal activities?
Members of tribes not traditionally associated with the Grand Canyon can participate in lethal removal activities through the State of Arizona’s volunteer program, or potentially through partnership with one of the eleven traditionally associated tribes. Grand Canyon National Park has also partnered with the InterTribal Buffalo Council (ITBC) to provide captured live bison to ITBC member tribes. In 2020, 57 live bison were transported to four federally-recognized tribes though this partnership.


How do I apply to be a skilled volunteer?
Volunteers must apply through Arizona Game and Fish Department (AZGFD). AZGFD will run the lottery*May 3-4, 2021*on*azbisonstewards.com*and will send applicants to the park for provisional selection. Final selection will be contingent on meeting the volunteer qualification criteria. Additional*skilled volunteer FAQs*can be found on this*website.

Arizona Game and Fish organizes a separate hunt in the North Kaibab National Forest. Interested parties may work directly with the state to sign up.

What qualifications must a volunteer meet to participate in the lethal removal operations?
Skilled Volunteers must meet the following criteria:

• Provide a pictured proof of identity (driver’s license, passport)

• Be a United States citizen

• Be 18 years of age or older

• Provide proof of successful completion of a firearms safety course (hunter safety course or similar)

• Be willing to haul bison carcasses out of wilderness on foot without motorized assistance

• Utilize park-approved, non-lead ammunition and firearms (see Firearm FAQs)

• Agree to a firearm safety inspection by park staff prior to fieldwork

• Actively participate in all training and safety briefings and follow Team Lead instructions.

• Have strong verbal communication skills.

• Sign up as an unpaid NPS volunteer (NPS VIP Program) for five days and participate in the full period

• Sign a volunteer applicant affidavit of criminal history and lack revocable wildlife violation histories

• Be able to pass, apply for, and purchase background checks that verify the lack of criminal and wildlife violation histories.

• Self-certify a high level of physical fitness.

• Provide own equipment, lodging, food, rifle (rifles must be at least .30 caliber with a bottlenecked cartridge), and non-lead ammunition (non-lead bullet that is at least 165 grains and is of a non-frangible design), and field dressing supplies.

• Have a firearm safety certification and pass a firearms proficiency test (3 of 5 shots in a 4 inch circle at 100 yards)

• Failure to successfully pass or agree to any of the listed requirements will eliminate an individual from further participation as a volunteer.

• Additional*skilled volunteer FAQs*can be found on this*website.

How much meat will I be able to keep? Will I be able to keep the head or hide?
Grand Canyon National Park will transfer bison carcasses to Arizona Game and Fish Department at the end of each volunteer/ operation period. Arizona Game and Fish Department may distribute what they choose to skilled volunteers on the last day of their service. Skilled volunteers may share with Support Volunteers. Carcass distribution will not exceed one bison per volunteer team. Any parts not desired by volunteers will be transferred to the Tribal governments of GCNP’s 11 traditionally associated tribes.

What is the cost to apply?
As this is not a hunt, the only cost to selected volunteers is the $65 fee associated with requesting a background check from Arizona Department of Public Safety.

What kind of time commitment will be required of volunteers?
There will be 4 lethal removal operations during the pilot year 2021. Each period will last 5 days. Volunteers will be expected to attend training on the first day and will be expected to participate in a full week of work. Operational Periods are as follows: Sept 20-24, Sept 27-Oct1, Oct 18-22, Oct 25-29. Volunteers will not be able to select which operational period they are interested in participating in.

Have you looked at more humane options (like birth control) to control the bison population?
The purpose of corralling and lethal removal bison is to quickly reduce the population of the herd to <200 to protect park resources and values from the impacts of the rapidly growing herd. Fertility control can take a long time and requires expensive, frequently repeated applications to achieve significant population reductions. Therefore, fertility control measures alone would not quickly reduce the current bison population to <200 in the 3- to 5-year period that the other three methods in combination will (live capture and lethal removal along with legal hunting in Arizona when bison migrate out of the park).

I heard that these bison are actually cattelo or beefalo? Why are you treating them like wildlife?
The source of the bison currently residing within Grand Canyon is well known, and their history does include interbreeding with cattle over 100 years ago. While the current generation of bison still retain a small portion of cattle genes (<1%), these genes do not impact the physical features or wild behavior of these animals. The State of Arizona recognizes and designates bison within Arizona as wildlife under state law. Cattelo and beefalo are recognized as having 75% cattle genetics, a number far higher than the cattle genetics in the bison herd at Grand Canyon.

Do bison living in Grand Canyon have brucellosis?
No. None of the bison at Grand Canyon have tested positive for brucellosis.

I am opposed to the live capture and or lethal removal activities. How do I express my opposition?

During the EA public scoping process, individuals and organizations had the opportunity to provide formal comment to Grand Canyon National Park. Once the EA and FONSI were completed and signed the opportunity to provide formal comment is no longer available.

Individuals or groups who wish to express their opposition/concern may do so as part of the rights protected and guaranteed by the First Amendment. Those wishing to exercise their First Amendment rights should review the park website for information about permits.

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The National Park and the Indians had planed everything, hunters complained and Zona Fish and Game agreed, and the antis rejected the notion.

Heck, can anything be accomplished with all that?
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With the current administration, this will not happen. It will be called off soon.
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The National Park and the Indians had planed everything, hunters complained and Zona Fish and Game agreed, and the antis rejected the notion.

Heck, can anything be accomplished with all that?
Yeah, and after reading the above that you posted it does not sound very appealing.

If I get it straight. I get to punch a hole in a flesh target and am rewarded with lots of govt BS, lots of packing, and no guarantee of meat.
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Here’s a suggestion. With the pack-in and pack-out requirements, this clearly not a one person operation. I suggest team work. Say, 5 CG’ers work as a team. All five enter the lottery. If one or more are selected, all five go as a team, the shooter or shooters take their shot. Then all five work on the pack-out and split the take.
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I wonder how much of a hunt it'll be?

If I am just shooting a moo cow equivilant that does not seem worth it. If its actually difficult to kill maybe I'll put in.
I'm not sure Bison hunting was ever all that exciting or difficult. Thats why there are all those photos of massive piles of them.
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This is a challenging hunt. I can do it and am qualified I think. Stupid twits who have never hunted north rim for mulieys should STFUP. Like the dksmkr above me.

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My comment was just in regards to the act of actually shooting the Bison. I don't mean to discredit getting to them or hauling that amount of meat out. That part is probably hard as hell. Hope I didn't offend.
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Sacrilegious event is an abomination ...!

Let the Bison live ...!

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As enticing as it sounds, it seems like it should be opened first to tribal interests, and any left over slots should go to the general public.
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My prediction is, no such cull will take place.
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Chance of a lifetime? Not really. The odds for selection are not great. If you want to shoot a bison, plan on going to a private ranch.
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Feds have control over National Park lands, the State has control over the animal. Then add to that the Feds are obligated to the Indians, the State obligated to the citizen hunters, we now have a cluster p#$k. Then we end up with the Feds saying no motorized or mechanical extraction (what about carts and or pack animals?).

The State counters with (or vise versa) their own requirement that after the animal is packed out, it must be turned over to the State. Then the State will divide the animal, then decide who gets what.
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Even with a team of 5.... the 2000 lbs + gear will be a huge challenge without machinery help!

I am out!
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As enticing as it sounds, it seems like it should be opened first to tribal interests, and any left over slots should go to the general public.
I couldn’t disagree more. The bison are on federal land belonging to every US citizen.

The indians shouldn’t have a greater say in it than anyone else.
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I put in for it. Even if it is a completely canned hunt and extremely difficult physical labor, it's a great excuse to go screw around at the Grand Canyon. It'd be a heckuva vacation and very enjoyable for me, as well as FAR cheaper than an elk hunt.

There was a similar one for mountain goats (or rams, I forget which) a year or two ago in a different state that I didn't put in for, as I didn't have the mountaineering skills or gear to be able to do it. Or the cardio.
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I couldn’t disagree more. The bison are on federal land belonging to every US citizen.

The indians shouldn’t have a greater say in it than anyone else.
I agree with you, but the buffalo belong to the State of Zona (Arizona), the land belongs to every US citizen. The only way to hunt buffalo or anything else on Federal property is with their permission, and normally under federal rules, but they need to be more stringent than the State hunting regulations.
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I agree with you, but the buffalo belong to the State of Zona (Arizona), the land belongs to every US citizen. The only way to hunt buffalo or anything else on Federal property is with their permission, and normally under federal rules, but they need to be more stringent than the State hunting regulations.
I understand. It’s a shame simple conservation work like this always becomes a political **** show.
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I couldn’t disagree more. The bison are on federal land belonging to every US citizen.

The indians shouldn’t have a greater say in it than anyone else.
I agree with your first sentiment. Historically the natives did a better job of not pushing the bison to the brink of extinction, and their heritage of hunting them should be honored first, in my opinion. Good luck to you if you put in for it, I hope it’s everything you’d want it to be.

If anything, it’s a million times better than just the government gunning them from a helicopter and leaving the carcasses to rot.
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I agree with your first sentiment. Historically the natives did a better job of not pushing the bison to the brink of extinction, and their heritage of hunting them should be honored first, in my opinion. Good luck to you if you put in for it, I hope it’s everything you’d want it to be.

If anything, it’s a million times better than just the government gunning them from a helicopter and leaving the carcasses to rot.
You know better indians than I do then. I’ve talked to many who brag about spot lighting deer, shooting does, and hunting off season on the local reservations.

And I’ve never shot a bison so don’t try to pin their near extirpation on me. I’ve had my fill of white guilt thanks.
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You know better indians than I do then. I’ve talked to many who brag about spot lighting deer, shooting does, and hunting off season on the local reservations.

And I’ve never shot a bison so don’t try to pin their near extirpation on me. I’ve had my fill of white guilt thanks.
Yeah, I've hunted quite a few reservations and its somewhat sad the shape they are in. The only business you'll ever see is a gas station or casino.

Maybe they didn't kill off the buffalo, but that's driven by apathy. They haven't done much of anything.

To be fair, "westerners" or whatever you want to call them have lead the front in conservation worldwide. If you look at the amount of donations, studies, volunteers, departments, businesses it's not even close...
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The Indian don't want to hunt or "leathery take" the buffalo. But since the range or plateau is over populate and some will be killed, they want everything the volunteers take and pack out.

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Yeah, I've hunted quite a few reservations and its somewhat sad the shape they are in. The only business you'll ever see is a gas station or casino.

Maybe they didn't kill off the buffalo but that's driven by apathy. They haven't done much of anything.

To be fair "westerners" or whatever you want to call them have lead the front in conservation world wide. If you look at the amount of donation, studies, volunteers, departments, businesses its not even close...
I’ve don’t have a beef with anyone in the tribes, I just don’t like the whole “noble Indian, evil pale face” routine.

There are good and bad folk in any group. I just want to see equal treatment of all ethical hunters.
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I’ve don’t have a beef with anyone in the tribes, I just don’t like the whole “noble Indian, evil pale face” routine.

There are good and bad folk in any group. I just want to see equal treatment of all ethical hunters.
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