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Old 01-10-2019, 12:46 PM
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I have a friend (seriously) who works a non-sworn position for a SD. He has a supervisor who is on a complete power trip or something. Total a-hole. Nobody likes the guy, but he has seniority and seems untouchable. He sets up "gotcha'" situations to get my buddy in trouble all the time. The supe has already been the subject of an IA complaint in the past.

My question is: will my friend face repercussions for filing an IA complaint (lack of chances to be promoted, hurt his chances for employment at other agencies, etc.)? Will he be negatively branded?
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:50 PM
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Officially: No

Unofficially: Yes
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:54 PM
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That's what I suspected. Any advice on how to handle the situation?
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Old 01-10-2019, 2:02 PM
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Depends on what your friend's tolerance for pain. One way or the other.

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Old 01-10-2019, 3:39 PM
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He sets up "gotcha'" situations to get my buddy in trouble all the time

If your buddy is following policy and procedure hows he getting in trouble?
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Old 01-10-2019, 3:46 PM
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^^^ R u serious. Connected sups can always jam u up. CYA is the norm for some.
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Old 01-10-2019, 4:16 PM
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He sets up "gotcha'" situations to get my buddy in trouble all the time

If your buddy is following policy and procedure hows he getting in trouble?

That's the latest problem. The supe told him what the policy is on a certain action. Then another department catches a problem with the way my buddy did something (following the supe's direction.) The correct policy and procedure was then followed. The supe then reprimands my friend for insubordination. Of course, the supe never made mention to the other dept. the "policy" that he told my friend.

That is just one example of many actions the supe has taken to make for hostile work environment.

I wish I be more specific, but I don't know who may be reading this. Plus, this isn't my problem. I'm just reaching out to the LE community for feedback and advice since my friend lacks LE connections outside of work. He certainly can't bring this up at work.
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The employee needs to go to his labor group and get some support...
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Old 01-10-2019, 6:21 PM
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That's the latest problem. The supe told him what the policy is on a certain action. Then another department catches a problem with the way my buddy did something (following the supe's direction.) The correct policy and procedure was then followed. The supe then reprimands my friend for insubordination. Of course, the supe never made mention to the other dept. the "policy" that he told my friend.

That is just one example of many actions the supe has taken to make for hostile work environment.

I wish I be more specific, but I don't know who may be reading this. Plus, this isn't my problem. I'm just reaching out to the LE community for feedback and advice since my friend lacks LE connections outside of work. He certainly can't bring this up at work.
To reiterate what SDDAVE was referring if he is following proper department policy, thereís no going wrong there.

Another departmentís policy should have no bearing on how he does his job with his own department. For example, my departmentís use of force policy still goes with 835a and a use of force paradigm whereas another department does not. That other department canít jam me up if Iím within policy.

If what this supervisor told your friend was incorrect policy, then thatís your friendís fault through and through since he doesnít know policy or didnít verify the correct policy.
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Heís LE and lacks LE connections outside of work? Odd.
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Old 01-10-2019, 6:27 PM
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He’s LE and lacks LE connections outside of work? Odd.
He's non-sworn and relatively new to government work.
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To reiterate what SDDAVE was referring if he is following proper department policy, thereís no going wrong there.

Another departmentís policy should have no bearing on how he does his job with his own department. For example, my departmentís use of force policy still goes with 835a and a use of force paradigm whereas another department does not. That other department canít jam me up if Iím within policy.

If what this supervisor told your friend was incorrect policy, then thatís your friendís fault through and through since he doesnít know policy or didnít verify the correct policy.
He was eventually informed of the correct policy and followed it. The supe (intentionally) gave him wrong info and reprimanded him for not following his direction. I say the supe intentionally gave him wrong info because he himself needs to follow the correct policy as not get himself in trouble.

When I mentioned department, I didn't mean agency. I mean department as in admin, HR, etc.
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Old 01-10-2019, 7:04 PM
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If he didnít act within policy even with wrong info, his fault. If a sup tell you to go kick windows in for no reason, and you do, is the sup really to blame?

Even if it was intentional bad info, itís on your buddy to follow policy as stated before me.
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Old 01-10-2019, 7:38 PM
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I told him he needs to confirm policy. He knows he needs to CYA.
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His agency should have a policy manual, get him to study that.

Failing that, have co-workers available to corroborate what was said prior to things going sideways.

Otherwise ask to speak to the supervisor's supervisor and document in detail the incoming retaliation. Present the info to HR and see what goes down from there. They key here if you haven't noticed, is CYA aka documentation.

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I think he's been documenting since the beginning of when things started to go bad. He certainly documents all his own actions for CYA and it's already helped him when the supe made false allegations regarding his performance. The supe's pattern of behavior is what's causing problems.
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Ask him to take off his cover and duty belt and step outside onto the loading dock.
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