|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 |
|
|||||||
| Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
 |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
|
#1
09-29-2018, 4:25 PM
|
|||
|
|||
Looking for some education
The person with whom I have taken pistol classes with is pushing for me to get a CCW.
Of course , this means more money for him. I grew up in the Bronx , went to an amazing magnet school in Harlem , lived in the SF Mission when it was cheap for a reason and then bought a home in Vallejo . While it’s been decades since I was assaulted or mugged or fought people off , every instance of that was me putting myself into a bad situation through youthful stupidity. Almost all avoidable. All of those places are statistically some of the most dangerous in the US. Yet ,I’ve never felt the need to carry a gun . Telescoping clubs , brass knuckles as a kid , small knives as an adult, sure, but never a gun. I don’t carry large sums of cash or take public transportation ( where most of my violent encounters happened). I spend most of my time working in really affluent areas . I love the idea of passing the test and the personal challenge , but I don’t live in fear of an attack or see that having a ccw would enhance my quality of life. What is the major reasoning for needing to carry a gun at all times? Is it mostly small business owners or victims of crime? No judgements. I’m feeling pressured and I am not sure why I would need this. Love shooting and I do feel safer in my home with my pistol. Thoughts? If this is not the right forum , please excuse me. 
|
|
#2
09-29-2018, 4:34 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
You train to be proficient with a handgun, if you are doing any sort of defensive training what are you training for? Do you feel more likely to need it at home than when you're away from home? To me it's like learning how to use a fire extinguisher and then not putting one in your car.
When you carry every day putting on your gun feels as normal as putting your phone in your pocket, it doesn't become an extra thing, it's part of the routine.
|
|
#4
09-29-2018, 4:38 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Criminals don't know if you have a large wad of cash or a Rolex, they just want your stuff.
CCW means you want to go that extra step to protect yourself and your family. Affluent areas are where criminals like to visit. I will be in your boat if LA County decides to issue. If you do not intend to carry, consider some tactical shooting classes possibly.
__________________
Originally posted by Kestryll: It never fails to amuse me how people get outraged but fail to tell the whole story in their rants....
|
|
#5
09-29-2018, 4:41 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Every person has a different reason, although I think the majority will be on the side of protect myself and family if the need arises, hoping that day or minute never comes.
If you personally don't feel the need to carry you probably won't, so it ends up being wasted money. I will most certainly not try to convince you that you should. It's a very personal decision that each person has to make by them self.
|
|
#6
09-29-2018, 5:13 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Toyman: Thank you for the concise answer. So for you , it was a natural decision , not as a professional / work need or as a reaction to an incident or environment. Holy moley, I have fire extinguishers every where EXCEPT our cars. So , it sounds like if in the course of training or going down this road , ifthat naturally seems a comfortable choice, then it’s the right one . That’s what it sounds like for you . I haven’t taken any defensive classes.
I got it as a reaction to an incident in my community where the VPD took 2.5 hrs to respond to multiple calls about a man trying to break into an elderly woman’s house . He kept coming back and they never showed up. Living here , we’ve had to organize our neighborhood to improve it as the city does nothing . We’ve been very successful at cleaning it up and making a nice community.While not in my community , the incident made it clear the police aren’t going to be there for us either and I have to protect myself as well . The classes are to educate myself on everything about gun ownership, safety so I don’t do anything stupid .The surprise was just how much fun it was . I really enjoy it . I go to the range whenever I get a chance and have met a bunch of really nice folks in the process. If it’s useful and helps others , of course it’s a good thing. If it stops being fun , then why keep it up? I’m having fun. The other scenario is the earthquake / Fire scenario. What happens if first responders are busy and I have to defend my home or get us out of some crazy situation evacuating. Does a CCW give me added legal protection for protecting my home. During the wildfires , there has been widespread looting. It could help during an escape. I have a lot to learn regarding the aspects of defense. I always think of it as carrying it all the time, but maybe for some it’s carry when really needed. Thanks for the useful perspectives. I’ll keep going forward and see what happens. Gary: In Atherton and Woodside , where CEO’s have 40 mil homes you will see ex military private security in SUV ‘s . Some homes you have to get a daily badge and be escorted to each room. Super safe. If I’m doing side work cops will pull me over and question why I’m there on a Saturday. It’s another world. They are protected like ordinary people are not. Last edited by JoyfulJoker; 09-29-2018 at 5:29 PM..
|
|
#7
09-29-2018, 6:00 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
|
|
#8
09-29-2018, 6:03 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
 Still trying to find where the OP was looking for voting advice.
|
|
#9
09-29-2018, 6:05 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
__________________
"Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." -- Frederick Douglass -- “I didn’t know I was a slave until I found out I couldn’t do the things I wanted.” – Frederick Douglass --
|
|
#11
09-29-2018, 8:04 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
|
|
#12
09-29-2018, 8:15 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
I can only relate my personal experience and feelings on the matter. I was like you. Liked to shoot, but didn’t think about the safety aspect. However, the more you watch the news and hear of reports of things happening to your neighbors, the more you feel naked.
It was a journey for me to get to where I am. Although I don’t have the opportunity to carry (Contra Costa County), I carry as often as possible at home. Both my wife and I feel the same way. If you get a chance, spend some time on the Active Self Protection YT channel. A TON of videos on violent encounters and many solved with king-fu, knife-fu, gun-fu and run-fu.  Very eye opening videos. Be safe bro. It’s not always a rational thing. Crazy happens at any time, any place.
__________________
Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes). M&P 15 (Mine)
|
|
#13
09-30-2018, 10:40 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Of course telescoping clubs, brass knuckles, and small (fixed blade) knives are illegal to carry in CA, and you may be better off legally shooting than stabbing an attacker anyway.
So if one day you needed to carry something, what would it be? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
|
|
#14
09-30-2018, 3:15 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Feeling pressured is a bad reason to go CCW. If you don't want to do it, don't. If I felt the way you did, I wouldn't. You could compromise by getting the CCW and not carrying, if you feel a need to make your friend happy. That should be fairly straightforward and educational, if possibly a bit pricey. It might also be useful some day.
Of course, I live in Santa Clara county, so I can't get a CCW, and thus this is just the viewpoint of someone who wants a CCW but never has had one.
|
|
#15
09-30-2018, 5:56 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
If the cost isn't prohibitive, it could be worth taking the class for the legal discussion and shooting experience that your other classes may not offer.
Then make a decision as to whether or not you want to carry. I studied martial arts in NYC as well, when the city was ROUGH. I too was very lucky. Some friends, however, not so much. You just never know.
|
|
#16
09-30-2018, 6:08 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
I feel that if you are even considering getting a permit then you should do so. Because someone else is pressuring you to get one so that they can make some more coin is not a reason to go and start the process.
Have you ever thought about it prior to your trainer offering it? If so, then go for it. If not, then I have to ask why not? If your a gun owner and have the means to get one then why would you NOT want to get one? I come from a perspective of having a permit for almost as long as I've owned a gun. Like you I never considered for a second that I would put myself into a position that may require one. After my service in the Marines I had put firearms behind me and never thought about it again. I did not own a single firearm for 20 years after my discharge. Then in 2007 I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I was attacked by 5 Crips at a gas station. I lost 3 months of work and rehabbed for 11 months. I still bear the physical and emotional scars from that encounter. I wish that I knew then what I know now. After that attack (on the way to my birthday dinner btw) I went and bought my first gun and applied for a permit in Riverside County. I ignored all of the naysayers who said that you couldn't get a permit in California and I applied. To my surprise I was approved! I've carried every day since then. I've also gathered a nice selection of firearms since then as well. Moral of my story: If you don't think that it can happen to you then you are wrong. Don't be dead wrong. If a CCW permit is something that you would even consider then get one.
__________________
 Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
|
#17
09-30-2018, 6:27 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
better to have and not need than to need and not have
|
|
#18
09-30-2018, 6:39 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
I have a wife and children I am obligated to keep safe. Since I grew up with handguns a handgun for self defense was a natural choice.
Being able to protect my family without risking violating gun laws was a plus. I would rather have a handgun for self defense and never need it then not have one and need it. But only you will know what is important to you. I spend a considerable amount of my time training with my handguns, not so much for self defense but because I like the challenge of being the best I can be.
__________________
Only slaves don't need guns Quote:
We already have the only reasonable Gun Control we need, It's called the Second Amendment and it's the government it controls. What doesn't kill me, better run
|
|
#19
09-30-2018, 7:16 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
19 posts and no one has blamed it on the libertards yet. Cal guns must be mellowing out
|
|
#20
09-30-2018, 8:13 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
__________________
- Rich    Quote:
|
|
#21
09-30-2018, 9:29 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
Why? Why do you have these things if the odds are so incredibly small that you would ever need them? You have these things because these odds aren't zero and what's at stake is enormous and irreplaceable. You have smoke detectors in case you're asleep to wake you in time. You have an extinguisher to hopefully put the fire out before it destroys your home. And you have insurance in case the others fail. You don't have a choice when violence comes calling. And there are no second chances or "do overs" when it comes to your life and the lives of your family. Are the odds of you being attacked small? Yup. They sure are. But they're not zero. Just like the odds of your house burning down. And I sure don't see most people getting rid of their home owners insurance. But to say you live your life in tremendous and constant fear of fire is silly. So to is it with carrying a gun. You don't carry one because you're afraid. You carry one because you're prepared. And because life is precious and irreplaceable.
__________________
"Kestryll I wanna lick your doughnut." Fighter Pilot
|
|
#22
09-30-2018, 9:34 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
__________________
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
|
|
#24
10-01-2018, 4:28 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
I had a long talk with my wife about it. We discussed 3 realistic situations : Fire (Atlas Peak Fire got 9 Miles from us, sounds far , it isn’t ), earthquake followed by black out and looting and needing to escape such natural disasters. We’ve already had all 3 without incident. It’s part of living in CA. In that case, the legal protection of a CCW allows us to protect ourselves outside of our property line as long as we don’t behave like idiots.
I’ll keep going one step at a time and see how it goes . No more new gun purchases until after an upcoming Vacation.
|
|
#25
10-01-2018, 7:52 AM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
CCW is certainly a potential method but so are things like: Avoiding known crime areas (build your house away from fire hazards, remove potential fire sources and maintain home systems that mitigate fire hazards); Maintaining heightened situational awareness (smoke detector); Physically escaping potential violence (run away from the fire); and, Other less lethal forms of self protection like pepper spray, etc. (put fire out while it is still small). There are other examples, but your get the idea. I have no problem with promoting CCW, but when I see people who say they will not walk to the mailbox without being armed then I think I see somebody who needs to find a better neighborhood to live in. And if you choose to CCW then I feel strongly that you need to train not only in the actual proficient use of your weapon(s) but also in the other factors involved in successful use of firearms in self protection like threat assessment, tactics, field of fire, cover, etc. Sort of like having a fire extinguisher in your house but not having any idea how to use it in the case of a fire. Just simply being armed is likely not going to be enough.
|
|
| Thread Tools | |
| Display Modes | |
|
|
 |
 |
 |
Linear Mode
