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First, Newscum must be voted out. Larry just needs 1 more vote than any other candidate.
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So how many votes does Larry Elder actually need to defeat Newscum?
That's not quite how it works, the recall is a 2 part question. Yes or No on recalling Newsom. If "Yes", then who do you choose to replace him; if "No" then you don't get to make a selection on the second question.

So we need a majority voting yes on recalling Newsom, then Elder would just need to receive the majority of the votes to be the replacement.
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There is an opinion piece floating around stating that the recall process is unconstitutional.... they really, really are worried he is going to lose and are now grasping at every straw.

Funny, no one said it was unconstitutional when Grey Davis lost, and no one has ever talked about changing the recall rules until now.

Equally funny is that they put themselves in this position by voting to change the timeline to (at the time) benefit 'ole Newsom, and the timeline they wanted now puts the recall square in the middle of covid.

How utterly divine would it be if Newsom is ousted and then Feinstein kicked the bucket?!
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Has anyone else received their recall mail-in ballots?
Alameda County sent a flyer a couple weeks back saying that mailing begins 08/16.
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There is an opinion piece floating around stating that the recall process is unconstitutional.... they really, really are worried he is going to lose and are now grasping at every straw.

Funny, no one said it was unconstitutional when Grey Davis lost, and no one has ever talked about changing the recall rules until now.

Equally funny is that they put themselves in this position by voting to change the timeline to (at the time) benefit 'ole Newsom, and the timeline they wanted now puts the recall square in the middle of covid.

How utterly divine would it be if Newsom is ousted and then Feinstein kicked the bucket?!
GOP takes Senate? Yeah, but already so many RINOs.

I'm thinking Newsom will lose but file enough suits to stall his removal...forever. Do a False Flag election fraud if you see the Recall is winning.
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would just need to receive the majority of the votes to be the replacement.
does need to be majority or just "the most", because IIRC there are something like two dozen hopefuls.

This is why, Poly Sci wise, best hope to get non-anti-gun Governor in CA is to crawdad into it with a Recall once a Dem wins general.

In solidly Left Wing CA, its going to be a lot easier to say "Fire that guy" THEN pick someone sorta opposite than to get more votes than the establishment Left Wing guy with the Machine behind him in the General.

Sorta like I might not be able to win the Indy 500, but I could make sure the favorite to win loses by crashing him, so that someone else wins.
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does need to be majority or just "the most", because IIRC there are something like two dozen hopefuls.

This is why, Poly Sci wise, best hope to get non-anti-gun Governor in CA is to crawdad into it with a Recall once a Dem wins general.

In solidly Left Wing CA, its going to be a lot easier to say "Fire that guy" THEN pick someone sorta opposite than to get more votes than the establishment Left Wing guy with the Machine behind him in the General.

Sorta like I might not be able to win the Indy 500, but I could make sure the favorite to win loses by crashing him, so that someone else wins.
Is the "majority" not the same as " the most"? I count 46 candidates on the official list, if Elder got 10% of the votes, and the remaining 45 candidates split the remaining 90% of the votes in a way that none of them accumulated more than Elder's 10%, Elder would win.
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does need to be majority or just "the most", because IIRC there are something like two dozen hopefuls.

This is why, Poly Sci wise, best hope to get non-anti-gun Governor in CA is to crawdad into it with a Recall once a Dem wins general.

In solidly Left Wing CA, its going to be a lot easier to say "Fire that guy" THEN pick someone sorta opposite than to get more votes than the establishment Left Wing guy with the Machine behind him in the General.

Sorta like I might not be able to win the Indy 500, but I could make sure the favorite to win loses by crashing him, so that someone else wins.
I'm no fan of Newsom, but... it seems fairly anti-democratic to remove a sitting governor who won 7.7 million (62%) votes in 2018 through a recall that needed signatures equal to only 12% of votes cast in 2018, and - no matter how few people turn out to vote in the recall - could produce a new governor with far fewer votes than even signatures turned in to force the recall in the first place. Pretty hard for that new governor to claim legitimacy or any kind of popular mandate.

Yeah, it's the rules of the system we have, I get it.
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I'm no fan of Newsom, but... it seems fairly anti-democratic to remove a sitting governor who won 7.7 million (62%) votes in 2018 through a recall that needed signatures equal to only 12% of votes cast in 2018, and - no matter how few people turn out to vote in the recall - could produce a new governor with far fewer votes than even signatures turned in to force the recall in the first place. Pretty hard for that new governor to claim legitimacy or any kind of popular mandate.

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On Sept. 14, voters will be asked to cast a ballot on two questions:
1. Should Gov. Gavin Newsom be recalled and removed from office?
2. If so, which of the candidates on the ballot should replace him?

The first question is decided by a majority vote. If a majority favors recalling Mr. Newsom, he is removed from office.

But the latter question is decided by a plurality, and whichever candidate gets the most votes, even if it is much less than a majority, becomes the next governor. Critically, Mr. Newsom is not on the ballot for the second question.
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Alameda County sent a flyer a couple weeks back saying that mailing begins 08/16.

Got ours yesterday in Alameda Co.
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There is an opinion piece floating around stating that the recall process is unconstitutional.... they really, really are worried he is going to lose and are now grasping at every straw.

Funny, no one said it was unconstitutional when Grey Davis lost, and no one has ever talked about changing the recall rules until now.

Equally funny is that they put themselves in this position by voting to change the timeline to (at the time) benefit 'ole Newsom, and the timeline they wanted now puts the recall square in the middle of covid.

How utterly divine would it be if Newsom is ousted and then Feinstein kicked the bucket?!
I can't figure out what guides the authors' opinion....

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Erwin Chemerinsky and Aaron S. Edlin

Mr. Chemerinsky is the dean of the School of Law at the University of California, Berkeley, and the author of the forthcoming book “Presumed Guilty: How the Supreme Court Empowered the Police and Subverted Civil Rights.” Mr. Edlin is a professor of law and of economics at Berkeley.

The California recall election, as structured, violates that fundamental principle. If Mr. Newsom is favored by a plurality of the voters, but someone else is elected, then his voters are denied equal protection. Their votes have less influence in determining the outcome of the election.

This should not be a close constitutional question. It is true that federal courts generally are reluctant to get involved in elections. But the Supreme Court has been emphatic that it is the role of the judiciary to protect the democratic process and the principle of one-person one-vote.

This issue was not raised in 2003 before the last recall, when Gray Davis was removed from office after receiving support from 44.6 percent of the voters. But his successor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was elected to replace him with 48.5 percent of the vote. So Mr. Schwarzenegger was properly elected.

This time, we hope that a state or federal lawsuit will be brought challenging the recall election. The court could declare the recall election procedure unconstitutional and leave it to California to devise a constitutional alternative. Or it could simply add Mr. Newsom’s name on the ballot to the list of those running to replace him. That simple change would treat his supporters equally to others and ensure that if he gets more votes than any other candidate, he will stay in office.
Of course, it's been in the California Constitution since 1911.
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The lie? I sure didn't vote for him, if that's what you're getting at.
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I'm no fan of Newsom, but... it seems fairly anti-democratic to remove a sitting governor who won 7.7 million (62%) votes in 2018 through a recall that needed signatures equal to only 12% of votes cast in 2018, and - no matter how few people turn out to vote in the recall - could produce a new governor with far fewer votes than even signatures turned in to force the recall in the first place. Pretty hard for that new governor to claim legitimacy or any kind of popular mandate.

Yeah, it's the rules of the system we have, I get it.
Newsom during the campaign said he would support the death penalty law. After elected he issued an order suspending the death penalty.

This is only one instance of bait and switch.
Do you think that a big deal, bait and switch is a good reason to terminate his term?

Many of us were horrified when he let cold bloodied scum , live out their lives, when victims were tortured and murdered.
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I signed this yesterday. Hopefully, the fact that I did it digitally doesn't mean it gets thrown out.

I had to rewrite this a couple of times because I'm getting all of the leftist nonsense with Afghanistan, California, etc all conflated. I hope we get a deep seated Conservative in office who would have no problem reminding the state of what the left has done and maybe use this to help get rid of the supermajority this state has suffered under for so long.

Leftists should probably should not be so smug after the pasting we just got in Afghanistan at the hands of our own leadership. This is a world level disaster for us. We look like buffoons to the world right now, and the damage falls SQUARELY on Biden and how he handled it.

I hope California voters see that and put Newsome and his Assembly all in the same boat out of here.

Sorry for ther rant. I'm just a bit upset at the whole Afghanistan thing.
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I'm no fan of Newsom, but... it seems fairly anti-democratic to remove a sitting governor who won 7.7 million (62%) votes in 2018 through a recall that needed signatures equal to only 12% of votes cast in 2018, and - no matter how few people turn out to vote in the recall - could produce a new governor with far fewer votes than even signatures turned in to force the recall in the first place. Pretty hard for that new governor to claim legitimacy or any kind of popular mandate.

Yeah, it's the rules of the system we have, I get it.
Just like its very undemocratic to have a even 50/50 split in the US Senate and a 5 vote margin in the US House of Representatives and call it a "MANDATE" to significantly change the economic and social fabric of America... As far as the Recall, its perfectly democratic because all 7.7 million voters who cast votes for Newsom in 2018 can cast "no" votes in this recall. That they cant be bothered or wont is their choice... not a problem with the system. The woke mases got out to vote trump out in 2018, if Newsome is worth saving to them, they come out and vote "No" on the recall!

Not very democratic? STOP SMOKING CRACK!

- The CBS News/YouGov poll, conducted among 1,856 Californians between Aug. 6 and Aug. 12, shows that 54% of registered voters oppose the recall while 46% support it, but the race tightens to 52% opposition and 48% support among likely recall election voters.
- This new CBS poll found that 86% of Trump 2020 voters said they "definitely will vote" in the recall election, compared with just 75% of Biden 2020 voters who said the same. Only 16% of Trump voters are following the recall election "not very closely" or "not closely at all," and that figure rises to 32% among Biden voters.
- The poll also found that Newsom has positive approval on COVID-19, wildfires and the drought, but negative approval ratings on crime and homelessness. On homelessness specifically, Newsom has just a 40% approval rating.
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I'm no fan of Newsom, but... it seems fairly anti-democratic to remove a sitting governor who won 7.7 million (62%) votes in 2018 through a recall that needed signatures equal to only 12% of votes cast in 2018, and - no matter how few people turn out to vote in the recall - could produce a new governor with far fewer votes than even signatures turned in to force the recall in the first place. Pretty hard for that new governor to claim legitimacy or any kind of popular mandate.

Yeah, it's the rules of the system we have, I get it.
The rules of the system also register illegal aliens to vote at the DMV when getting a license. Oh, actually we do have the safeguard where you have to check the box that says "I'm eligible to vote, Scout's honor" but luckily DMV employees usually prefill that for you. We have millions of illegal voters on our rosters, and Democrats legalized ballot harvesting in 2016 to go around buying votes. I don't think Newsom is nearly as popular as you think he is. Although I will concede he has the state workers under his belt through coercion and bribery from the unions. "Vote Newsom, he'll raise your pensions!"
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The very fact he has not done anything to facilitate water storage and now has money to buy off voters should be another reason why this self centered individual should b recalled.

he just is not a capable leader.
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Larry Elder probably last stop for some sort of American freedom

Home made Larry Elder sign in yard fir now will do.

Made a lil pitch in that hat.
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Wife and I received our ballots. Can't wait to get rid of this liar.
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I'm absolutely voting to recall Newsom. You have to be insane to think other wise will be in our favor.
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Home made Larry Elder sign in yard fir now will do.

Made a lil pitch in that hat.
Good work and I agree, the yard sign is a great idea. Its also important that each of us use word of mouth to help keep momentum for Larry, as you are also doing.
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I'm no fan of Newsom, but... it seems fairly anti-democratic to remove a sitting governor who won 7.7 million (62%) votes in 2018 through a recall that needed signatures equal to only 12% of votes cast in 2018, and - no matter how few people turn out to vote in the recall - could produce a new governor with far fewer votes than even signatures turned in to force the recall in the first place. Pretty hard for that new governor to claim legitimacy or any kind of popular mandate.

Yeah, it's the rules of the system we have, I get it.
Having The People vote on weather they have no confidence in a sitting governor is very democratic. A Republic would use the impeachment process to remove an executive before their term ends. A judicial tyranny would have a judge remove him for abuse of power. A monarchy would have The Queen dismiss the PM and dissolve parliament, calling for new elections. A military coup d'etat would be undemocratic. That's not what Newsom is facing here.

California's method is about as close as you can get to pure democracy.
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Having The People vote on weather they have no confidence in a sitting governor is very democratic. A Republic would use the impeachment process to remove an executive before their term ends. A judicial tyranny would have a judge remove him for abuse of power. A monarchy would have The Queen dismiss the PM and dissolve parliament, calling for new elections. A military coup d'etat would be undemocratic. That's not what Newsom is facing here.

California's method is about as close as you can get to pure democracy.
In a monarchy, the King is the equivalent of the Governor, not the PM. Heck, the Presidency's powers are largely modeled off of those of King George III.

The more modern Parliamentary model, which makes the monarchy more of a symbol than something real, either by law or in practice, is more democratic than the presidential model, which is also why it sucks even more.

More democratic is not a good thing, that's for sure. But I agree that recalls and the like are democratic. It's literally a direct, majority-rules election on a matter.

IMO, California would not have devolved so quickly if it had had proper anti-democratic elements to its form of government. It did once have a geographically-apportioned Senate (the result of an initiative amendment, ironically), which even today would prevent one-party Democratic rule much of the time, and make it tenuous when held the rest of the time. We can thank SCOTUS for its unconstitutional series of rulings which did away with that (and which is what Erwin Chemerinsky is citing as a basis for saying the recall is unconstitutional). Back when that amendment was passed, it succeeded with massive support which was also bipartisan; the urban areas outside of LA did not want to be dominated by LA, and the rural and exurban areas did not want to be dominated by the cities; only LA voted strongly against it.
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Everyone needs to help Larry Elder win. Newsom has a $50 million war chest. I'm retired but gave Larry a small gift this morning.

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LA Times had a quasi anti-Newsom piece related to his fundraising yesterday. The gist was that the appearances are that all sorts of entities are hedging that Newsom will win, and are using the lack of limits as an opportunity for political bribery for the future, or reward for past actions, via huge donations.
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Here's a thought.

In todays newspaper was a reminder that NewScum is sending everyone in Ca that makes less then $75K a "vote buying" relief check of $600.

If everyone fed up with Liberal Destruction of Ca. Sends Larry a check for $600. That is KARMA BABY. And costs the sender nothing.

Turn the tables on VOTE BUYING. By using the Money Rope that Gavin bought with OUR MONEY. To HANG HIM WITH.
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Having The People vote on weather they have no confidence in a sitting governor is very democratic. A Republic would use the impeachment process to remove an executive before their term ends. A judicial tyranny would have a judge remove him for abuse of power. A monarchy would have The Queen dismiss the PM and dissolve parliament, calling for new elections. A military coup d'etat would be undemocratic. That's not what Newsom is facing here.

California's method is about as close as you can get to pure democracy.
If people could vote on the weather, that would be something! :-)

I agree, a ballot to indicate no confidence in the governor is a fine thing, and that's what he's already facing in 2022.

What's undemocratic is to have a slim percentage of voters decide, through a plurality, the next governor. Elder might win it with only 10% of votes in the recall, if no other candidate gets more votes. That's crazy - but it's our process.

If Newsom is recalled, we should simply get the Lt. Governor stepping up, and have a separate statewide election for a replacement Lt. Governor, who would need to get a majority vote.
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If people could vote on the weather, that would be something! :-)

I agree, a ballot to indicate no confidence in the governor is a fine thing, and that's what he's already facing in 2022.

What's undemocratic is to have a slim percentage of voters decide, through a plurality, the next governor. Elder might win it with only 10% of votes in the recall, if no other candidate gets more votes. That's crazy - but it's our process.

If Newsom is recalled, we should simply get the Lt. Governor stepping up, and have a separate statewide election for a replacement Lt. Governor, who would need to get a majority vote.
It's not crazy at all. Standard first-past-the-post election model. Representatives are typically chosen in this manner as well. It's historically been one of the most common election methods in this country and goes back to the UK.

Under the circumstances, recalling Newsom and putting the current Lt. Gov. in office would defeat at least some of the purpose of recalling Newsom.
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Latest poll shows 57% for "No" and 42% for "Yes", with 1% undecided (MOE 3.7%). The amount of Democrats who shifted from not being likely voters to being likely voters or who have already voted has gone up considerably since the last polls, according to this one, accounting for the shift in favor of "No".

A lot of Democrats who are voting or have voted seem to be following the suggestion to not vote at all in the replacement election, though. The number refraining from it is still substantial.

Also, the Democrat vote for a replacement seems to be fragmenting, according to the poll. Paffrath has gone down and the other Democrats have gone up in the polls. Despite some Democratic institutions (like the LA Times) supporting Faulconer for those who have decided to vote for a replacement, he doesn't seem to be drawing many votes from them (although he's still drawing more than any other Republican).

Elder is still the leading replacement candidate, although if Newsom is not recalled, that is obviously moot. He's at 35% of those participating in the replacement election. Paffrath is the closest behind him at 8%. Democrat McGowan is next at 6%. Kiley is the next highest Republican, at 5%. Next are Faulconer, Democrat Ross, and Democrat Watts, each with 4%. Cox and Democrat Baade come in next with 3% each (Cox has fallen far, having once been one of the leading candidates in the double digits). Jenner and Ose each get 1%. The remaining candidates combined get 9%. 19% remain undecided.

Elder, to be secure in the replacement election, would either need to have the Republican vote consolidate more in his favor, or do well among the undecideds. If the undecideds break hard Democrat and the Democrat vote consolidates again around one person (Paffrath, most likely), he has the potential to come in second. Again, moot if Newsom is not recalled. Still, Republicans considering voting for the various other Republicans should reconsider and vote for Elder.

This polling firm gets the lowest historical accuracy rating out of the polls tracking the recall election, which is not to say it gets a bad one. I'm hoping it is wrong on the recall part.

It also shows that 58% of "No" respondents have already voted, while only 35% of "Yes" respondents have voted.

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Latest poll shows 57% for "No" and 42% for "Yes", with 1% undecided (MOE 3.7%). The amount of Democrats who shifted from not being likely voters to being likely voters or who have already voted has gone up considerably since the last polls, according to this one, accounting for the shift in favor of "No".

A lot of Democrats who are voting or have voted seem to be following the suggestion to not vote at all in the replacement election, though. The number refraining from it is still substantial.

Also, the Democrat vote for a replacement seems to be fragmenting, according to the poll. Paffrath has gone down and the other Democrats have gone up in the polls. Despite some Democratic institutions (like the LA Times) supporting Faulconer for those who have decided to vote for a replacement, he doesn't seem to be drawing many votes from them (although he's still drawing more than any other Republican).

Elder is still the leading replacement candidate, although if Newsom is not recalled, that is obviously moot. He's at 35% of those participating in the replacement election. Paffrath is the closest behind him at 8%. Democrat McGowan is next at 6%. Kiley is the next highest Republican, at 5%. Next are Faulconer, Democrat Ross, and Democrat Watts, each with 4%. Cox and Democrat Baade come in next with 3% each (Cox has fallen far, having once been one of the leading candidates in the double digits). Jenner and Ose each get 1%. The remaining candidates combined get 9%. 19% remain undecided.

Elder, to be secure in the replacement election, would either need to have the Republican vote consolidate more in his favor, or do well among the undecideds. If the undecideds break hard Democrat and the Democrat vote consolidates again around one person (Paffrath, most likely), he has the potential to come in second. Again, moot if Newsom is not recalled. Still, Republicans considering voting for the various other Republicans should reconsider and vote for Elder.

This polling firm gets the lowest historical accuracy rating out of the polls tracking the recall election, which is not to say it gets a bad one. I'm hoping it is wrong on the recall part.

It also shows that 58% of "No" respondents have already voted, while only 35% of "Yes" respondents have voted.
This race is Newsom's to lose, and he might very well lose it. He's taken everything for granted up to now, and that pole will probably make him relax with relief, thinking he has it in the bag.

The poal also shows that his supporters are much more engaged than his detractors. If he is to be recalled, the proponents need to step up in a big way. But trumpism is on the wane, they probably don't have it together here.
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This race is Newsom's to lose, and he might very well lose it. He's taken everything for granted up to now, and that pole will probably make him relax with relief, thinking he has it in the bag.

The poal also shows that his supporters are much more engaged than his detractors. If he is to be recalled, the proponents need to step up in a big way. But trumpism is on the wane, they probably don't have it together here.
50,000 people, stood in the rain to hear President Trump last week in rural Alabama.
49,000 will be counted as Biden voters, after the polls closed and then re-opened the next day.

Newsome doesn't need to do anything. Its very likely he has already won.

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Another new poll just came out also showing the recall failing by substantial numbers and also showing that Democrat turnout is increasing compared to how things looked a few weeks ago. However, this one is still just within the margin of error, but it its helping to establish a trend.

Elder is still at the top for the replacement election and the poll seems to also confirm that the Democratic vote is fragmenting amongst several candidates now, as opposed to being concentrated around Paffrath earlier.

Make sure to encourage others to vote! We're going to need every single one, I think.
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I see a lot of Elder vote here. Elder it is!! plus 2 from my house hold.
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I certainly hope I am wrong, but democrats already perfected the art of rigging, our best hope is the audit gives us some insights how the rigging works.
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I swear folks on hear are delusional....

A state where dems outnumber republican 2:1... Elder, being billed as "black Trump", which is not far off from the truth, bringing the dems out of their slumber....

... and folks on here are talking about "rigged elections"....

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I swear folks on hear are delusional....

A state where dems outnumber republican 2:1... Elder, being billed as "black Trump", which is not far off from the truth, bringing the dems out of their slumber....

... and folks on here are talking about "rigged elections"....

Ya, and I suppose the clown they found in So Cal with 300 plus ballots was a Republican?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/08/...thorities-say/
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Ya, and I suppose the clown they found in So Cal with 300 plus ballots was a Republican?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/08/...thorities-say/
That IS concerning, but my point is, with the rise of Elder, they ain't gonna need to cheat.

Once again, Republican politics is impervious to logic.

"YES! Let's embrace someone the left can easily and somewhat accurately frame as FAR RIGHT and scare their voters to the poles. That is SURE to not backfire on us!"

Anyway, probably a good thing if this fails. Elder would make a mess of things, NOT ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING (aside from a couple nice vetos probably), and just serve as an Iwo Jima flag for the dems to rally around next year in the election.

But hey, at least y'all would be able to squawk about "libruhl tears" for a year, that's what's important, right?
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Anyone who sincerely doesn't know the Democrats have a long and storied history of cheating in elections is a very special kind of ignorant. Tammany Hall? The Daley machine in Chicago? Hell, my grandmother showed up to vote in Kansas City in the 1930's and was told she already voted. That is when my grandfather started to fight against the Pendergast machine. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Pendergast ) To say nothing of the Southern Democrats in the early 1960's. But hey, maybe the Taliban will also be different this time?

Regardless of who you might want to replace him, the first vote is yes on recall.
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