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Old 10-13-2021, 6:37 AM
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Default Two more law enforcement officers found guilty of flipping off-roster guns

Gardena Police this time. It looks like the officer actually had a FFL, but he still earns a federal conviction for selling firearms without a license.

Newspaper article at https://www.dailybreeze.com/2021/10/...irearms-sales/:
As part of the scheme, Arao purchased the firearms — all Colt .38 Super-caliber handguns that were not available to the general public, but which could be legally purchased by law enforcement officers — through Ronin Tactical Group, a federal firearms licensee that Arao owned and operated.
Arao then transferred the guns to himself individually from the inventory of Ronin Tactical and re-sold 41 of them to non-law enforcement officers.
I'm curious how flagrant he was about it, and if he was like San Diego Sheriff's Captain Garmo, and just selling the guns for cash at the station, without paperwork. Considering that some people were guilty for purchasing, I'm guessing the transfers themselves were done in an illegal manner. Newspaper article says:
Previously in the case, six other defendants who illegally purchased firearms from Arao and Fernandez pleaded guilty and were sentenced, with two of those defendants being ordered to serve time in federal prison.
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US DOJ's press release at https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr...earms-business

Indictment available at https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...703654.1.0.pdf

Looks like there was a lot of straw purchases going on,

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Read the article and the ones linked to it and you get a better picture of Arao and his partner Fernandez.

From May 2016 to December 2017, Fernandez sold 10 firearms to a known convicted felon who could not legally buy the weapons, officials said.

The other article doesn't give a timeframe, but states Arao transferred the guns to himself individually from the inventory of Ronin Tactical and re-sold 41 of them. Presumably in the same timeframe.

Put all that together and it sounds like a relatively small number were sold without paperwork but most were done via PPT DROS. However the high number within a year (40+ each) definitely put them on DOJ's radar for exceeding the 5/year law.
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Risking generous full retirement pay plan, genius!
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Old 10-13-2021, 7:39 AM
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WTH was he thinking?
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Greed is a bad thing; causes people to do stupid stupid things. Most people I have know in life they got greedy and looked for ways around things etc never won in the end. Lost a career; right to possess guns forever over some quick money
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This is exactly what the roster was designed to do, tempting greed in a frenzy off-roster marketplace.
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Not very profitable either. Say he made an astonishing $500 per gun. That's $20K for the year, chump change for the risk. And he probably made half that.
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If he was willing to break the law in this case(s) for relatively small amounts of profit you have to wonder if he has been a “dirty cop” in his actual police work. Another cop earning the hate and tarnishing all cops for the actions of a few.
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Not very profitable either. Say he made an astonishing $500 per gun. That's $20K for the year, chump change for the risk. And he probably made half that.
With guns it’s usually the buying of a “must have” gun made of unobtanium that gives the endorphin rush. Not sure if selling an unobtanium gun will give me that rush for I usually have seller’s remorse.
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is it me... or are these the cartel favorite caliber?

all Colt .38 Super-caliber
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.38 Super is not a cartridge in military usage and many countries have restrictions on cartridges in military usage. So .38 Super and 9x21 are popular in those countries.
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.38 Super is my fave 1911 cartridge, hands down. Not that I don't love .45, but I'm a Long Colt man.
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is it me... or are these the cartel favorite caliber?

all Colt .38 Super-caliber
.38 super is a non military caliber and therefore can be owned in Mexico and yes, popular with the wealthy and the cartels.
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People are super flagrant an dumb and are aware of what they’re doing so I don’t feel bad. An officer I used to work with would buy 5 Glock 43’s at a time like every 8 weeks for 3 years. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
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My money says DOJ informant.
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38super 1911s might as well come with prepaid boxes for shipping to cartel.

When I was part of fast and furious those were the only 1911s cartel bought. SOem well over $10,000
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The five transactions per year rule is a good one to stick to. If you do you won't get in trouble. It does not matter who you are.
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38super 1911s might as well come with prepaid boxes for shipping to cartel.

When I was part of fast and furious those were the only 1911s cartel bought. SOem well over $10,000
You were part of fast & furious? Do you have time to type a story?
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So... what are their usernames here on Calguns?

And you KNOW they were surely here om Calguns at some point.

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Were it not for the roster I'd have far fewer guns, and not be hesitant to sell those I'm currently not interested in shooting, but keep for fear of never being able to replace.
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To say I wasn’t tempted on a few would be lying. Almost did it too. In the back of my mind was exactly this scenario. An LEO flipping off rosters for profit. Always scared me away.

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The rosters a joke, he really didn’t do anything wrong but he took the risk given the circumstances. Great paying job w a nice pension all for some OK profits from this side gig.
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The rosters a joke, he really didn’t do anything wrong but he took the risk given the circumstances. Great paying job w a nice pension all for some OK profits from this side gig.
Well, and if he did have an FFL and ownership of a gun store, he'll likely lose that too.

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wow wow wow, law enforcement career is gone, FFL is gone and he'll never legally own a gun again, triple whammy.......from the indictment.........."CARLOS MIGUEL FERNANDEZ also known as the38superman" , assuming all the guns weren't sold to informants or law enforcement I wonder if the government tries to claw them back from the buyers who did everything legal on their part.

this guy buried himself ten feet deep...

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You were part of fast & furious? Do you have time to type a story?
I told my story before. When I have time I will make a dedicated post.
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is it me... or are these the cartel favorite caliber?

all Colt .38 Super-caliber
That was my thought. As a non-military caliber, 38 Super would be popular in Mex?
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The most risky way for felons to get guns is by trying to acquire one through a purchase of any for kind for the direct hand off to the convicted felon as the next person to have it.

What an idiot cop to walk into all of that.
1) low profit high risk
2) I would think he could see a sting a mile away
3) THEY are watching. I personally go a visit from the ATF when I was living out of CA. I set of red flags when I went nuts buying as a free man.

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That was my thought. As a non-military caliber, 38 Super would be popular in Mex?
Yes. Colt is very well aware of it also. I have never sold a 38super to a non Latino.

Lew Horton used to make very high end Colt 1911s and the best ones were in 38super. How do you not say a $12,000+ COlt 38super called Jefe de Jefe is not intended for cartel bosses? I sold a few of those. Plus the Aztec, Day of the Dead, Jaquars, Emiliano Zapata, etc. Notihng in 38super under $5000 unless it was just a polished stainless.
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Lots of assumptions on this thread. The biggest one?

What makes you think these were some good guys who threw away a good job, retirement and all that for a measly amount of money? Please don't start with how they did their jobs, their commendations or performance reviews, people with stellar job performance are doing bad things all the time, no one knows until they get caught.

Unless you know them personally and even then you might not know, they could have been doing illegal things all along and just happened to get the jobs they had. Don't think criminals who haven't yet been caught don't get into these kinds of jobs?

The point is, for all the comments about how they threw this or that away for some chump change the cold reality is that they could have been doing bad things all a long, they finally got caught.

Its nice to think everyone who puts on a uniform and takes an oath does so because they are good people, the truth is that there are not all that way, some very dirt before they joined up, they either weren't caught or the managed to keep everything low key.
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Yes. Colt is very well aware of it also. I have never sold a 38super to a non Latino.

Lew Horton used to make very high end Colt 1911s and the best ones were in 38super. How do you not say a $12,000+ COlt 38super called Jefe de Jefe is not intended for cartel bosses? I sold a few of those. Plus the Aztec, Day of the Dead, Jaquars, Emiliano Zapata, etc. Notihng in 38super under $5000 unless it was just a polished stainless.
engraved 14k gold inlay with Pancho Villas face carved into the pearl grips, gaudiest thing I have ever seen (apart from a scope on an AK) you couldn't pay me to own it, to each his own I suppose.


I've seen this quote several places, no idea if it's true, .......

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LEO's retirement pension is more lucrative than your average joe blow and than some. And he throw that away!
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engraved 14k gold inlay with Pancho Villas face carved into the pearl grips, gaudiest thing I have ever seen (apart from a scope on an AK) you couldn't pay me to own it, to each his own I suppose.


I've seen this quote several places, no idea if it's true, .......
it's true. 38super and .380 is very popular other than shotshells. No MIL calibers. It s all snuck into Mexico.
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it's true. 38super and .380 is very popular other than shotshells. No MIL calibers. It s all snuck into Mexico.
How about .223 is that considered military?
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How about .223 is that considered military?
YES!

THE CATCH. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firear...tion_in_Mexico

Mexico has a RKBA in their constitution that mirrors our 2A. Problem being that they ALSO ONLY have ONE government authorized FFL [Federali Firearms License] in the country. It is located in Mexico City, and OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE GOVERNMENT.

Any firearm in the country, that was not sold to a properly government authorized citizen by THAT FFL. Is in fact "AN ILLEGALLY POSSESSED GUN".
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Wonder what's the reason for no military calibers.
One effect is that it limits the guns you can have. ARs for example, firing cartridges other than .223/5.56 aren't exactly a popular thing anywhere but the USA. Eliminate 7.62/.308/.223/5.56/9mm/45 and just a few others and you are left with bolt guns, shotguns and thats about it.

Look what a roster did in CA although a different reason was used.

The whole idea of LE being allowed to sell off their off-roster guns stinks anyway. While its a source of guns otherwise not obtainable by the masses it just creates a special privilege where none should exist. Make everyone have to deal with the roster and see how fast a bunch of people get real vocal about it.
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Old 10-14-2021, 8:42 PM
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So... what are their usernames here on Calguns?

And you KNOW they were surely here om Calguns at some point.

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You can tell when someone is flipping by the number of trades. When I saw a high number trader I used to pm them and ask "are you a dealer?" and usually don't get a reply and the delete the listing.
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