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Old 09-29-2021, 12:31 PM
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Default CDC gun grabbing attempts underway

NPR reports that the CDC has implemented another new study on "gun violence" after labeling it a public health threat, and in response, aims to "craft swift interventions," as they have done for COVID (because we all know what a great job they've done on that).


https://www.npr.org/2021/09/29/10399...l-guns-america


This isn't about public health, folks.
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If they start in Chicago I might almost believe it.

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Old 09-29-2021, 1:22 PM
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Good luck with that.
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And a couple of days ago:

"California gun owners will soon have their personal information released to gun-violence researchers across the country.

Governor Gavin Newsom (D.) signed Assembly Bill 173 into law on Thursday. The bill requires the California Department of Justice to supply information identifying firearm and ammunition purchasers to a newly created research center at the University of California Davis or any other university that requests them. The information includes details such as the buyer’s name, address, date of birth, what they purchased, when and where they bought it, and more."

https://thereload.com/new-california...l-information/

There are sinister things afoot...
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Old 09-29-2021, 3:19 PM
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Its no wonder why so many ignore, distrust and will not take any CDC advice .

They have proven themselves political hacks, not worthy of even cursory consideration.

This is another good example of why they cannot be trusted.
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And a couple of days ago:

"California gun owners will soon have their personal information released to gun-violence researchers across the country.

Governor Gavin Newsom (D.) signed Assembly Bill 173 into law on Thursday. The bill requires the California Department of Justice to supply information identifying firearm and ammunition purchasers to a newly created research center at the University of California Davis or any other university that requests them. The information includes details such as the buyer’s name, address, date of birth, what they purchased, when and where they bought it, and more."

https://thereload.com/new-california...l-information/

There are sinister things afoot...
Wintemute is a charlatan, borderline criminal and huckster. He makes his living literally stealing from CA tax payers.
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Who votes for these liberal morons.....
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National, not CA specific, so moved.
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They are emboldened by their new powers handed to them by Biden. Soon they will training their new armed enforcement division. Along with OSHA
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You don't show proof you handed in your guns, you get fired.
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You don't show proof you handed in your guns, you get fired.
Not far off.

Just think ,in the near future, the CDC declare that possession of firearms a health/safety hazard. Your employer scans UC Berkleys gun owner database and see that you own evil guns. They then make a condition of your employment that your firearms be disposed of. They are not the Government so they are not confined by the second ammendment and can make the terms of your employment whatever they want, correct?

Two years ago I would have told myself to take off the tin foil hat, not today.
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Wonder how well the CDC big shots are protected. Betting they are in heavily armed, gated compounds, protected by Private security firms.
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And a couple of days ago:

"California gun owners will soon have their personal information released to gun-violence researchers across the country.

Governor Gavin Newsom (D.) signed Assembly Bill 173 into law on Thursday. The bill requires the California Department of Justice to supply information identifying firearm and ammunition purchasers to a newly created research center at the University of California Davis or any other university that requests them. The information includes details such as the buyer’s name, address, date of birth, what they purchased, when and where they bought it, and more."

https://thereload.com/new-california...l-information/

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The sharing of PRIVATE information is prohibited in Article 1 Section 1 of the California Constitution. Everyone has the Inalienable Right to PRIVACY in the State.

This should be easy to get overturned as unconstitutional.
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Since when did the right to privacy stop these duckweed from their agenda?
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Who votes for these liberal morons.....
leeches and those rich enough to not be impacted by any of this.
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The article has art of 3 white people followed by anecdotes of 3 white people, how very racist. The FBI universal crime report clearly shows blacks bear the brunt of gun violence. Yet they are nowhere to be found in that article. I know why but it does a terrible disservice to whatever they are trying to accomplish, ostensibly to limit gun violence. Living in Oakland, I can say for sure the victims that get shot and survive are by and large, members of the black community. Again they will get lip service only, stores will close in their neighborhoods, and they will be right where they've always been, with all the attention on white people. Sad. What will it take for stop and frisk to become necessary again?
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CDC Study on Gun Violence DESTROYS Obama's New Gun Control Push

When at first you don't succeed...

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Well... At least they're acknowledging that suicides is the driver of "gun violence."

America has a gun violence problem. What do we do about it?

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...It is seen as the scourge of urban living in some cases but also penetrates deeply into suburban and rural America. And many times, the victims are the gun owners themselves or their loved ones, either through suicide or accidental shootings. There are also the 2,606 gun deaths by law enforcement between 2015 and 2019, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

While homicides account for much of the carnage and terror associated with gun violence, the most recent data from health officials shows that suicides account for the bulk -- over 60% -- of gun deaths in America. And gun injuries, while they rarely make the news, put a tremendous burden on both American families and the health care system, according to health researchers...

Active shooter situations represent just one kind of mass shooting. But even that wider category resulted in a mere 1% of all of the 191,897 gun deaths between 2015 and 2019, according to the Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit which identifies mass shootings as cases in which four or more people are shot, and tracks them through public data, news reports and other sources. Mass shootings accounted for 2.8% of all of the 74,565 gun homicides during that five-year period, the GVA data showed.

"It's a rare anomaly," Kris Brown, president of the nonprofit advocacy group Brady: United Against Gun Violence, told ABC News of mass shootings.

"What you don't hear about and what people don't assess is for every story of a mass shooting, there are, on average, 300 [other] stories, most of them suicide, that are never told," Brown said...

Brown told ABC News that every year on average 33,242 people are unintentionally shot. Over 98% of these unintentional shooting incidents resulted in injuries and not deaths, according to the CDC data.

These include incidents where a gun goes off when someone thought it was unloaded, or a child was playing with a gun, according to Brown.

"A big proportion of [those incidents] is people with guns in their homes," she said...

Half of all suicide deaths in the U.S. are from guns, the data showed. And while only 10% of attempted suicides involve guns, the high percentage of fatalities from gun suicides reflects the fact that roughly 87% of all gun suicide attempts are successful, according to a Brady: United Against Gun Violence analysis of CDC data from those years.

Another 17,770 people were injured by a gun suicide attempt during that period, according to the CDC.

While Black men are disproportionately impacted by gun homicides, over 100,000 white Americans died by suicide with a gun between 2015 and 2019, according to the CDC -- representing 85% of all gun suicides during the five-year period.

In fact, the rate of gun suicides among white Americans was more than 2 1/2 times greater than Black Americans, CDC data showed. The majority of gun suicide victims are white men between the ages of 45 and 65...

Access to a gun is more likely to lead a person to use it on more than just one person, Webster said...

Experts who have been studying gun violence say people are more likely to find common ground when the focus is taken off mass shootings and it is instead approached as a multi-faceted problem...

He and other advocates acknowledged that a safe storage law doesn't solve all of the issues surrounding gun violence, such as domestic incidents and gang-related violence, but say that it sheds light on how to build consensus and come up with solutions...
What I draw from the piece overall is that they are about to change the narrative using CDC data as their touchstone. The overarching point remains the same; i.e., that guns are 'bad' and 'access' only ends up in bad results such as suicide. But, what they seem intent on is moving the narrative away from the headlines and attempting to make it more personal by going after the idea that just owning a gun, having it in your household at all, puts you at and others at risk. In other words, the "safe storage laws" are just the beginning in terms of limiting access.

Didn't we go through this with a Supreme Court case once? If I recall, wasn't the case about limiting access in the home and brought by... oh... what was the guy's name? Ummm... Dick Heller?
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gun studies aren't the problem, politicians who use and abuse them are.

The Dickey Amendment in 1996 stated "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) may be used to advocate or promote gun control." and modified in 2018 due to Azar's interpretation allowed for gun research but can't use government funds to promote gun control.
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