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Old 02-11-2019, 5:02 PM
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I know that standard capacity magazine kits cannot be shipped to California. But what about parts, like springs and followers. If someone already has the body and base plate but needs a replacement spring? All the things I've found are talking about the magazine in general but nothing about wear and tear items
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Kits consist of parts, and since the kits are no go, the parts are no go.
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AFAIK individual wear parts like springs and followers are still available.
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Old 02-11-2019, 6:57 PM
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Kits consist of parts, and since the kits are no go, the parts are no go.
That hasn't been defined in the statute as far as I've heard.
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That hasn't been defined in the statute as far as I've heard.
I could very well be wrong, I'll look up where I pulled that from awhile back.

Something to do with having parts to make up a standard capacity magazine or the like.

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I could very well be wrong, I'll look up where I pulled that from awhile back.

Something to do with having parts to make up a standard capacity magazine or the like.
Nobody knows what makes a 'large-capacity magazine conversion kit' - nothing in Penal Code, nothing in Code of Regulations, and no known court cases offer any guidance.
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Seems clear to me...it’s whatever law enforcement wants it to be....
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32311. (b) For purposes of this section, a “large capacity magazine conversion kit” is a device or combination of parts of a fully functioning large-capacity magazine, including, but not limited to, the body, spring, follower, and floor plate or end plate, capable of converting an ammunition feeding device into a large-capacity magazine.
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I just need a GI mag body, I bent the feed lips during a double feed but everything else is good to go.
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I know that standard capacity magazine kits cannot be shipped to California. But what about parts, like springs and followers. If someone already has the body and base plate but needs a replacement spring? All the things I've found are talking about the magazine in general but nothing about wear and tear items
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I just need a GI mag body, I bent the feed lips during a double feed but everything else is good to go.
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This is my only account. I thought only springs and followers were allowed given the fact that it's not a magazine. I'd consider the body itself as a magazine.
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A body by itself can't feed ammo any more than a spring or follower by themselves, other than maybe for a Gatling gun.
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If a “conversion kit” is a combination of parts, then I suppose that means you can only buy one part at a time.
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Seems clear to me...it’s whatever law enforcement wants it to be....
"combination of parts of a fully functioning large-capacity magazine"

Whats clear to me is the above line basically means ALL the parts necessary to make a functioning magazine. You leave one part out, it is no longer a "kit." So I would say yes, just buying a hi cap body or just a spring is legal. YMMV
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That hasn't been defined in the statute as far as I've heard.
agreed, but I am sure there are no test dummies that want to be the test case
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I just need a GI mag body, I bent the feed lips during a double feed but everything else is good to go.
? how easy is that to fix without ordering a new body?

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"combination of parts of a fully functioning large-capacity magazine"

Whats clear to me is the above line basically means ALL the parts necessary to make a functioning magazine. You leave one part out, it is no longer a "kit." So I would say yes, just buying a hi cap body or just a spring is legal. YMMV
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"combination of parts of a fully functioning large-capacity magazine"

Whats clear to me is the above line basically means ALL the parts necessary to make a functioning magazine. You leave one part out, it is no longer a "kit." So I would say yes, just buying a hi cap body or just a spring is legal. YMMV
That understanding seems logical to me as well.

The problem is that left leaning courts don't always seem to agree with what conservatives believe is logical.
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I tried to buy some mag springs years ago and no online store would sell them to California.

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agreed, but I am sure there are no test dummies that want to be the test case
anyone buy those magpul ranger base plates at any time?

then you have bought a part of a magazine and already "tested" this.
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One could focus on the specific language of the statute:
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32311. (b) For purposes of this section, a “large capacity magazine conversion kit” is a device or combination of parts of a fully functioning large-capacity magazine, including, but not limited to, the body, spring, follower, and floor plate or end plate, capable of converting an ammunition feeding device into a large-capacity magazine.
The question to be answered is what was the intent of the Legislature in passing this? What did they intend to do?

To prove the intent of the author and the Legislature in passing this crap, one could use the statement (Page 9, first paragraph, Bill Analysis, Senate Public Safety, 1 Jul 2013), {that’s what the Courts would look at} made by the bill’s author during legislative hearings, that:
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Additionally, AB 48 makes it illegal to manufacture, import into the state, keep for sale, or offer or expose for sale, or give, lend, buy, or receive a “large capacity magazine conversation kit” that allows users to convert regular ammunition magazines into illegal military-style large-capacity magazines that can fire more than ten rounds of ammunition without reloading.
How one would use such a “kit” to “...convert regular (10-rd) ammunition magazines...,” into an LCM is beyond my understanding.
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Keep it in storage until you move to a free state and can freely repair it. In the meantime, use more expendable mags like converted PMAGs.
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I tried to buy some mag springs years ago and no online store would sell them to California.

Good Luck.
I've found out-of-state vendors that will sell/ship springs, followers, and base plates seperately (had to be all same parts in each order) to CA.

Have not found any out-of-state vendors that will sell/ship magazine bodies to CA.
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? how easy is that to fix without ordering a new body?

Well it’s easier to just order a new mag body and not have to deal with the feed lips and bending them back and forth trying to get them to work.
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