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Old 12-07-2018, 7:41 PM
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I am going to be moving to California within the next year. Is there a limit to how many firearms I can import? I have 30 serialized firearms.

From what I see, I can't find any problem with that. Except for having to attach 9 extra pages to the forms.

Anyone have any experience or ideas?

Here is the from. https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...s/ab991frm.pdf
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Old 12-07-2018, 7:45 PM
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There is no limit.

Fee is $19 per submission with no limit to the amount per submission.
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Old 12-07-2018, 7:49 PM
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Does it raise any questions from the government? Im hoping that importing 30 vs importing 1 is the same thing.
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Old 12-07-2018, 8:03 PM
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I am going to be moving to California within the next year. Is there a limit to how many firearms I can import? I have 30 serialized firearms.

From what I see, I can't find any problem with that. Except for having to attach 9 extra pages to the forms.

Anyone have any experience or ideas?

Here is the from. https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...s/ab991frm.pdf
As said above by Quiet, there is not limit on the amount. But, no Assault Weapons, magazines over 10 rounds or NFA items. Any center fire semiauto AR or AK style rifles will need to be featureless or have fixed magazines. Pick up all of the off roster, ie not on the CA roster, handguns you will want before you leave, because once here they will be expensive, it you can even find them. And they will be worth 150 to 175% of retail.

If you have a choice, pick a dark green county if you have any desire to get a CA CCW.
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Old 12-07-2018, 8:11 PM
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Does it raise any questions from the government? Im hoping that importing 30 vs importing 1 is the same thing.
No, but submit them all at once, within 60 days of becoming a resident, so you only have to pay one $19 fee.

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Old 12-07-2018, 9:09 PM
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There is no limit on how many weapons you can bring in as a new resident. Just make sure, as previous posters have pointed out, that your weapons are in a California-legal configuration.

They don't need to be on the safe handgun roster, that only applies to FFL sales and some PC 27585 imports.

But one caution. Bring in all your weapons when you come in as a new resident. If you import weapons after you become a resident, then you have to ship them to an FFL for release to you and the roster will apply to any handguns that you acquired after 2015. Make sure you understand the differences in importation procedures under PC 27560 and 27585.
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Old 12-07-2018, 9:16 PM
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Thanks everyone for replies!
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Old 12-08-2018, 11:03 AM
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No limit on how many you bring in, BUT if you acquire many prior to moving you could raise a suspicion that you are not a personal firearm importer but are doing business in firearms without a license. Not a problem if these have been acquired over the years.
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No limit on how many you bring in, BUT if you acquire many prior to moving you could raise a suspicion that you are not a personal firearm importer but are doing business in firearms without a license. Not a problem if these have been acquired over the years.
How would CA know when they were acquired? If a person lived in a state that accepted their CCW in lieu of a background check, only the FFL would know when that firearm was acquired.

I do agree if the person engaged in more than 5 transactions, after becoming a CA resident, that would raise this issue.

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How would CA know when they were acquired? If a person lived in a state that accepted their CCW in lieu of a background check, only the FFL would know when that firearm was acquired.

I do agree if the person engaged in more than 5 transactions, after becoming a CA resident, that would raise this issue.
On the DOJ form it asks you when each firearm was acquired.
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Old 12-08-2018, 7:56 PM
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On the DOJ form it asks you when each firearm was acquired.
So, how do you think they would respond if you said: When I was a resident of state X and before leaving for CA.
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BUT if you acquire many prior to moving you could raise a suspicion that you are not a personal firearm importer but are doing business in firearms without a license. .
Easy to explain: I thought I'd like X gun and noticed it wouldn't be available to me in CA so I decided to buy it. Tried it after I arrived and didn't like it so I sold it.
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So, how do you think they would respond if you said: When I was a resident of state X and before leaving for CA.
If I remember correctly, there was a box for specific dates.

There's only so many times one can move to California and meet all the requirements in terms of working in another state for xxx months full time etc and having filed income taxes in that other state etc.

It's not one of those things where you get multiple chances to mess around and see what happens.
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Correct. They ask for the date it was acquired. It is unlikely that anyone will bat an eye if you purchase a few before to and sell them soon after moving to California. Do that with too many, whatever that number may be, and you may receive some unwanted attention. It's a question of fact whether or not you get prosecuted.
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Easy to explain: I thought I'd like X gun and noticed it wouldn't be available to me in CA so I decided to buy it. Tried it after I arrived and didn't like it so I sold it.
Buy a single X gun and who is going to care, but buy 20 copies of the same model and sell them off shortly after moving and you may get a hard look or more. That look may end with a prosecution depending on the facts. Were you lining up buyers before the move? Did you finance the purchases with a short term loan? Had you previously demonstrated any interested in gun ownership? Was there a previous internet history of you looking into the most profitable off roster guns to sell in California?
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As said above by Quiet, there is not limit on the amount. But, no Assault Weapons, magazines over 10 rounds or NFA items. Any center fire semiauto AR or AK style rifles will need to be featureless or have fixed magazines. Pick up all of the off roster, ie not on the CA roster, handguns you will want before you leave, because once here they will be expensive, it you can even find them. And they will be worth 150 to 175% of retail.

If you have a choice, pick a dark green county if you have any desire to get a CA CCW.
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How do I legally bring firearms into the state if Iím just filling out the New Resident Firearm Form and paying $19? Do I just bring them with my household goods when the movers pickup my stuff? Do I have to send them to an FFL? Do I have to fly with them? (Iím moving from Hawaii to California is why I ask)

Secondly, how do I register handguns with the state? I know handguns must be registered when moving into the state. Is it just the New Resident Firearm Form that I have to fill out?
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How do I legally bring firearms into the state if Iím just filling out the New Resident Firearm Form and paying $19? Do I just bring them with my household goods when the movers pickup my stuff? Do I have to send them to an FFL? Do I have to fly with them? (Iím moving from Hawaii to California is why I ask)

Secondly, how do I register handguns with the state? I know handguns must be registered when moving into the state. Is it just the New Resident Firearm Form that I have to fill out?
Answers bolded.

Although we do hear stories of pilferage in transit, so if the number is manageable, hand-carry might be better.
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What can CA do if you decide to bring 100 Glock 42s purchased yesterday?

I don't believe they can legally do anything.

It isn't until you try to sell all 100 the first week you get into CA that you might get into trouble. If I recall, the litmus test is selling guns infrequently. The number I've heard thrown around is five per year.
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Answers bolded.

Although we do hear stories of pilferage in transit, so if the number is manageable, hand-carry might be better.
Thank you! Iím glad to hear that I donít have to go through an FFL.
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This is closest to the scenario I am questioning. From what I understand, a new resident to CA has 60-days to register their out-of-state firearm with CA after arriving.
My question is, would it be better to sell an out of state off-roster handgun prior to moving to CA or is there a way to later PPT off-roster handguns as a CA resident to non-exempt individuals?

(I have a non-direct family member moving to CA from FL. They legally own off-roster handguns and want to thin the herd either prior or after moving to CA. Interfamily is out and I am not exempt but I am obviously interested in this opportunity.

I appreciate the clarification in advance.

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https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...0.&lawCode=PEN
It is legal for one CA resident to sell an off-Roster handgun to another CA resident, using a CA FFL to mediate a "PPT".

Selling is an option a new resident may choose over registering guns that new resident has brought in.
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It is legal for one CA resident to sell an off-Roster handgun to another CA resident, using a CA FFL to mediate a "PPT".

Selling is an option a new resident may choose over registering guns that new resident has brought in.
Thank you for the clairification!
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Boy, I'm so glad that I didn't have to move out there, but it almost happened. I just read through this thread and my head was spinning and those flow charts...WTF!!!! Hope you enjoy the weather tacticool1, that's all you will enjoy.
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