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Old 05-25-2021, 1:11 PM
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Old 05-28-2021, 6:37 AM
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It a great place to work during National and State emergencies.

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Old 05-30-2021, 4:48 PM
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SSG Taylor,

Hope all is well. I know this has been around before, just make certain that you tell them EVERYTHING, especially if they have a solid, career track, good salary job.

Just for reference: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1583944

Multiple MUTA 8s and 10s per year, last minute notifications to employers, multiple annual trainings per year, sometimes last minute, USERRA/EGSR limited protections depending on job, the fact that neither advocates for you specifically, and tell you need to tell them honestly why the Guard is hemhorraging people to the active Army and to the Reserves, etc.

If they are still interested, by all means tell them all the great things as well.

Just be open and honest about EVERYTHING. I have zero issues with recruiting, and I help recruiters all the time, but I also hold nothing back and volunteer a lot of information that may not be helpful to a recruiter. Once they know everything, then I ask them: Still interested?

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Iíve been serving for 26 years now and I have recruited about a 1/4 of my recruits from the reserves, I will not put it out here for everyone to see the reasons why they transitioned to us to continue their service.
I have served in the active marines for 4 years, USMC reserves for 2 years. After 911 in joined active army for 3 years and went National Guard after that and ever since. I tell applicants my experiences and then tell them about what the Guard is doing now and what we did last year. So they know that they can be called up. I donít talk bad about other services.
Please note I wasn't saying anything about talking bad about other services. In case you missed it, I spent nearly 18 years in the Guard. You may have missed the entire point of what I was saying.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You won't do it, so I will do it for you in the name of transparency so that anyone considering joining has benefit of both sides.

Do you tell your applicants about the last minute issues with training schedules? Lack of mentorship by many, if not most NCOs and officers? Bad leadership? How about the inability to get promoted because of lack of ability to get into schools because the money was used for something else?

How about the KNOWN rift and acrimony between full time staff and M-Day/TPU? You know that there is a differenc in treatment, and since most of the Guard/Reserves are part timers, there is a difference, right? If you don't then you've been a full timer too long.

Yes, there are a lot of people who go into the Guard, only to regret the decision, as they come to realize that remaining active duty was the better decision.

Many regret the decision because recruiters didn't tell them they would be almost treated as active duty, but without the pay?

How about the fact that USERRA and ESGR can't actually help them by advocacy, but only suggest things to their employers? That the poor 19 year old SPC is on his friggin own to solve the issue with his employer? If you want to know how this happens, I can explain it.

How about field drills with terrible conditions, sleeping out in the cold and wet only to watch senior leaders avail themselves of warm bunks and their own vehicles to bring out amenities? In 18 years, I have only seen 1 Guard leader of the rank of O-5 or higher ever actually spend the night in the field like his Soldiers? as a 1LT for 2 years in a particular unit, I was the ONLY OFFICER that actually pitched a one man pup tent in the field with an entire battalion's worth of Soldiers while the officers had warming tents, hot coffee and personal amenities not available to the troops?

If you won't be a gatekeeper, making certain that even prior service folks know, then we as leaders have to content with disgruntled Soldiers we are helpless to assist.

The end of this rant is simply this: you need to make sure that they understand just what kind of fouled up circus this can be at times. And no...telling them "oh it has it's days" is not enough. Explain some of the things I've mentioned. If their still good, them by all means you have done your job.
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This is like a checklist of my experience in the Guard

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Do you tell your applicants about the last minute issues with training schedules? Check.
Lack of mentorship by many, if not most NCOs and officers? Check.
Bad leadership? Check.
How about the inability to get promoted because of lack of ability to get into schools because the money was used for something else? Check.

How about the KNOWN rift and acrimony between full time staff and M-Day/TPU? N/A

Yes, there are a lot of people who go into the Guard, only to regret the decision, as they come to realize that remaining active duty was the better decision. Yes, should have stayed active.

Many regret the decision because recruiters didn't tell them they would be almost treated as active duty, but without the pay? I was told I would regret it, I was too dumb to listen.

How about the fact that USERRA and ESGR can't actually help them by advocacy, but only suggest things to their employers? That the poor 19 year old SPC is on his friggin own to solve the issue with his employer? If you want to know how this happens, I can explain it. It is difficult to explain to your employer why "weekends" in the Guard start on Thursday or Friday month after month. These laws only help you if your employer is dumb enough to fire or take unfavorable actions on you and tell you that Reserves/Guard is the reason. If only they were that dumb. You get fired for some other random thing "for the record". The union I was in had to advocate for me on several occasions.

How about field drills with terrible conditions, sleeping out in the cold and wet only to watch senior leaders avail themselves of warm bunks and their own vehicles to bring out amenities? So many times.
In 18 years, I have only seen 1 Guard leader of the rank of O-5 or higher ever actually spend the night in the field like his Soldiers? as a 1LT for 2 years in a particular unit, I was the ONLY OFFICER that actually pitched a one man pup tent in the field with an entire battalion's worth of Soldiers while the officers had warming tents, hot coffee and personal amenities not available to the troops? My fave was when another Joe and I put up a pretty substantial shelter that we planned to share with the squad before a rain storm. As it began to rain the company commander told us to go do some "guard duty" and proceeded to move into our shelter. When we returned he said we are too wet and will get everything wet and he needed to work and to go sleep with our heads in the mud and that we should like it because we are infantry. If I ever recognize that guy in real life...

The end of this rant is simply this: you need to make sure that they understand just what kind of fouled up circus this can be at times. And no...telling them "oh it has it's days" is not enough. Explain some of the things I've mentioned. Please. Please do. I often found I was treated far less professionally in the Guard compared to when I was AD. If their still good, them by all means you have done your job.
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Just curious, what is the age limit for someone who served 6 years Army Reserve and left with honorable discharge as an e4?
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I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?
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So being 61 with a new hip it's a no go?
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So being 61 with a new hip it's a no go?
Depends how many years are left on the warranty for the hip.
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The NG and USAR on the surface put themselves out as 1 weekend a month two weeks a year (I've also heard from time to time "no less than two weeks" a year).

Those units exist. They are out there (1 weekend/mo + two weeks/yr) they do exist, but they are not the units being pushed to recruiters to fill.

Just in general, in the laws of economics and supply and demand, signing bonuses are tied to jobs that are hard to fill will applicants. There are two ways that make jobs hard to fill.

1) Jobs require a high degree of skill and training that take a long time to acquire (brain surgeon for example, or Special Forces in a military context).
2) Jobs flat out suck (sewage tech, or mortuary affairs in a military context).

A lot is spoke about the education benefits of the NG/USAR, but the fat college scholarship type stuff like the GI Bill is prorated based on the amount of time you spend on active duty. Which could actually technically be never. I have 10 years in and I am not 100% vested in the GI Bill. If I never deployed I would be 0% vested. The GI Bill could be worthless, and with pulling out of Afghanistan it looks like a lot less opportunity to rack up GI Bill Time.

Now........ There is a $4500 annual tuition assistance program,but that only applies so long as you are in the NG/USAR. But now your academic program is in potential conflict with your Annual Military Training which can derail an entire academic semester. So that can add years to your graduation timeline.

As well, the $4500 tuition assistance is no more or less on par with just about every single other corporate sponsored tuition program, and those employers wont usually cause an academic conflict that lasts for up to a month. At worst, they will only disrupt you shift by shift. They wont come and say, remember those 2 weeks we were going to have our training in July (so it worked perfectly to avoid a school conflict), Well, now we are changing it to March-April, and it's going to be 4 weeks instead.

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One just doesn't know what they are going to get until they get to the unit they signed up for.

Now........ My unit is exactly like that. I found heaven. Our mission is tied to the continental USA so we are not going anywhere, and we have no equipment of any sort. So largely, we piggy back our soldiers onto various multiple annual exercises in order to get our 2 weeks a year in. So by that very nature we can pick and choose and work it into our civilian lives pretty well.


Hell, we even have Hawaii exercises. I haven't done it yet, but if I plan it right, I can fly out there free on the Army dime, my family can follow to time it as my exercise ends, and then start a family vacation and then return home.

These kinds of units exits, but you are not going to walk into one via a recruiter. But to get there, after serving in my last unit over 4 years, and driving more than 400 miles each way during those 4 years it still took the approval of one Lt. Col, two Full Col's, and a General to approve my transfer as a LT into a unit 30 miles from home, into a primary vacancy, into a position I am qualified for, and a rank billet I can promote into.

Now that I am here, I am staying put.
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I loved my time in the guard, but there are more pitfalls now than there used to be.
Combat MOS? Very real chance of getting activated and deployed, overseas. In a war.
I joined the guard to protect American soil. Volunteered for every fire & flood duty in my region. Got activated for Loma Prieta. Did homeless shelter duty. Worked on the Bush border wall.
That's why I joined.
Found out the hard way, that the VA education benefits are null and void if you go inactive for 366 days in the middle of your enlistment.
After a brief conversation with the I.G. about beach of contract, got out after that.

A few years later, my entire unit was deployed to Iraq.

National Guard. Deployed overseas.

They don't talk about that much when you join the Guard.
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Sounds like my cousins NG story. Firefighter/EMT, became a flightmedic on a Blackhawk. Then got shipped to Bosnia for a tour. Then a tour in Iraq. Then Afganastan. Then another in Iraq. 25 years and 3 marriages later he laughs at the "One weekend a month/2 weeks a year" line they fed him.
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It a great place to work during National and State emergencies.
SSG Taylor,

Changing what you wrote from the beginning isn't going to make the job different.

Have you read what some people here are writing? Share those stories with your potential recruits. This is a moral duty to those coming in, especially in a profession where they could be told to take up arms against people.

I won't even get into the concept that Posse Cumitatus does not apply to the Guard in the same way it does to the T10 folks or Army reserve, so you might put that in a briefing somewhere because I can tell you FOR CERTAIN that this has come up with folks even before they signed on the dotted line.

Just a suggestion...
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/\ what he said. /\

I neglected to mention that some in my unit went to the Rodney King riots.
That (fortunately) was a volunteer mission, to which my response was, "f*** that, sir."
That being said, as a specialist who had trained in defensive tactics and baton techniques in civilian life, I trained the platoon in (based on precedent at the time) cursory baton use and legal use of force.
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Like I said before, I will not talk bad about other branches and will not tell as to why I have enlisted about a 1/4 of my applicants from other branches and the complaints they had.
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Nobody is suggesting that you speak badly about other branches. They are asking you to disclose the truth about the ARNG, both good and bad.
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How about the fact that USERRA and ESGR can't actually help them by advocacy, but only suggest things to their employers? That the poor 19 year old SPC is on his friggin own to solve the issue with his employer? If you want to know how this happens, I can explain it.
Boom... I went down this road when I deployed. When I approached my command with concerns they said "You can find another job..." zero support. Went ESGR got no where, then filed with DOL. Long story short I got my job back next week after the DOL served them with a lawsuit... minus 6 months of pay.

Also ended up with a jacked up back and neck from deployment. Another gem from command "You have Tricare, you'll be fine"... dafuq?

Almost $12k out of pocket later, a loss my E5 promotion 2 years ago, and quite possibly one of the fastest VA disability turnarounds (one week from exam to 70%) ever I've almost broken even.


I also went the OCS route early on. It's very obvious where the problems stem from. It's extraordinarily shady, they will find ways to fail someone and bend rules to get others who are failing to pass.

YMMV but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone with an established career, it's absolutely destroyed mine.
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Like I said before, I will not talk bad about other branches and will not tell as to why I have enlisted about a 1/4 of my applicants from other branches and the complaints they had.
You completely missed it. I did not say talk bad about OTHER branches, I said give them the garbage about our own. And yes, I said our own. As I said, I was a Guardsman for 18 years...I'm proud to have served, even if it was with leadership that could not inspire me to follow them out of a burning house.

And this is why so many people can't stand recruiters. You are knowingly, willingly, and willfully keeping relevant information from possible recruits that would effect whether or not they may actually sign up.

Leading the units to have to deal with the mess later when the bill of goods they were sold and left either holding an empty bag or one full of poop.
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