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Old 09-13-2018, 7:36 PM
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Default Tomahawk, machete or crowbar for bug out bag

Which do you think would be most useful all around (i.e. defense/cutting wood/food prep/breaking locks)? Granted there are some survival multi-tools but most cost an arm and a leg such as the gerber tomahawk.
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I think if your actually asking about putting any of those things in a bug out bag then I would suggest just going full on Samurai sword.
You know you wanna.
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Hatchet with flat back so you can also use as a hammer, a folding saw for cutting wood, a Ka Bar knife and an Old Timer Sharpfinger or Uncle Henry Golden Spike for food prep or what ever, a wet stone, a sharpening steel and a couple files so you can keep everything sharp and cutting good.
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Old 09-13-2018, 8:34 PM
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Machete, small pry bar, and Chinese throwing stars.
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Hatchet, it’s a hammer and mini axe. If you need to get into buildings forget a crowbar. Just break a window. It’s way easier.
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It really depends where you think you're going to be going if it's the woods or you think you'll need a defensive knife against living things. I like a smaller lightweight kukri knives but not too light weight. K bar and a few others make good versions that won't break the bank.

As for needing a hammer in the woods you can usually find a big rock for the relatively few times you will need a hammer.

Same could be said for breaking into doors, because almost all buildings have a few glass windows and even if they're coated with security fillm that heavy duty Scotch tape is not that hard to defeat if you have time.

That said, I have seen a guy walking around town with a roofers axe in a holster on his belt and no one gives it a second glance (because maybe they think he's just a roofer on lunch break?). I think estwing makes a relatively inexpensive version or two.

So something like that might be good if you want to be more low-key.
Okay it's not that low-key but it looks better than a kukri knife hanging from your belt.

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I will take one of these
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Croval.

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It depends on where you're going. If you need to get through a big city then a Stanley FUBAR is going to get you into or through many man made areas. If you are going to survive in the wilderness the a tomahawk might serve you better for making shelters, etc. If finances are a huge concern you can get prybars on craiglist, thrift stores, etc. for next to nothing.
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"defense/cutting wood/food prep/breaking locks"

6lb flat axe/sharp folding pocket knife/bolt cutters and or a 10lb sledge hammer for stubborn gate or door locks respectively.

Out of that group the 6lb flat axe can do a locked door, chop wood and if wielding it like a Viking Berserker, may possibly achieve an involuntary fecal evacuation by your enemy.

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As for needing a hammer in the woods you can usually find a big rock for the relatively few times you will need a hammer.
Unless you have a tent. Would suck driving tent stakes or any stakes into ground with a rock when you could just flip the hatchet over and hammer them in.
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crowbar...
has many uses other than just a weapon
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A medium size folding knife (buck 110) and a 2.25lb boys ax are my go to's...
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What transport method? Do you have a vehicle or is this a bag you may need to actually carry?

The best compact combination weapon/chopping implement IMHO is the kukri, just make sure it is not a cheap skinny one. If you have to carry the gear for any real distance, the only prying tool I'd want would be one of those flat-leaf style short prybars. If you have a vehicle and you only need to carry the tools from your truck to the gate you're breaching, then it's hard to beat a sledge for smashing and a mattock for punching and prying.

The machete is probably best for intimidation... if you don't have actual fencing/bladefighting training then using it in a real fight isn't as intuitive as you might think. Against most forms of vegetation a hatchet (and by extension, the kukri) is just as good. If you live where there is copious brush and you don't have to chop actual branches, then a machete is a great tool to have.
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Hatchet. Leave the Machete at home, this isnt Rwanda.
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Long crowbar with spear attachment
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been watching to much walking dead... i choose tools for the environment I am in IMO

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Sounds like a recipe to get shot. Everyone one is a poor choice. Never bring a knife to a gun battle.

They would just be tossed away because of the weight. If you need any of those, you are pretty much dead anyways, although the tire iron could help you change a flat.
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Not machete. Need a poll
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ops, as stated below, crovals are where its at. i have this one as its pretty cheap but strong as hell:

https://fivejoy.com/products/fivejoy...ding-shovel-rs

there are better options out there but i didnt want to invest big money into something that i wouldnt use often.



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A medium size folding knife (buck 110) and a 2.25lb boys ax are my go to's...
Smart man. I think everyone should keep a good axe around either in their home or vehicle. And by good I don't mean any of the mexican or chinese-made nonsense you see at Home Depot.

Love my 24" Velvicut Hudson Bay...

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As a self defense tool none of those are worth the weight and will likely get you killed. A machete is only valuable in a jungle. Either an Axe or a Kukri each have many uses from cutting branches, chopping down small trees, making shelter, making traps, could even be used for dressing an animal. Which one is better depends on what you plan on doing with it and which you have more experience with. I keep both in my vehicle kits, and I have a couple of each in my tool shed, but wouldn't put one in a pack - if I have to walk it wont be worth the weight.
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Smart man. I think everyone should keep a good axe around either in their home or vehicle. And by good I don't mean any of the mexican or chinese-made nonsense you see at Home Depot.

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Where did you get it from?
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7 in. Shingler's L Light Weight Hatchet.15 in. Forged Half Round Handy Bar.. both for under 50 at home depot
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Instead of comparing tools, think about what you're going to do with it. What's your situation? What are your objectives? What is your plan?

I keep a 10" prybar in my first responder bag, mostly for popping open doors stuck in the inevitable earthquake. It's miles better than nothing and pretty small. Usually I have a Morakniv camp knife in reach as well.

For more serious destruction... I have the keys to the supply trailers, wherein are 10 pound sledges, large prybars, Sawzall, gas axe, plasma lance...
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I have the "Glock of axes" in the car trunk. $20 at Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Fiskars-X7-Ha.../dp/B0002YTO7E

A pry/crowbar isn't a bad idea...maybe I should add one of those too.

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I was always wondering whether a hatchet or a machete would serve me better and to me it was the machete because it can hack as well as slice and I keep finding more scenarios in the slicing region like filleting. I bought a 30$ kukri machete off Amazon and attached the holster to my Alice Pack Brace. Looks so nice!
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The obvious answer is Axe, as it meets all the criteria posted by the OP.

"defense/cutting wood/food prep/breaking locks"

Crowbar: Good for breaking locks. Can be used for self defense in a pinch, but isn't ideal or intimidating (intimidation is a factor in self defense). Not much use in cutting wood or food prep.

Machete: Can cut wood, aid in food prep, but not good for breaking locks. Great for self defense, especially with training. Has an intimidation factor.

Axe: Can do it all, requires less skill to wield in a fight, and is all around more useful.
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In So Cal it's the machete.

In Northern Cal it's the axe.

If this is a car kit, there's no reason to not have both and a bucksaw in the trunk!
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Full size K Bar . Done . All three tools in one .
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