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short term is to run the generator to run well pump. Long term is to pull the pump and use a bucket.
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This may be a repeat from someone else, but consider twice when opening any sort of canned veggies and draining out the water without saving it. Sure it wont taste like drinking water but it is drinkable water.

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What are people planning to do for water?

Both short term and long term. I figure clean water is going to be the hardest resource to obtain and probably the most labor involved because of quantity needed and weight. As for the people with wells how are you planning on powering the pumps long term?
Pump and a well. It's pretty cutting edge tech.
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Water was my biggest concern when I lived in the city. It's still a concern, but with a well and on site storage I'm at least good to go for a few weeks if need be.

My plan when I lived in the city was to get a five gallon USGI jerry can and an ALICE frame to lash it to. There was a reservoir within hiking distance. A few cans and a bicycle and trailer would work even better, but require some thinking ahead.
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There are numerous problems with drinking pool water.. mostly a build up of heavy metals and other "solids" as the pool evaporates and is refilled over time.

You need to drain and refill it often or look into what's needed to make it safe to drink over the long term.

Now, it would be excellent to use for sanitary needs and stuff like that which would save you using the good water you have stored.

Also, if the power is out then your pool pump and filter is off and the top is open to the air, so have a large tarp to keep out bug and animals.. one dead rat in your pool could change the "I will drink my pool" plan.
Not to mention all the chlorine and chemicals in the water.
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Again. Folks, unless you already live on a farm (which 99.9% of us DON'T) forget it. YOU CAN'T get/keep enough water in the LA, OC, RS, SB area to live on for any period of time. Plan on prepping for a week to a month or so. THAT'S IT! After that, if the disaster were large enough, we will all be in the FEMA camps like it or not.
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Again. Folks, unless you already live on a farm (which 99.9% of us DON'T) forget it. YOU CAN'T get/keep enough water in the LA, OC, RS, SB area to live on for any period of time. Plan on prepping for a week to a month or so. THAT'S IT! After that, if the disaster were large enough, we will all be in the FEMA camps like it or not.
I live in San Francisco and at least there are several small lakes and bodies of water a mile from my house. I have about 150 gallons of stored water and after that's gone my plan is to filter water into containers from the lakes using my 0.2 micron filters and then kill the smaller remaining pathogens with my Steripens, chlorine from HTH, or worse case iodine (Polar Pure).

I'm also buying a chlorine dioxide maker https://www.amazon.com/Potable-Aqua-...lorine+dioxide which is supposed to kill all pathogens with a 4 hour wait time. It's over-kill if I filter the water first but it doesn't hurt to have more than less.

I also have some large empty fish tanks (50 and 125 gallons) that I think I can jury rig to work as solar stills. Even if I only get a few pints a day from them that's still free fresh water for doing nothing.
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I live in San Francisco and at least there are several small lakes and bodies of water a mile from my house. I have about 150 gallons of stored water and after that's gone my plan is to filter water into containers from the lakes using my 0.2 micron filters and then kill the smaller remaining pathogens with my Steripens, chlorine from HTH, or worse case iodine (Polar Pure).

I'm also buying a chlorine dioxide maker https://www.amazon.com/Potable-Aqua-...lorine+dioxide which is supposed to kill all pathogens with a 4 hour wait time. It's over-kill if I filter the water first but it doesn't hurt to have more than less.

I also have some large empty fish tanks (50 and 125 gallons) that I think I can jury rig to work as solar stills. Even if I only get a few pints a day from them that's still free fresh water for doing nothing.
You can make sodium hypochlorite (bleach) with brine and DC power.
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filtration, reverse osmosis for the house, portable for the car & pens for bugout bag
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You can make sodium hypochlorite (bleach) with brine and DC power.
No doubt others can but I certainly can't make a device as small, robust, and reliable as the one I linked to. In a major disaster like an earthquake the amount it costs me to have it in my supplies is unimportant.

I'm also guessing that anything anyone can build themselves is not going to be very small, portable, and useful without power.
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I was thinking of building my own hidden water storage tank.

I live in the city, but have a modest back yard (house lot is 6,500 square feet).

Plan is to dig a hole and make a structure out of concrete blocks (with rebar and filled with concrete). Size would be 6 feet wide 6 feet deep and 10 feet long. That will give me 360 cubic feet of water storage, or about 2,600 gallons. I would put pond liner over the whole thing so water doesn't seep out of the concrete.

I would put some kind of a steel reinforced concrete roof over the whole thing and bury it in like 10 inches of dirt so the whole thing is hidden from view.

Does anyone see a flaw in this plan?
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I’ll be long gone before my 240 gallons runs out.
I will be long gone before my 500 gallons runs out (and the 1600 in my spa)

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Again. Folks, unless you already live on a farm (which 99.9% of us DON'T) forget it. YOU CAN'T get/keep enough water in the LA, OC, RS, SB area to live on for any period of time. Plan on prepping for a week to a month or so. THAT'S IT! After that, if the disaster were large enough, we will all be in the FEMA camps like it or not.
That's not true..

You don't need a "farm" to store even a 1,000 gallons..

Sure, you can't store enough for years, but even a decent sized backyard has room enough to store water for many months. One of my tanks is 320 gallons.. it takes up a 4x4 spot on the side of the house.. saying you can only store one month worth of water without living on a "farm" is silly.

We have enough water to provide for the four of us for 7-8 months.. not counting anything we could get through solar stills or rain.

That's half a gallon to drink a day and half a gallon for cooking and sanitation per day per person.
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Not to mention all the chlorine and chemicals in the water.
Yea, if you had just changed the water in your pool then you are in great shape.. the problem is that as water evaporates and solids (chems) are added the solid contamination of the water increases. Water that has been in a pool for 6mths to a year+ is pretty heavily polluted and I wouldn't want to drink it if at all possible.

I once saw a filter specifically designed for pool water, but lost the link.

However, you can use the pool water for hygiene and other uses which would make your drinking water last MUCH longer.

But you need to keep enough "bleach" on hand to keep you pool from getting funky since your filters will be offline (and a tarp to keep stuff out of the pool. Would be a shame to have a animal die in your pool and ruin your water supply.
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I was thinking of building my own hidden water storage tank.

Keeping it clean, yes.


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Keeping it clean, yes.
Why would keeping it clean be a problem? The tank would be completely enclosed, no dirt or bird poop would be able to get inside it.

I would periodically add some chlorine drops to keep the water sterile.
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Those planning to use the ocean, keep in mind that typically when the power is knocked out there is very large sewage releases into the ocean.
The ocean is likely to be heavily contaminated with sewage after something like a major earthquake.
A 2011 power failure of the grid for all of San Diego county part of Orange county and part of Mexico due to something done in Arizona resulted in a huge sewage release when the lack of power at the sewage treatment facilities prevented treatment and steady flow of sewage. I would expect to see similar contamination issues in most parts of California from any serious disaster, with increasing risk or continual contimination risk the longer power, infrastructure like sewage pipes, or other services were damaged.

There is also the San Onofre nuclear power plant that put the nuclear waste and material for operating the nuclear reactor near sea level on site next to the ocean. Anyone within a good distance of that will likely have nuclear contaminated sea water as that will probably result in contamination of the nearby coastal waters from leaking of cracked or damaged nuclear containers from direct earthquake damage or any type of water flow or Tsunami. Within a short time I would venture most of southern California will have nuclear ocean water contamination.
https://timesofsandiego.com/opinion/...nuclear-plant/

There is according to that article seventy-two (72x) times the amount of nuclear material released in the Chernobyl meltdown waiting to enter the environment. Even partial damage is likely to result is some significant changes to the coastal waters and environment over a long time. I think the days of playing in the waters of Southern California, eating or marketing fish or marine life caught in those waters, or using those waters to create drinking water, will be over. Even once what are declared safe levels of nuclear contamination are reached, if that were to happen at some point, I think the tourist and seafood market or peoples trust in water made from that ocean water would take even longer to recover.

Also keep in mind that during a disaster these contamination issues would likely go unreported or under reported, and the full extent not known until a later date.
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Siphon water from my neighbors pool.

In exchange, I will give something to protect himself with and one of my welded up rocket stoves. We’ve had long discussions about this very topic.
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Those planning to use the ocean, keep in mind that typically when the power is knocked out there is very large sewage releases into the ocean.
The ocean is likely to be heavily contaminated with sewage after something like a major earthquake.
A 2011 power failure of the grid for all of San Diego county part of Orange county and part of Mexico due to something done in Arizona resulted in a huge sewage release when the lack of power at the sewage treatment facilities prevented treatment and steady flow of sewage. I would expect to see similar contamination issues in most parts of California from any serious disaster, with increasing risk or continual contimination risk the longer power, infrastructure like sewage pipes, or other services were damaged.

There is also the San Onofre nuclear power plant that put the nuclear waste and material for operating the nuclear reactor near sea level on site next to the ocean. Anyone within a good distance of that will likely have nuclear contaminated sea water as that will probably result in contamination of the nearby coastal waters from leaking of cracked or damaged nuclear containers from direct earthquake damage or any type of water flow or Tsunami. Within a short time I would venture most of southern California will have nuclear ocean water contamination.
https://timesofsandiego.com/opinion/...nuclear-plant/

There is according to that article seventy-two (72x) times the amount of nuclear material released in the Chernobyl meltdown waiting to enter the environment. Even partial damage is likely to result is some significant changes to the coastal waters and environment over a long time. I think the days of playing in the waters of Southern California, eating or marketing fish or marine life caught in those waters, or using those waters to create drinking water, will be over. Even once what are declared safe levels of nuclear contamination are reached, if that were to happen at some point, I think the tourist and seafood market or peoples trust in water made from that ocean water would take even longer to recover.

Also keep in mind that during a disaster these contamination issues would likely go unreported or under reported, and the full extent not known until a later date.
That is what typically happens.
Coliform and sewage byproducts are pretty easy to remove. The same distillation that removes the salt removes those by products and sanitizes. Radioactive elements are also heavy and some are removed by distilling. Others are able to be pulled out with ion exchanges from water softeners to at least drinkable levels. Resin softeners are best, then through a salt softener to add mineral content.

I worked on a system at a former Manhattan Project site building groundwater remediation treatment systems a few years ago. They used a massive ion exchange water softener to remove the radioactive components, then reject the water back into the ground. Water itself (H2O) cannot be radioactive, it can only suspend radioactive components.

People dont realize water is one of the easiest materials to clean in existence.
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I live in San Francisco and at least there are several small lakes and bodies of water a mile from my house. I have about 150 gallons of stored water and after that's gone my plan is to filter water into containers from the lakes using my 0.2 micron filters and then kill the smaller remaining pathogens with my Steripens, chlorine from HTH, or worse case iodine (Polar Pure).

I'm also buying a chlorine dioxide maker https://www.amazon.com/Potable-Aqua-...lorine+dioxide which is supposed to kill all pathogens with a 4 hour wait time. It's over-kill if I filter the water first but it doesn't hurt to have more than less.

I also have some large empty fish tanks (50 and 125 gallons) that I think I can jury rig to work as solar stills. Even if I only get a few pints a day from them that's still free fresh water for doing nothing.
I suppose you think that NO ONE else in SF has seen those lakes and bodies of water? And that you will just be able to saddle right on up and take all you want right? Come on! Get real. Those will be cordoned off by authorities and either rationed or otherwise kept from YOU.

The population density on the SF peninsula is such that NO ONE will be able to live for any length of time no matter how well they prep. Just not enough land.
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My wife has jugs of water scattered all over the house. You could trip over them if you're not careful. Add to that the 5 gal boxes that are actually "stored" in the utility closet.
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Moonbeam signed legislation mandating max 55 gallons per person, per day starting in 2022. That is not very much water. The average person uses 80 to 100 gallons per day.
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Moonbeam signed legislation mandating max 55 gallons per person, per day starting in 2022. That is not very much water. The average person uses 80 to 100 gallons per day.
Yes, how in the hell is anyone going to be able to stay within that limit? The boiling point for me is that people with swimming pools are EXEMPT from that restriction!!!!! How is that fair?

Someone will challenge that law in court. We pay for the water we use. Now the government is telling me how much water I can use in the shower or on my lawn, but a pool owner gets a pass???? I don’t think so.

Send in the water nazis. I’ll be waiting.
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I’m a few hundred feet from the ocean and a mile from a reservoir. However I suggest folks use google maps to gaze around their general area. I found all sorts of ag ponds and small creeks.
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I suppose you think that NO ONE else in SF has seen those lakes and bodies of water? And that you will just be able to saddle right on up and take all you want right? Come on! Get real. Those will be cordoned off by authorities and either rationed or otherwise kept from YOU.

The population density on the SF peninsula is such that NO ONE will be able to live for any length of time no matter how well they prep. Just not enough land.
I'm talking about preparing for a realistic situation, i.e. water needs after an earthquake and not some TEOTWAWKI fantasy which nobody can really prepare for. But I'll bite and play your game. Since you so certain that the water will be cordoned off by authorities (and how many do you think are needed for all the water sources in the SF area) you can surely provide some cites where this has happened in the USA before, right?

I guess the local authorities will have nothing better to do in the immediate aftermath (say 3 to 4 weeks) of a major quake than to spend their time making sure that people don't have access to water.

I'll just do nothing and prepare to die since you feel that nobody will be able to survive after a quake. Oh wait....people have managed to live after major quakes in many parts of the world, even some that are 3rd world.
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...on second thought, I’ll just run down to the Circle-K and pick up some water when the shaking stops. Simple, right?
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Currently, I'm 100 feet away from a stream, and 1/2 mile away from a reservoir, so it's not an issue.

I'm looking for a new house though, probably move early next year, and water access will be part of the shopping criteria.

Before bugging out of the Bay Area for rural living up in the mountains, I had formulated a plan to plumb a 300-ish gallon water tote or two inline with the intake feed for the hot water heater. The idea being that the water in the tote(s) would be constantly circulated by fresh water coming in and making its way to the hot water tank, forming a buffer to use if needed. Sort of like a water battery.

When I bugged out, and saw the stream right there by the house, I didn't need to... but it's something that in the burbs or city might be a decent idea for folks to look into.
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Currently, I'm 100 feet away from a stream, and 1/2 mile away from a reservoir, so it's not an issue.<snip>
This for both of my houses. One house, I pee out the front door into year round creek The other is ~100 feet. Both creeks are part of my lot.

My current house is on a well. I'm starting to look into solar panels to run it.

Like Jason above, I'm actually looking at moving so creek plus well are currently on my list.
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I have an Alexapure Pro water filter with several unopened filters in storage. It will purify any water that isn't salt water so I could collect water from puddles, pools, rain barrels. I even have cases of bottled water stored. I know that eventually BPA can contaminate water in plastic like that but the Pro takes BPA out too so when I need it I can run those through the filter and be good to go.
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Here in Maine, I have a drilled well that I rely on for everyday use, plus the old hand-dug well that preceded it, as a backup. Then there's the two ponds on my property, neither of which is very large but could certainly help with irrigation or even the flushing of toilets in a pinch. Last resort, there's a creek about 200 yards downhill, but that's on a neighbors land.

When I lived in San Diego County I relied on a collection of recycled food-grade 55 gallon drums that I periodically cycled fresh water into after draining for irrigation.

Prior to that I lived in San Francisco and clued into the only reliable source of fresh water in the city - Lobos Creek. They still use it as a source of drinking water for the Presidio. Personally, if I still lived in SF I'd keep a Jet Ski (preferably) or at least a kayak handy to be able to make that quick escape if needed. If the Big One hits, it could easily damage bridges/highways and the whole of the peninsula will be cut off for who knows how long.
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I have an Alexapure Pro water filter with several unopened filters in storage. It will purify any water that isn't salt water so I could collect water from puddles, pools, rain barrels. I even have cases of bottled water stored. I know that eventually BPA can contaminate water in plastic like that but the Pro takes BPA out too so when I need it I can run those through the filter and be good to go.
If we're drinking swimming pool and/or sea water I'm not going to be too concerned about the long term effects of BPA . . .
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