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Old 05-27-2020, 6:37 PM
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Default .30-30 for the larger game?

I know there are much better calibers available but if a .30-30 were all you had could you take moose, elk or a large bear?

I read that back in the day when the Winchester 94 first came out hunters used it on just about all types of game.

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Sure, if you’re not worried about a quick, clean kill. But that’s why we use the proper gun for the task as sportsmen.
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The 30-30 is a great gun for under 100 yards in thick brush like back East. In the West a 300 yard shot needs a more powerful load with a flatter trajectory.
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30-30 is a good brush gun especially in CA
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There is a reason buffalo hunters carried 45-70 and larger rifles. Powder improvements since the introduction of the 30-30 have helped performance but I'd opt for a more modern cartridge for hunting about anything past 75-100 yards.
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30-30 isn't the best rifle, but it can work. Get lots of practice. Lots.
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The 30-30 has successfully taken all the game mentioned by the OP. I’ve read tales of the 9mm Luger and .223 Remington taking big bruins. The 30-30 is superior to both of those. If it is all you had, yes.

160 grain Hornady Leverevolution and 125 grain Sierra spritzer handloads make it a 300 yard game getter.
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I know there are much better calibers available but if a .30-30 were all you had could you take moose, elk or a large bear?

I read that back in the day when the Winchester 94 first came out hunters used it on just about all types of game.
It was used for lots of things when it first came out. People still use it for elk, moose, and black bear hunting (maybe some folks are hunting grizzlies with one, I dunno). A 170 grain partition moving at 2100 fps will do a lot of work and go through lots of things.

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Sure, if you’re not worried about a quick, clean kill. But that’s why we use the proper gun for the task as sportsmen.
That pretty much sums it up. The .30-30 doesn't have the speed necessary to increase the probability of a 'dead right there' moment. Surely a .30+ caliber hole in both lungs and/or the heart will kill anything on the planet; but you'll probably have to track it. It's the same thing as using copper bullets at long ranges. Whatever you shoot in the vitals will die, the question is how far can it run before it finally keels over?
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There is a reason buffalo hunters carried 45-70 and larger rifles. Powder improvements since the introduction of the 30-30 have helped performance but I'd opt for a more modern cartridge for hunting about anything past 75-100 yards.
Buffalo hunting had come and gone by the time the metal patched smokeless .30 WCF was put on the market. I'll bet if it were available before the buffalo were nearly hunted to extinction people would have tried it without hesitation. I also bet they'd be on horseback and able to put 5 or so rounds into it.
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I know there are much better calibers available but if a .30-30 were all you had could you take moose, elk or a large bear?

I read that back in the day when the Winchester 94 first came out hunters used it on just about all types of game.
If I was starving, sure. Otherwise I'd save up for an appropriate rifle
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The 30-30 has taken all of those.
I would use a different cartridge or cartridges for hunting them in different conditions myself. But I do have a collection of hunting firearms to choose from.
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The 30-30 has successfully taken all the game mentioned by the OP. I’ve read tales of the 9mm Luger and .223 Remington taking big bruins. The 30-30 is superior to both of those. If it is all you had, yes.

160 grain Hornady Leverevolution and 125 grain Sierra spritzer handloads make it a 300 yard game getter.
Ya, but in CA we are forced to use copper so the range is not going to be what it can like in free States. I used my carbine for a few years with those new pointy rounds until we got the copper hose.
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Is the 30-30 any better or worse using the 150 grain Barnes copper hollow points?
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I know there are much better calibers available but if a .30-30 were all you had could you take moose, elk or a large bear?

I read that back in the day when the Winchester 94 first came out hunters used it on just about all types of game.
You could use it on large game but I wouldn't. Out to 150 yards there's little difference between the trajectory of a .30-30 and a .308. The more important difference is in how much energy is delivered when bullet strikes target. At the muzzle, the .30-30 delivers about 70% of the energy from a .308. By the time the bullets are at 100 yards, it's 60% and at 150 yards it's 55%.

Bottom line: for an ethical kill on the game you mentioned, shot placement is very critical with the .30-30 and you'll know you're close enough when you can see the whites of the critter's eyes.
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^^^ Well said Jack.

It's tough enough getting and elk or moose tag, if you can go to that expense then you can buy a lower cost bolt rifle like a Ruger American in an appropriate caliber for just a few hundred bucks.
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I'm sort of toying with the idea of bringing a lever gun with me to hunt antelope on my next trip. Last year I had an 86 yard chip-shot on a standing broadside, and a carbine would have been perfect for that..... not so much on the 200+ yard shots that I converted on the same trip though. I have 25-35, 30-30, and 32WS to choose from, and am not hindered by any non-lead requirements.

All around, the 30-06 did a very nice job on everything, but most any center fire bolt gun would have performed as well on antelope and mule deer.
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To put it the opposite direction lead free 30-30 at 300 yards can have about the same velocity and energy as 357 out of a normal sized revolver at the muzzle, or at least at say 15 yards. That's enough to do the job, with excellent shot placement, but the bigger handgun calibers are usually preferred for good reason.

The bigger issue with the 30-30 at long ranges isn't energy, although expansion may be limited depending on bullet design, it's hitting the correct spot. You're expecting several feet of drop at that point, and miss estimating by 25 yards will change poi considerably. Similarly are you shooting in similar temperature and altitude as when you measured actual drops at those ranges in your rifle? If not your dope sheet isn't going to be as precise. Those small differences will matter.

100-150 yards? Yes, if a good shot presents itself. Lots of bears, moose, and elk have been killed with a 30-30. If it's not the best shot? Probably not the ethical chance to take.
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Yep, it starts getting pretty difficult to hit things out at 200 with my ,30-30. I can do it of course at the range spanking a 24" steel or something sure, but the holdover starts to get comical and any wind at all you have no clue where you're going to hit that thing. Just not the right tool for the job, I'm not a settler with one gun trying to feed my family... in that case you shoot it however and wherever you can and as often as you need to in order to eat, but that's not us.

I would like to take an antelope with a lever gun, that sounds awesome. I put in for two doe tags in WY, I think I'll bring the .30-30 or 44 lever and try that.
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I'm sort of toying with the idea of bringing a lever gun with me to hunt antelope on my next trip. Last year I had an 86 yard chip-shot on a standing broadside, and a carbine would have been perfect for that..... not so much on the 200+ yard shots that I converted on the same trip though. I have 25-35, 30-30, and 32WS to choose from, and am not hindered by any non-lead requirements.

All around, the 30-06 did a very nice job on everything, but most any center fire bolt gun would have performed as well on antelope and mule deer.
I drew a antelope tag in Montana years ago, I have heard all this "stuff" about how bad the 30-30 is for just about everything. I found some goats made a stalk and shot a goat at less than 100 yards. One shot the goat stumbled around for a few seconds and flop, heart lung shots are a pay shot they work.

I shot my first antelope in Montana just outside of Dillon on the Matador Ranch several years before the above goat 30-30 story. It was a 14+ inch buck with good cutters and mass. Somewhere along the line someone forgot to tell me my rifle a Mod. 91 7.65 Argentine Mauser was just like that above 30-30. One shot at slightly over 400 yards and yes the goat ran, right down off the top of the gully into the bottom and died on the opposite side from massive blood loss. I had punched him right through the heart and like the 30-30 goat it was a complete pass through shot. Bottom line is it's all about shot placement with a good bullet and penetration. You take your lever gun and throw it in and use it if you get the shot, those animals don't know what your shooting them with and didn't grow steel plated sides. Enjoy yeor hunting, I do.
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Only as a absolutely no other choice matter. Had one bad experience over 60 yrs ago, never again. Outa gas after 200 plus yards was my experience, leading the buck by 10 ft and the rounds kicked up dirt under the belly as he was hauling the mail. Four rounds. If a 30-30 works for you, go for it.

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35 years ago I lobbed a few rounds at a deer with my new 30-30. The drop was ridiculous. I sold it immediately and bought a 30-06.
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I'm sort of toying with the idea of bringing a lever gun with me to hunt antelope on my next trip. Last year I had an 86 yard chip-shot on a standing broadside, and a carbine would have been perfect for that..... not so much on the 200+ yard shots that I converted on the same trip though. I have 25-35, 30-30, and 32WS to choose from, and am not hindered by any non-lead requirements.

All around, the 30-06 did a very nice job on everything, but most any center fire bolt gun would have performed as well on antelope and mule deer.
If Teddy Roosevelt can kill an antelope at 180 yards with a .30-30 surely you can right?

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I have my grandfather's Winchester 1894 in 30-30 and it was made in 1894. I am going to use this rifle on my next hunt, mostly for nostalgic reasons and in remembrance of my grandfather. I am thinking a 200 yard shot is the absolute maximum range that I will take a shot with this rifle. He introduced me to the .300 Win Mag. which is has been my choice of caliber since I was a kid, and I can shoot that cartridge out to 1000 yards. The 30-30 has been rendered somewhat obsolete by the newer cartridges, but it is still useful.
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They are fine for 100 to 150 yards, after that, no, unless you can get 125 grain bullets even for the close shots. Using heavier bullets they drop fast. To each his own. Maybe Mr Roosevelt had a much longer barrel than 18 - 20 inches.

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If it's all I had? It would have to be that perfect quartering shot from less than 100 yards on elk. I've never hunted moose and completely lack all perspective to make an informed comment, other than "Those SOB's are big". I've seen a moose cow near the road and that's the limit of my experience.

Black bear? That's a huge range of animals from under 200 lbs to over 500. Hard to give one answer, but I'd lean pretty much toward my answer on elk.

Yes, but it would have to be the ideal shot. If I needed to feed my kids to get through the winter in 1898...maybe less than ideal.
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The 30-30 is a great gun for under 100 yards in thick brush like back East. In the West a 300 yard shot needs a more powerful load with a flatter trajectory.



I grew up in rural NC in the '70's, hearing of guys taking deer all the time with 'em - but never anything BIGGER.
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Sure but thats a false constraint. An out of state elk tag + lic is $600-$1000. Moose probably $1000-$2000 not including a single other expense. You can afford $500 for a used 300wm/7mm. The 30-30 will sell for $300 of that.
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If you are disciplined enough to only take shots within its limits and a good enough shot to put every bullet exactly where you are aiming then yes, it will work. You just have to be prepared to pass on a lot of shots that you could take with a more powerful round.
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I once borrowed a 30-30 rifle when I met a friend for a hunt out of state (no lead restrictions). I asked him what weight bullet he got for the 30-30 he lent me and he looked at me funny & said, "I dunno. Whatever I get usually blows a hole out the back about the size of my fist & that's always been good enough for me."

A 30-30 is fine within its limits and with the copper restrictions, those limits are severe. Copper really made the cartridge obsolete for me. It was hard to keep the speeds up within the pressure limits and still keep the accuracy on-par. I sold my 30-30 and got a .308.

A 30-caliber bullet, itself, is a small-game caliber. Old squirrel rifles are 30-32 caliber. By pushing the speed up, you turn it into a .50 or .75 caliber due to expansion and the supersonic shockwave of the bullet. So for any .30 bullet used on big game, you want speed and expansion. Lots of speed. 2000 fps is good. But 3000 fps is better. Failure to expand is bad -- might as well shoot them with a .22. Keep the speed up & you won't have that problem. A .308 gives you a lot more range to keep that speed up.

That being said, if I could use heavy lead bullets (say 170+ gr), I wouldn't hesitate to use a 30-30 on larger game. But only within 100 yards. I want that bullet to impact with as much speed as possible.
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Never heard of 30-32. Did you mean 32-20? If so, that's a pistol cartridge and cannot be equated with a 30-30.
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Never heard of 30-32. Did you mean 32-20? If so, that's a pistol cartridge and cannot be equated with a 30-30.
I think that he meant .30 and .32 caliber black powder rifles. Generally .25 -36 caliber muzzle loader and blackpowder cartridge rifles were considered small game guns.
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It won’t work. People never really hunted big game until the 6.5CM came along.
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2/2/2016 from American Hunter - Why .30-30 Winchester Will Never Die

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...So then, why does the .30-30 still show up in the top ten of most ammunition companies’ sales lists? Why won’t it go away?...

...If you can accurately place your shots at those ranges, the horsepower of the .30-30 is there when it comes to effectively killing whitetail deer, feral hogs and black bear; if you like the mountains, you’ll appreciate the lightweight lever gun at the end of the day...
For game such as elk, moose, etc., I'd want something with more punch. (Though if a .30-30 was all I had and needed to take one... If it can be taken with a bow, it can probably be taken with a .30-30.) But, I started hunting with a .30-30 and continue to do so to this day, as appropriate. It has been and always will be a 'brush gun' for me and given that shots over 150 yards are rare (with most being 100 yards or less) where I prefer to hunt deer, I don't think anything more 'powerful' is required in those areas. Then again, I have passed on several shots over the years in that I judged them to be just a little too far to count on with the cartridge.

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For game such as elk, moose, etc., I'd want something with more punch. (Though if a .30-30 was all I had and needed to take one... If it can be taken with a bow, it can probably be taken with a .30-30.) But, I started hunting with a .30-30 and continue to do so to this day, as appropriate. It has been and always will be a 'brush gun' for me and given that shots over 150 yards are rare (with most being 100 yards or less) where I prefer to hunt deer, I don't think anything more 'powerful' is required in those areas. Then again, I have passed on several shots over the years in that I judged them to be just a little too far to count on with the cartridge.
Nice article and it's 100% correct, the 30-30 has and will continue to work just fine inside of it's effective range on big game for another 50-100 years and maybe beyond. Even more than the 30-30 I like larger cartridges like the .32 Win Spl or my 30-40 Krag for short range big game hunting and like the 30-30 I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a elk with any of them in the thick stuff.
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Old mechanics saying....”match the right tool to the right job.” There is nothing wrong with owning a 30-30. I’ve had one for years. But, it has been surpassed by other cartridge options that can perform for efficiently and effectively,
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That's part of why the Win-95 and Savage 99 were made. They shot more powerful modern spitzer rounds with flatter trajectories and longer range.

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35 years ago I lobbed a few rounds at a deer with my new 30-30. The drop was ridiculous. I sold it immediately and bought a 30-06.
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That's part of why the Win-95 and Savage 99 were made. They shot more powerful modern spitzer rounds with flatter trajectories and longer range.
Be cautious with the 'newer is better' argument vis a vis the caliber. A traditional .30-30 uses a flat nosed bullet due to the tubular magazine, not an inherent 'weakness' or 'age' issue or 'design flaw' with the cartridge. In fact, modern bullet design has even allowed for 'spitzer-style' bullets to be safely utilized in tubular magazines such as is common with .30-30's.

The .30-30 Winchester by Chuck Hawks.

Again, from American Hunter, 8/23/2019 - Behind the Bullet: .30-30 Winchester

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...The .30-30 Winchester is a simple design, easy on the shoulder (having just about half the recoil of the .30-06 Springfield) and the wallet, and very effective inside of 200 yards. Due to the design of the rifles—traditionally equipped with a tubular magazine that lines the cartridges up nose to tail—the great majority of the ammunition has been loaded with either flat or round nosed bullets, to prevent detonation within the magazine. This obviously reduces the ballistic coefficient (BC) of the bullet, and as the .30-30 starts out mild, both energy and velocity figures drop off quickly. But, as modern long-range shooting was nearly incomprehensible to the average hunter of a century ago, the .30-30 was ‘enough gun’ for those in pursuit of whitetail deer and black bear. Zeroed at 100-yards, the classic 170-grain load prints .3-inch high at 50 yards and 8.5 inches low at 200 yards; as most shots were inside 125 yards, hold-over wasn’t much of an issue...
Which is pretty much what members have been saying in this thread - used within its design parameters, it's a very effective cartridge. That's why you have to be cautious with 'newer is better.' What was the cartridge/firearm intended for vs. what more recent designs are intended to address.
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That is true; used within in intended parameters 30-30 does still work fine.

Previous poster mentioned having lobbed 30-30 at a deer; that is where the Win95 and Sav 99 moved forward; cartridges and bullets that did not have to be lobbed in comparison to 30-30.

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Be cautious with the 'newer is better' argument vis a vis the caliber. A traditional .30-30 uses a flat nosed bullet due to the tubular magazine, not an inherent 'weakness' or 'age' issue or 'design flaw' with the cartridge. In fact, modern bullet design has even allowed for 'spitzer-style' bullets to be safely utilized in tubular magazines such as is common with .30-30's.

The .30-30 Winchester by Chuck Hawks.

Again, from American Hunter, 8/23/2019 - Behind the Bullet: .30-30 Winchester



Which is pretty much what members have been saying in this thread - used within its design parameters, it's a very effective cartridge. That's why you have to be cautious with 'newer is better.' What was the cartridge/firearm intended for vs. what more recent designs are intended to address.
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