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Old 01-23-2023, 9:09 AM
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So as I walked into the Ruger Booth at SHOT about 10 AM on Tuesday Morning I was greeted by Eric Lundgren who is the head guy on the Marlin Project. Eric recognized my name off my badge and started vigorously shaking my hand, then drug me over to meet Nate Brown.

I am buddies with Mark Gurney who is the Head of Marketing for Ruger, and I met him when he was #2 man on the Scout Rifle Project in 2010 and we've been friends ever since. When I contacted him about the Marlin project he sent my name and phone # to Eric So they could get my input...

Eric called me one day and we talked for 45 minutes on the phone about what needed to be done to improve the Marlin Leverguns. Turns out all he did was write down everything I said to him and pass it along to Nate Brown who is Head of Engineering for the Marlin Project. Nate then went over everything along with all the other input they got from various people they considered to be knowledgeable on the subject.

Some of the ideas that came only from me were the Chamber Chamfer, the Radius on the Hammer Face, Cleaning up the Groove on the Bolt that the Extractor rides in, and Tumble Deburring of all small internal parts.

Other changes were 1:20 twist in the .44 and .45 barrels, Radius on the Snail Cam to prevent wearing of the bottom of the Lifter causing the "Marlin Jam." Redesign of the Loading Gate so it wouldn't dig into your thumbnail, changing the way most of the parts were machined, and making of all the internal parts out of Pre Hardened materials for dimensional stability. also the Internal Machining of the Receiver was a far cry from the Crap Marlin and Remington produced. I was amazed that the underside of the receiver top was smooth,,, making the insertion of a cartridge into the chamber smooth as glass. No rough Broach Marks because they weren't done with a worn out broach! They were all done on a Multi Axis CNC Machining Centers. Pretty much all of the Machines, Tooling and Programs to run them are all new!

I talked to Nate for the better part of an hour about all the fine points in the Production Process and he was very forth coming with answers to all of my pretty technical questions. I left Swelled up like a toad!

I picked up several 1894's and 1895's and they all ran smoothly. Only slightly stiffer than my personal guns which had been reworked by me years ago and had also had many rounds thru them. These new guns will run similar to mine with very little "break in." The fit and finish on the metal and wood was as close to perfect as you could ever expect from a Generic Firearm**. And the whole Idea was to remove as much of the hand work (Preferably all of it!) as possible, so the guns could be assembled with parts from a bin with no hand fitting required. This should have taken place 25 years ago, but nobody cared enough to push it thru at the previous Mfg's.

I have no reservation in saying "These are the Best Made Marlin Rifles ever produced by anyone !!! PERIOD!"

The 1894's are just going into production as we speak and look for them on the shelves in the Spring.

This was pretty exciting news as I want an 1894 CB (Octagon) 20" in .44 Spec/Mag. It will be the first Marlin Rifle out of the dozens that I have reworked for myself and others, that I won't have to re work! It will run perfectly right out of the box,,, Which should have been the case for the last 30 years, if anybody had Gave a SHIP !

These guys actually care about what they are doing, and it shows! Our prayers have been answered! Thanks to Ruger!

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Old 01-23-2023, 9:15 AM
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Any idea if the lifter will fit in older rifles that have Marlin jam problems?
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Old 01-23-2023, 11:20 AM
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Spyder, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it will, even if a little bit of file work is needed. It is fundamentally the same part, manufactured to the same dimensions (more or less) for the same model firearm.

But you knew that already.




To anyone else, and for those who may be unfamiliar with W.R.Buchanan's history with the guys he mentions in his post, I can attest to the fact that he ain't BS'n. He can be, and is, justifiably proud to have been a part of this deal.

Too, there have been other positive influences* that have over the years contributed to the improvement of these Marlin 1894s... (the 336s and 1895s did not seem to be as affected as did the revolver-caliber models 1894)... and Randy (W.R.B.) will, in conversation, be the first to tell you that he became aware of some of these fixes that have come from the storehouse of knowledge and experience of Paco Kelly's Leverguns.

*The SASS Cowboy Action sport can be considered equally invaluable in improving the breed.

Before I started talking to Randy years ago, some of the SASS community had created some webpages I had found on my own. "Rusty Marlin" and "Widowmaker" (and his amazing Widdermatic Marlin 1894) are two of the guys that have helped me in my own pursuits to improve my Marlin 1894s...


What Randy/W.R.Buchanan has done is not only give Ruger an equally important-dose of mechanical factoids (W.R. is a machinist if not a tool-and-die maker in his own right), what Randy has also done was to stay on top! of the *communcation*, to have CONTINUED to REMIND Ruger as they acquired these great Marlin assets, that these issues affecting the Model 1894 needed to be addressed. He has been a driving factor, a Shepard, if you will, that has enabled Ruger/Marlin to improve these Models 1894 as they have done. Call it an outsourced management of the highest order.



We are all better off for it!
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I just picked up an 1895 Trapper. Seems like a well-made piece.

Still didn't stop me from getting all the tacti-cool gizmos for it, haha!!
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...and the reason Randy has been able to communicate so well the fixes for these issues is because Randy is also a shooter. A shooter of not insignificant skill, one who has consistently trained with professional teachers and who consistently over the years participates in 3-gun competitions.

He can run these guns as hard as anyone else (and using loads higher in pressure than the SASS crowd). Too bad he still can't hit anything.















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I just picked up an 1895 Trapper. Seems like a well-made piece.

Still didn't stop me from getting all the tacti-cool gizmos for it, haha!!

You snuck one in there, Joe! I wasn't ignoring you.

I for one am both glad to hear it and I'm a bit envious... You, one or two others including our esteemed colleage SplitHoof have purchased these new Ruger/Marlin 1895 Trappers (16.5" stainless).

Looking forward to your impressions after shooting it.
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I'll be taking a hard look at the '94 in .357 when they come out.

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I'm sure I'll wind up buying one too.
But I did just buy a house and am finishing up my old big block Challenger, so fun guns will be waiting on the backburner for a bit.
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I'm sure I'll wind up buying one too.
But I did just buy a house and am finishing up my old big block Challenger, so fun guns will be waiting on the backburner for a bit.
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I'm sure I'll wind up buying one too.

But I did just buy a house and am finishing up my old big block Challenger, so fun guns will be waiting on the backburner for a bit.

Holy smokes! Congrats! on both of those rather *big deals*!
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I'll be taking a hard look at the '94 in .357 when they come out.

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I wont be wasting any time looking, Im going to dive in head first with the first 1894C 357 mag I find online or elsewhere.

But I only want the C cowboy model, not the regular one.
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I wont be wasting any time looking, Im going to dive in head first with the first 1894C 357 mag I find online or elsewhere.

But I only want the C cowboy model, not the regular one.
You wouldn't want to look at a couple just too look them over? I know these will be the new Ruger's, but, still....

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I wont be wasting any time looking, Im going to dive in head first with the first 1894C 357 mag I find online or elsewhere.

But I only want the C cowboy model, not the regular one.
Atta boy! I'm with you on your approach.

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You wouldn't want to look at a couple just too look them over? I know these will be the new Ruger's, but, still....

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Ruger knows they have to put a good product out to satisfy the skeptics and hand wringers.
I for one, don't think they are going to disappoint.

Besides, what could possibly go wrong? W.R.B will be backing up their good name!
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You wouldn't want to look at a couple just too look them over? I know these will be the new Ruger's, but, still....

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If I start hearing reports of canted barrels then I'll rethink it but as of now, no, not worried about these.
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And the 39A?? Pray tell.
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I'll be taking a hard look at the '94 in .357 when they come out.

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I'm excited to get one!
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And the 39A?? Pray tell.
They would be smart to down-scale the 336 action to 39A proportions and formally discontinue the 39A as they did the Model 36 (square bolt 30-30).

They could call it the Model 339.

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I read that they do plan to bring back the 39a. If they make a stainless one Ill buy one. Looking forward to seeing the .44 1894s, thats one marlin I want but dont have.
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I'm excited to get one!
I've got a Remlin 94 (2018) that is as nice as any 94 that I've seen (nicer because of the wood) Its one of 3 lever guns that I wouldn't sell. I'll hold out for the cowboy model, but first I NEED a 336

Now a new Marlin lever action rimfire would be nice too...

Thanks for the OP, Randy
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I’m not gonna deny that I look forward to seeing the 1894 in almost any caliber, because I’m going to end up with all of them

I bet I could be talked into a .327 even?
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