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Old 01-20-2023, 7:39 AM
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I used to think carrying your biggest bad semi was optimal, whether licensed or not. They are always hot when out and about.

Now I’m liking revolvers more, reliable and more old age user friendly when you need it.

If Problem cannot be resolved with six, indicates bigger issues, lol.

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Old 01-20-2023, 8:03 AM
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Admit if your hands and arms are to scrawny to rack a slide you need a revolver with .38
Actually I am getting scrawny unfortunately.

But my preference is now to 45ACP and 44 Mag , they already in the house. Maybe start with some 22LR to get the party rolling, he got 10.

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it'd print i'd think unless you are open carrying or have a jacket over it.

have you tried it?

while it's true that a conflict is typically 5-6 rds, i also see a trend of perps using AR pistol because it's easier to obtain. that'd give them 30rds instead of typical 15-17rd. i'd feel severely handicapped
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Carry both.
Thanks for that. You should see my tactical rig setup. Let’s count.

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Not sure I can do both. This is more a philosophy discussion I think.

Buy yes, there is a place at the table for all. My SW 617 says why no daylight?

How the heck can you carry two in public without causing hysteria?

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I carry each.
I also carry a karambit on weak side. I recently began, again, carrying and training with a cane.

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Revolver ducks the (hopefully going away) large-cap mag laws.
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When I lived in CA, I was only allowed to have two handguns on my CCW card. One was a revolver, one was a S&W Shield in 9mm.

Now that I live in ID, I carry whatever I feel like carrying - usually the Shield, but when out and about in the rural/wilderness areas, a big ol' revolver. The nice thing about revolvers is that if they don't go bang when you pull the trigger, just pull the trigger again.
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I also carry a karambit on weak side. I recently began, again, carrying and training with a cane.

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I don’t carry a revolver but I sure would like to add one to the rotation. I find myself torn between a Kimber K6s and SW 340pd. The Kimber is prettier and has 6 rounds but it really weighs too much for my purposes. The SW is uglier and only has 5 rounds but it sure is light! It’ll probably come down to which one happens to be in the shop when I have money to burn…
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I don’t carry a revolver but I sure would like to add one to the rotation. I find myself torn between a Kimber K6s and SW 340pd. The Kimber is prettier and has 6 rounds but it really weighs too much for my purposes. The SW is uglier and only has 5 rounds but it sure is light! It’ll probably come down to which one happens to be in the shop when I have money to burn…
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I have both types on my CCW, all in 9mm.
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If Problem cannot be resolved with six, indicates bigger issues, lol.
Yup. Sometimes God sends "bigger issues" your way. Especially when they start flying jet liners into buildings, blowing up marathons, executing white men on the streets of Fresno because "Religion of Peace," and they're white. Let's not forget the constant shooting up of movie theaters, schools, malls, festivals, work Christmas parties, etc., not to mention driving vans through crowds of people.

With the current state of the world, I want capacity. YMMV.
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A revolver is superior for extreme CQB/H2H or against a viscous dog or a puma on your back…. dynamic situations where chances of limp wristing, going out of battery or other malfunction are great.

If it’s hammerless it can be fired inside a coat or jacket’s front pocket.

Personally I’d look into a Ruger LCR that shoots .32 H&R magnum and carry’s 6.

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If Problem cannot be resolved with six, indicates bigger issues, lol.
Lol……. That used to be the thinking… in the 70’s and since you mentioned it, what are you gonna do after those 6? Reload? …C’mon man.

Problem today is most thugs will be outgunning you with a stolen semi auto and a 15 round magazine, …along with their armed accomplices.

Advantage: Bad guy.

Why give the bad guy the advantage when you can carry a semi auto that isn’t much larger than that wheel gun you love?
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I carry either. I know a semiauto is the best choice, but sometimes circumstances favor the revolver. First rule of gun fights is bring a gun; If your choice is a revolver it's better than a sharp stick.
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Lol……. That used to be the thinking… in the 70’s and since you mentioned it, what are you gonna do after those 6? Reload? …
Moonclips for the win. Your point is well taken though. All my training was in semi’s.

Not sure I can do a tactical reload under high intensity circumstances for the wheel.

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... against a viscous dog ...
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I listed a Ruger Super Blackhawk single action revolver in 44 magnum on my CCW application.
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There was a vid on semi vs wheels for self defense he proved revolver was better in many situations

One example was the slide needs to move forward to fire so if it's up against the body the slide can't go forward, another is you need two hands to load the chamber vs pull the hammer back to load
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I'm still figuring out how not to print. My Snub 38 in a pocket holster gets close but I'll have to add something to the holster so it doesn't look like a gun.

My semi is comfortable in Appendix but is a bit too obvious with my body type. I'm playing around with a Crossbreed Modular Belly Band, velcro-backed kydex holsters, and some wedges/blocks to see what I can do.
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One example was the slide needs to move forward to fire so if it's up against the body the slide can't go forward, another is you need two hands to load the chamber vs pull the hammer back to load
Forward? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG-FXLxLOSM

Pressing the slide backwards might push it out of battery. After one shot, it might tangle in clothing and jam.

And my chamber is already loaded, no hands needed unless I must reload with a new magazine.
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Do we like half holster or full better or not?

EDIT1: I like the feeling of a half easier to whatever

The six shooters feel better in full coverage holsters. But never really tried it out fully.

Probably a bad idea, too much to carry around.

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Librarian, I think MJB is referring to the possibility that the slide could be pushed back ever so slightly with the muzzle pressed against something, thereby putting it out of battery, and failing to fire even the first time.

Very rare circumstance of course, perhaps even more rare than needing more than 6 rounds? I don't know. I don't have a dog in this fight. I love both revolvers and semi-autos with as high a capacity I can get.
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Do we like half holster or full better or not?

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Nice looking leather. I've noticed a LOT of holsters don't completely cover the trigger guard, so I presume that's intended.

But what is that standing between the holsters???
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Nice looking leather. I've noticed a LOT of holsters don't completely cover the trigger guard, so I presume that's intended.

But what is that standing between the holsters???
They actually cover enough so You don’t ND. You need to pull out, lol.

But to answer your question that is a plastic wolf who appears to be riled, kinda like me.

EDIT1: My biggest concern is I can R/R my semis half asleep, or in total darkness, I don’t have to even think, they feel good / with / on me. I know what to do.

Revolver requires more conscious thought until your familiar.

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They actually cover enough so You don’t ND. You need to pull out, lol.

But to answer your question that is a plastic wolf who appears to be riled, kinda like me.

EDIT1: My biggest concern is I can R/R my semis half asleep, or in total darkness, I don’t have to even think, they feel good / with / on me. I know what to do.

Revolver requires more conscious thought until your familiar.

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Thanks for answering.

The difficulty I have is that the grip is slightly different between a revolver and semi-auto, most notably where the thumbs go on a two-handed grip (at least how I've learned and been taught). A revolver will want to flip, so the grip between the middle finger and thumb has to be tight. The semi-auto thumbs-forward grip is the opposite. Unfortunately, my muscle memory is not going to remember which is which.
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The way I look at it is not just which is better, its which is better for YOU.
No doubt higher capacity and faster reloads are a plus with a semi.

While modern, good quality semi-autos are very reliable, they can malfunction, and many of those malfunctions are shooter-induced, by that I mean lack of training and practice, forgetting to disengage the safety, limp wristing, and not enough practice clearing malfunctions. Maintenance can be an issue, a semi auto needs more frequent cleaning to remain reliable, and that cleaning can be much more involved than cleaning a revolver, so it might not get done as often as it should. A revolver is easier to clean and would have to be really dirty to cause a problem. Of course, revolvers can malfunction, but with any modern, good quality revolver that is extremely rare.

For people with diminished hand strength (arthritis, etc) racking a slide might be a problem. Loading the last couple rounds in a magazine could be an issue for those folks too.

Another consideration, a small revolver with a concealed hammer could be fired from inside a pocket, but a small semi might well jam if fired inside a pocket.

Me, 95% of the time I carry an auto, but sometimes I carry a revolver just because I grew up shooting revolvers and I like them. And when I do, it's in a holster in my usual carry position, but I might just have another revolver in my pocket too.
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There are times I carry both. 5-shot revolver as primary and a compact semi as backup.
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semi..... Revolvers don't carry enough ammo and they are slow to reload.
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Moonclips for the win. Your point is well taken though. All my training was in semi’s.

Not sure I can do a tactical reload under high intensity circumstances for the wheel.
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Revolver requires more conscious thought until you’re familiar.
None of that is relevant to your question unless you have no intention of learning a new skill (revolvers).

For what you’ve given us, the answer for you right now is “semi-auto”. You didn’t wake up one morning, buy yourself a semi-auto and become proficient by noon. It takes work to adapt to a weapon system.

If you take some lessons and practice to become proficient with revolvers then you will have options.

I grew up on revolvers and maintain proficiency with them. But I carry semi-autos because they have inherent advantages in firepower, reload speed and concealability. I run different calibers for different clothing options…smaller pistol during summer or with formal wear; larger pistol for heavy clothing. But for CCW they are all GLOCKS so they all have the same manual of arms and the same trigger and no redundant safety to consider.
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I'm still figuring out how not to print. My Snub 38 in a pocket holster gets close but I'll have to add something to the holster so it doesn't look like a gun.

My semi is comfortable in Appendix but is a bit too obvious with my body type. I'm playing around with a Crossbreed Modular Belly Band, velcro-backed kydex holsters, and some wedges/blocks to see what I can do.
The key to not printing is to wear shirts with patterns. Plaid shirt that are untucked for AIWB carry are the best. It’s very difficult to make out a gun with plaid patterns. It’s how I’ve gotten away with AIWB for 33.5 years now.
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A revolver is superior for extreme CQB/H2H or against a viscous dog or a puma on your back…. dynamic situations where chances of limp wristing, going out of battery or other malfunction are great.

If it’s hammerless it can be fired inside a coat or jacket’s front pocket.

Personally I’d look into a Ruger LCR that shoots .32 H&R magnum and carry’s 6.

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I have one of those LCR's in 327 Fed Magnum. Most of the time I shoot 32 S&W long or 32 HR Magnum. (reloads).

It's a great little revolver.
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I have one of those LCR's in 327 Fed Magnum. Most of the time I shoot 32 S&W long or 32 HR Magnum. (reloads).

It's a great little revolver.
ya. im racking my brain on if i should pick one up. ever since an lgs added one to their inventory i have been jonesin for one even more. what holds me back is the lack of ammo available for it locally.
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ya. im racking my brain on if i should pick one up. ever since an lgs added one to their inventory i have been jonesin for one even more. what holds me back is the lack of ammo available for it locally.
One of my local gun shops usually has 32 cal ammo available. But yeah, it's expensive!

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One of my local gun shops usually has 32 cal ammo available. But yeah, it's expensive!

So I reload.
Ya, i saw some in an lgs here and it has renewed my want in the ruger lcr. This shop was the only place in the area that had 12g buckshot/slugs during the height of the pandemic/riots.
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Freedom Week changed the decision for me. My primary EDC was a Shield 9, now it's a G19 with standard mags. My 637 goes on adventures where I'm possibly going to encounter a rattlesnake, but the G19 will be there as well. My permit lists the 637, Shield, and six Glocks. Next renewal, I'll add a 1911 Commander and another Glock, both in 45acp.
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I purchase Duluth trading extra-long tees. They now sell printed or plaid shirts.
I only carry OWB holsters.

One Glock, One XD and one airweight on my permit.

I always drill on reloading the airweight with speed loaders. I have to admit, it does concern me with only 5 rds in the airweight.

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