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Old 04-02-2019, 9:12 AM
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Becarra: Please, please, please let us go back to violating the Constitutional rights of Californians!

Judge: Um ... no.
This is what it looks like to me as well. It appears they could care less about his ruling. They just want their status quo of putting unchalleged laws into place to continue. If we get a cert on Pena I may be convinced their free reign is coming to an end.
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Old 04-02-2019, 9:31 AM
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Default Where are the main stream media?

Not hearing or seeing anything from any main stream media on this ruling?

I wonder why

We seem to be focusing this on the CA AG. But truth to be told, it was voted in by the CA population. So this ruling is huge, its a smack down on majority tyranny on 2A.

We get days of media coverage when gay marriage and illegal immigration gets their ruling by the courts. Complete opposite, with deafening silence for a 2A win. No media bias, BS.

Other Ban States maybe calling Becerra et al at the moment to urge constrain. If this end up in the Right leaning US Supreme Court, this may nullify all the magazine bans in the US.
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Old 04-02-2019, 9:37 AM
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Not hearing or seeing anything from any main stream media on this ruling?

I wonder why

We seem to be focusing this on the CA AG. But truth to be told, it was voted in by the CA population. So this ruling is huge, its a smack down on majority tyranny on 2A.

We get days of media coverage when gay marriage and illegal immigration gets their ruling by the courts. Complete opposite, with deafening silence for a 2A win. No media bias, BS.

Other Ban States maybe calling Becerra et al at the moment to urge constrain. If this end up in the Right leaning US Supreme Court, this may nullify all the magazine bans in the US.
Tons of stories, check out my OP at the bottom. Even WAPO has one in there.
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Half a million? I know one guy alone that order 400,000 mags via bulk mag program. From this day in, everyone legally acquired mags right?
400K mags? Is the guy a millionaire or something?
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Old 04-02-2019, 9:45 AM
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Bercerra is making the argument, based on these cases:

"See Humane Soc’y of U.S. v. Gutierrez, 558 F.3d 896, 896 (9th Cir. 2009) (“A party seeking a stay must establish [1] that he is likely to succeed on the merits, [2] that
he is likely to suffer irreparable harm in the absence of relief, [3] that the balance of equities tip in his favor, and [4] that a stay is in the public interest.” (citing Winter
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Love to hear what that means translated from legalise.

It seems almost laughable that he is asking Judge Benitez to grant a stay based on the idea that an influx of LCM's into CA will cause harm. Didn't the decision just make the opposite case, that NOT having LCM's cause the public harm?


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400K mags? Is the guy a millionaire or something?
Trump bought 400,000 mags for us
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Tons of stories, check out my OP at the bottom. Even WAPO has one in there.
There is coverage... beyond that one AP piece that syndicated nationwide.

Here is some real hand-wringing though:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...es-816248/amp/
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There is coverage... beyond that one AP piece that syndicated nationwide.

Here is some real hand-wringing though:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...es-816248/amp/
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Even the NRA appears to believe that Benitez ruling could be overturned.
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A new AP article featuring some info from Chuck Michel.

A new Breitbart Article.
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Report from Guns & Gadgets. He seems to suggest a ruling might come today?

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Report from Guns & Gadgets. He seems to suggest a ruling might come today?

I'm sure Judge Benitez is calling this random youtuber with updates.
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Report from Guns & Gadgets. He seems to suggest a ruling might come today?

There should be a ruling coming out in 2 weeks.....see how easy that was?
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The actual silence on this is deafening.
I didn't even see the first blast of news about it on twitter until last night.

They are fully aware that there is nothing they can do and if the general public was aware it would turn into a mix of protests and mass buying.

The ban is dead though, no one is turning in jack. Nullification cuts both ways. Their corporate globohomo buttbuddies can decide they have their own policies and ideas on what "regulation" should be. We can do it too.

If it's not federal law, then enforcement ends with the borders of the state. Shops should honestly just go ahead and remove restrictions from all states and jurisdictions. If the states want to enforce, let them enforce on the buyers and sellers keep no records. Hide it all behind an Anonymous LLC or whatever.

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There should be a ruling coming out in 2 weeks.....see how easy that was?
If the ruling is bad for us, I hope it gets dropped on the carpet.
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So PSA posted the announcement on their Facebook page. So did many other retailers. This youtuber is taking the use of PSA's list in the ex-parte request to mean that they are the reason CA AG is freaking out? Seems the G&G guy has to get out (on the internet) more. He's lost if he thinks this was some secret that floated around under the radar until the PSA post. It blew up the minute the judge handed down the decision.
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Of course MSM is going to keep it on the down low, as they don’t want anyone to know about it who isn’t already... more coercion with the POS AG just to try to minimize the impact.
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So PSA posted the announcement on their Facebook page. So did many other retailers. This youtuber is taking the use of PSA's list in the ex-parte request to mean that they are the reason CA AG is freaking out? Seems the G&G guy has to get out (on the internet) more. He's lost if he thinks this was some secret that floated around under the radar until the PSA post. It blew up the minute the judge handed down the decision.
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So no Emergency Stay for our AG granted today?
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So no Emergency Stay for our AG granted today?
Not today.

Eat dog poop, Gavin and becerra.
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So no Emergency Stay for our AG granted today?
It would seem so but not sure if anyone has checked the court docs at the close of business yet.
I uneducated guess is we will here something tomorrow by the end of the day.
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BREAKING: Michel and associates has released a response:

PLAINTIFFS’ OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT’S EX PARTE APPLICATION FOR TEMPORARY STAY OF THE JUDGMENT

The AG has also issued a response:

RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS’ OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT’S EX PARTE APPLICATION FOR TEMPORARY STAY OF THE JUDGMENT
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Nothing prevents this Court from fashioning appropriate interim relief for persons who take possession of LCMs purchased between the issuance of the Judgment and an order staying the effect of that Judgment, if there are any such
individuals.

LOL!! If there are any such individuals... hahaha

There are probably over 100,000 such individuals.
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It would seem so but not sure if anyone has checked the court docs at the close of business yet.
I uneducated guess is we will here something tomorrow by the end of the day.
It took Benitez ~1.5 months to respond to the initial Duncan-v-Becerra complaint in 2017, which resulted in the preliminary injunction that got the ball rolling. Just saying.

There is no urgency, as Benitez already provided data in his opinion that "LCMs" have been readily accessible by mass shooters and other criminals over the past 19 years. Granting a temporary stay does not alter that, as Benitez opined that the original law was ineffective anyway. Therefore, the state does not have a strong argument of "irreparable harm."
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Just read through both responses, it's hilarious.

Michel makes a simple case:

"Plaintiffs oppose the State’s request for a temporary stay of the judgment
while the Court considers the State’s Ex Parte Application to Stay Judgment Pending
Appeal of this Court’s Order Granting Plaintiffs’ Motion for Summary Judgment.
Plaintiffs understand the State’s concerns, but should the judgment be stayed
immediately, even if only temporarily, countless otherwise law-abiding Californians
who have already ordered LCMs in reliance on the Court's order but have not
received them would unjustly be subjected to severe criminal penalties without
notice."


Basically, Becerra is acknowledging that millions of mags are on the way in, and he even suggests that people that are accepting possession of these magazines should be protected, LOL:

"Plaintiffs urge that the request be denied “unless the Court can unequivocally
protect those individuals in an order granting the State’s temporary stay request.”
(Opp’n at 2:9-10.) Nothing prevents this Court from fashioning appropriate interim
relief for persons who take possession of LCMs purchased between the issuance of
the Judgment and an order staying the effect of that Judgment
, if there are any such
individuals. And a temporary stay will limit the number of people who might find
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is an appropriate remedy to protect both the State and law-abiding citizens acting in
reliance on the Judgment."
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New Sacbee article

Paraphrased quote from the CA head of the Gifford's anti-gun policy group:

"Freilich worried about what would happened if Benitez’ rhetoric was followed “to its logical conclusion,” asking if the judge also believed restrictions should be lifted on machine guns, tanks and grenade launchers."
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New Sacbee article

Paraphrased quote from the CA head of the Gifford's anti-gun policy group:

"Freilich worried about what would happened if Benitez’ rhetoric was followed “to its logical conclusion,” asking if the judge also believed restrictions should be lifted on machine guns, tanks and grenade launchers."
I think Yes why not...in fact people can own those things with enough $ the right connections and permits... so the only reason normal people can't is because of all the red tape and $..

If that Freilich pays any attention to the media she would see that routinely during drug busts the bad guys already have that stuff (maybe not tanks, but the terminator owns at least 1)...
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Paraphrased quote from the CA head of the Gifford's anti-gun policy group:

"Freilich worried about what would happened if Benitez’ rhetoric was followed “to its logical conclusion,” asking if the judge also believed restrictions should be lifted on machine guns, tanks and grenade launchers."
Machine guns, tanks and grenade launchers?

I'm sorry, but this isn't going to stop until I own a 100rd drum of recreational nukes.
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"... if there are any such individuals."

Hey... That's us!

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Paraphrased quote from the CA head of the Gifford's anti-gun policy group:

"Freilich worried about what would happened if Benitez’ rhetoric was followed “to its logical conclusion,” asking if the judge also believed restrictions should be lifted on machine guns, tanks and grenade launchers."
To be fair the writer then quoted the ruling regarding common use making Freilich sound like an idiot.
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To be fair the writer then quoted the ruling regarding common use making Freilich sound like an idiot.
All libtards sound like idiots because they are libtarded libtards.
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Just read through both responses, it's hilarious.

Michel makes a simple case:

"Plaintiffs oppose the State’s request for a temporary stay of the judgment
while the Court considers the State’s Ex Parte Application to Stay Judgment Pending
Appeal of this Court’s Order Granting Plaintiffs’ Motion for Summary Judgment.
Plaintiffs understand the State’s concerns, but should the judgment be stayed
immediately, even if only temporarily, countless otherwise law-abiding Californians
who have already ordered LCMs in reliance on the Court's order but have not
received them would unjustly be subjected to severe criminal penalties without
notice."


Basically, Becerra is acknowledging that millions of mags are on the way in, and he even suggests that people that are accepting possession of these magazines should be protected, LOL:

"Plaintiffs urge that the request be denied “unless the Court can unequivocally
protect those individuals in an order granting the State’s temporary stay request.”
(Opp’n at 2:9-10.) Nothing prevents this Court from fashioning appropriate interim
relief for persons who take possession of LCMs purchased between the issuance of
the Judgment and an order staying the effect of that Judgment
, if there are any such
individuals. And a temporary stay will limit the number of people who might find
themselves in that situation. For that reason, a temporary stay, issued immediately,
is an appropriate remedy to protect both the State and law-abiding citizens acting in
reliance on the Judgment."
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BAawaaahahahahahahhHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahaahahahaha hHA!!!!!
Order away, we now have no fear. Even if a stay is granted, we get our mags.
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Is Becerra high? No evidence people are buying up mags?

What a piece of **** liar. Just yesterday as evidence for need for a stay he cited that sales were going on.
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"Freilich worried about what would happened if Benitez’ rhetoric was followed “to its logical conclusion,” asking if the judge also believed restrictions should be lifted on machine guns, tanks and grenade launchers."
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"Why dont you give us a list of the individuals who bought magazines so we can "protect" them"

- Becerra probably
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"Why dont you give us a list of the individuals who bought magazines so we can "protect" them"

- Becerra probably
"We will protect the HELL out of them!"
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Is Becerra high? No evidence people are buying up mags?



What a piece of **** liar. Just yesterday as evidence for need for a stay he cited that sales were going on.
Wow, you're right. Yesterday he said there was "evidence".

What a ******* piece of work this guy is

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"Why dont you give us a list of the individuals who bought magazines so we can "protect" them"

- Becerra probably
"All these mag sales are going to cause irrevocable harm to California" - Becerra

"No one has bought any magazines" - Also Becerra
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Wow, you're right. Yesterday he said there was "evidence".

What a ******* piece of work this guy is

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Its probably because they are rushing and not even back checking their own filings.
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