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Old 05-20-2019, 11:34 AM
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Called FS and they don't sell/mail out targets - guess I'll need to buy more in Oct and mail them home....
They usually fit diagonally in suitcases meant to fit in the airliner overhead bin. I think you should be able to take them in the cabin. Never tried it though.




Now that our daughter is moving to Henderson, we might likely drop by FS in the summer only to get Pro Ears fitted. We decided our hearing is worth more than their ear pros.


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Old 05-20-2019, 12:16 PM
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Just going to bring a builders tube in Oct and stuff it full which will fit in the overhead.

Anyone have any they could share and send to me - I'll pay the cost plus a lunch?
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Old 05-20-2019, 1:02 PM
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Quick question/s guys on both the THG and ATHG next week -
  • Which days would we be shooting 50-yards?
  • Which days would we be using one-handed manipulations, ie., using the rear sights to rack the slide, etc?

Based on the course descriptions on the website, I believe that these are both during the THG...

Am asking because I would like to know which Glock to bring for each day/class. It is kind of complicated - one has a rear sight angled back and is not suited for one-handed racking, but then, the one suited for one-handed manipulations is NOT good for long range because of a fat front sight.

If the 50-yards and the one-handed manipulations are just on the THG class, I think I will bring the G19.3 which is suited for both one-handed racking and long range; but because of the short grip, I find a little awkward compared to my G34.3.

I know I can switch sights, etc. to my G34.3... It's just that I am lazy (well, and again have to verify zero)...

Thanks in advanced!!!

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Old 05-20-2019, 1:43 PM
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You could be called upon to do 1 handed shooting / malfunctions at any point in time after being taught the FS techniques.

...Any gun will do if you will do.

I would never recommend using stock Glock sights of any kind for helping with malfunctions. I've seen my fair share rip right off the gun. Racking off of rear sights is reasonable convenient, but you can rack off of the ejection port nearly as easy with most guns. If you want pure easy-mode, use a Trijicon RMR.
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I set up a Kimber Adirondack in 6.5 Creedmoor mounted with a Swarovski Z6 1.7-10x BRH for brush / mountain forest hunting. It is light weight (> 6lbs with optic mounted) and easy handle and carry all day. For those that have taken the class, is this something that would work well for the Rifle Marksmanship class? Is there any benefit to bringing something more robust or will the Kimber Adirondack in 6.5 work for this class?
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Old 05-20-2019, 3:15 PM
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You could be called upon to do 1 handed shooting / malfunctions at any point in time after being taught the FS techniques.

...Any gun will do if you will do.

I would never recommend using stock Glock sights of any kind for helping with malfunctions. I've seen my fair share rip right off the gun. Racking off of rear sights is reasonable convenient, but you can rack off of the ejection port nearly as easy with most guns. If you want pure easy-mode, use a Trijicon RMR.
Understood... I guess it will be the G19.3 all throughout the four days then...

In my 4DDHG last December, I used the same G19.3, albeit with stock sights. I had since upgraded the sights to Trijicon HD XR to allow more precision shooting.

Maybe I will use different pistols and calibers whenever I get the chance to make use of private training...

Thank you for the response.


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Called FS and they don't sell/mail out targets - guess I'll need to buy more in Oct and mail them home....


Can you use those tubes they have for posters architects etc?
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I set up a Kimber Adirondack in 6.5 Creedmoor mounted with a Swarovski Z6 1.7-10x BRH for brush / mountain forest hunting. It is light weight (> 6lbs with optic mounted) and easy handle and carry all day. For those that have taken the class, is this something that would work well for the Rifle Marksmanship class? Is there any benefit to bringing something more robust or will the Kimber Adirondack in 6.5 work for this class?
That looks like a great setup. Lightweight, accurate w/great BC. The SFP on the scope wouldn't work for me and I am always wanting more magnification. Good choice on reticle. I'm sure you know what works for you. You should be well prepared for the class with that setup.
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Old 05-21-2019, 2:47 AM
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Can you use those tubes they have for posters architects etc?
They would be a better choice - couldn't think what they were called - thats why I used 'builder' tubes.
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I set up a Kimber Adirondack in 6.5 Creedmoor mounted with a Swarovski Z6 1.7-10x BRH for brush / mountain forest hunting. It is light weight (> 6lbs with optic mounted) and easy handle and carry all day. For those that have taken the class, is this something that would work well for the Rifle Marksmanship class? Is there any benefit to bringing something more robust or will the Kimber Adirondack in 6.5 work for this class?
Perfectly fine rifle for the class, probably better than most rifles setups out there for this class. You will be surprised in seeing some very expensive rifles and guys not being able to hit the target.
Make sure you have a good rest or pack to shoot off of for the class. I used my pack and it worked better than many of the bi-pod set ups due to having the rubber feet and folks not really knowing how to tension their bi-pods.
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Old 05-21-2019, 10:13 AM
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Thanks for all the feedback on setting up a rifle for the Rifle Marksmanship class.
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Old 05-21-2019, 10:33 AM
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Am asking because I would like to know which Glock to bring for each day/class. It is kind of complicated - one has a rear sight angled back and is not suited for one-handed racking, but then, the one suited for one-handed manipulations is NOT good for long range because of a fat front sight.

If the 50-yards and the one-handed manipulations are just on the THG class, I think I will bring the G19.3 which is suited for both one-handed racking and long range; but because of the short grip, I find a little awkward compared to my G34.3.
I have slanted back rear sights and have no problem with one-handed racking. There are points you can use to catch the slide, but I think the better way is to just use your thigh. There's enough friction present even without hooking the slide on something. I press down on the rear half of slide which gets some of the ejection port and some of the rear sight. I think this is the superior method as it's universal (perhaps a little painful if you're wearing spandex) and you're not fumbling around looking for something to hook your slide to. I see how it's more comfortable to hook it for training, and it does make some sense if you're training like you'd be fighting, but the majority of people aren't going to be wearing their duty uniform when they really need to do a one-handed rack. It is different from FS teaching, but they had no problem letting me do it my way. With some practice it's just as fast as hooking it, with the advantage you don't have to look down for anything - the thigh is in a pretty big intuitive location.

The adherence to FS taught protocol really relaxed in THG and ATHG.
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... It is different from FS teaching, but they had no problem letting me do it my way. With some practice it's just as fast as hooking it, with the advantage you don't have to look down for anything - the thigh is in a pretty big intuitive location.

The adherence to FS taught protocol really relaxed in THG and ATHG.
FS doesn't teach an official method. They pretty much say 'mind the 4 rules, don't violate them, figure it out' They'll offer lots of suggestions and comments on any method that someone brings up, but they don't actually teach a preferred method.
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I have slanted back rear sights and have no problem with one-handed racking. There are points you can use to catch the slide, but I think the better way is to just use your thigh. There's enough friction present even without hooking the slide on something. I press down on the rear half of slide which gets some of the ejection port and some of the rear sight. I think this is the superior method as it's universal (perhaps a little painful if you're wearing spandex) and you're not fumbling around looking for something to hook your slide to. I see how it's more comfortable to hook it for training, and it does make some sense if you're training like you'd be fighting, but the majority of people aren't going to be wearing their duty uniform when they really need to do a one-handed rack. It is different from FS teaching, but they had no problem letting me do it my way. With some practice it's just as fast as hooking it, with the advantage you don't have to look down for anything - the thigh is in a pretty big intuitive location.

The adherence to FS taught protocol really relaxed in THG and ATHG.

Learned that method many, many years ago in Adv Tact HG/Adv Integrated HG at Frontsight as one suggested method - with no preferred method.
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For those of you who have taken TactHG/AdvTactHG... how do you recommend storing your flashlight while not in use?
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For those of you who have taken TactHG/AdvTactHG... how do you recommend storing your flashlight while not in use?
I don't think you need any special storage. Anywhere convenient. There's always time to grab it before the exercises that use it. I would strongly suggest a weapon mounted (WML) light if that's an option for you. Allows you to use your usual two hand grip. Even with the WML, I practiced the Harries method just to be familiar if the need arises. A handheld flashlight is needed even with a WML to dress the line.
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I don't think you need any special storage. Anywhere convenient. There's always time to grab it before the exercises that use it. I would strongly suggest a weapon mounted (WML) light if that's an option for you. Allows you to use your usual two hand grip. Even with the WML, I practiced the Harries method just to be familiar if the need arises. A handheld flashlight is needed even with a WML to dress the line.
Perfect. I've got a small collection of pocket/small handheld flashlights, and a WML w/ compatible holster. I was worried there'd be a time-critical presentation requirement, necessitating a flashlight holster for consistency

On the subject of post-handgun skill builder classes.... what's the typical round count look like for an exercise? That is, how many rounds do the instructors put you through before letting you top off your magazines? I have seven 10-round magazines; I think I may have run all of them dry ONCE.
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Perfect. I've got a small collection of pocket/small handheld flashlights, and a WML w/ compatible holster. I was worried there'd be a time-critical presentation requirement, necessitating a flashlight holster for consistency

On the subject of post-handgun skill builder classes.... what's the typical round count look like for an exercise? That is, how many rounds do the instructors put you through before letting you top off your magazines? I have seven 10-round magazines; I think I may have run all of them dry ONCE.
I don't recall for sure, but I think you'll be fine with what you have for TH/ATH. When I took it, I ran four 15-rnd mags on my belt and don't recall having a problem with running dry.
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FS doesn't teach an official method. They pretty much say 'mind the 4 rules, don't violate them, figure it out' They'll offer lots of suggestions and comments on any method that someone brings up, but they don't actually teach a preferred method.
I didnít know they teach that method. We were on line instructed to find something to hook onto. I asked about using the thigh and they said ok. It needs extra attention on the line as itís easier to muzzle a neighbor.

On that subject, I think there is a good way to secure the gun when doing one-handed manipulations (inside joint of bent knee), but I didnít do it as itís also easy to muzzle someone on the side of you.
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