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Old 09-15-2020, 10:48 PM
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i have my Arizona CCW and I'll likely be travelling in 2021 to a handful of states. I have my 9mm Shield which works great for a CCW, and I have my PC carbine that breaks down and packs away really easily. Was thinking about grabbing a compact revolver to put back into the rotation too, simply because of the reliability factor of a revolver, and the ability to carry just the load and a couple quick strips in my pocket. I'm only carrying 13 rounds with the Shield, so 15-18 with a revolver and two quick strips is pretty comparable.

Assuming I could find one on the rack, what would you recommend? (allowing for the fact that supply is very limited on some items.)

1. I'd love a Smith 642, I think, having rented and fired one a while back. Something about the design/grip just fits me better than the LCR and makes it more tolerable to shoot (not comfortable, mind you, just tolerable)

2. Also, have a chance at mint Smith 64-2 stainless snubby from a family member. Weight would be the same as the SP101, and though it'll only take .38specials, I feel like i could run +P's and be just fine?

3. Any other good options in the $500-600 range? Should I give the LCRx a looksee? a 3" barreled, hammered version might improve my accuracy, and would add a bit of heft over the 13oz original LCR I had, but not as much as the steel options?

have owned an SP101 and a LCR, both didn't fit me for one reason or another and both got sold. i LOVE my Victory pre-model 10 and so I think the 64-2 might be a good option, other than the weight for all day carry.



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I’d stick with a hammer less revolver. JMHO

How about a GP100?

If I carried a revolver, I’d want a little weight. Since you’ll be out of state, deep concealment isn’t a big issue (some print is okay).
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I like my S&W 638, all the benefits of a 642 (snag free) but I can still cock the hammer if I need to.

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A Model 64 is a K Frame six shot that is clearly heavier than the five shot J frames. As for revolver weight, a J frame
will always be smaller and lighter than a K frame.

For whatever reason, the SP101 never caught on, and the longevity & Market desirability of the LCRs are still
in question. Charter Arms owners remain loyal and have really never fallen out of love with any of their snub 38s
even after the revolvers break. Taurus doesn't say their revolvers work. Tarsus promises to fix.

The few shooters that I've know who became very good using a snub had a few qualities in common. First, they wore out
more than one J frame. The owners simply sent them back to the factory for overhaul without complain or scorn in much
the same they sent their early 1970s automobiles in for a oil change. They just purchased a duplicate S&W revolver
during the periodic maintenance schedule. Secondly, for their primary carry snub, they carried a 6 shot Colt Detective Special.

These men had easy access to shooting range facilities and used them often. They used the same ammo for practice as they
did for carry: 158 grain standard pressure round nose or semi wadcutter ammo. No doubt the Colts needed overhaul as well.
The owners carried the S&Ws for business and packed the Colts for other reasons.

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If you’re willing to up your budget, I’d consider the Kimber K6 models. I shot a Kimber K6 and felt the trigger was excellent for a stock revolver. They make a 3” model which I would go for. But it doesn’t have a full length ejector rod. Can’t have every thing.

A new model S&W 66-7 (?) w/ 2 3/4” barrel is a bigger gun for about the same $$$. Triggers are horrendous and need to be worked over (more $$$).
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Another vote for the Kimber K6s. After shooting my wife’s K6s, I had to get one myself.

Very good 2-stages trigger, pretty accurate for a snub nose, holds 6-rounds, beautiful finish, etc.
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taurus 85 5-shot or 856 6-shot. steel to absorb recoil. hammer for single & double action shooting. lifetime warranty. inexpensive and reliable.


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Well, there is the 642's cousin the 442. I had a 442 on my CCW. I replaced it with a 640 Pro. While I do not own one, I agree that the Kimbers have a better DA trigger than the J-frame Smiths - even if the Smiths have an Apex duty kit installed. I'd definitely take a look at the Kimber if I was in your position.
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I’d stick with a hammer less revolver. JMHO

How about a GP100?

If I carried a revolver, I’d want a little weight. Since you’ll be out of state, deep concealment isn’t a big issue (some print is okay).
hammerless is definitely what I'm leaning towards.

GP100's are AWEsome, but too heavy/big for what i'm looking for. Likely will be wearing shorts and t-shirts on these trips. I have a bigger wheelgun I could use - looking for a wee beasty.
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Another vote for the Kimber K6s. After shooting my wife’s K6s, I had to get one myself.

Very good 2-stages trigger, pretty accurate for a snub nose, holds 6-rounds, beautiful finish, etc.
Very nice! I'll have to check these out.
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I like my S&W 638, all the benefits of a 642 (snag free) but I can still cock the hammer if I need to.

Just watched a Hickok45 review on these comparing them to the 642, very cool option I think.
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Well, there is the 642's cousin the 442. I had a 442 on my CCW. I replaced it with a 640 Pro. While I do not own one, I agree that the Kimbers have a better DA trigger than the J-frame Smiths - even if the Smiths have an Apex duty kit installed. I'd definitely take a look at the Kimber if I was in your position.
Going to google the 442 and the 640 pro, not familiar with those. Thanks!
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Going to google the 442 and the 640 pro, not familiar with those. Thanks!
Wife has a 642, I have a 442 (also an LCR with laser). I absolutely love the 442 and the 642 is my wife's favorite.

The Airweights (442, 642) are lightweight, comfortable in the hand (I put a full size Hogue grip on mine since I don't like a dangling pinky, it doesn't get in the way of concealability) and quite accurate. A real joy to shoot so I practice regularly.

In the warmer months I wear shorts and T-shirts as well. The 442 drops into my right front pocket using a simple pocket holster. Very comfortable.

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I would recommend that you check out a used S&W M&P 340 stainless cylinder (13 oz) or 340PD titanium cylinder (11.4oz). You will not want to shoot .357 magnums out of them, which is why you can generally find them used in excellent shape; but you will find them to be the best carry snubs around. You can immobilize or delete and plug the lock in them (some come without the lock), and add an Apex trigger kit to reduce the trigger weight. Add a CT 405LG grip for laser and recoil management, if desired. The 340 PD with the CT grips loaded is around an ounce more of weight of an LCP with a 7-round mag loaded. Once you carry one, you will be spoiled for lightweight, pocket carry of a snub. Good luck.

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I like my S&W 638, all the benefits of a 642 (snag free) but I can still cock the hammer if I need to.


I was going to suggest a colt detective special agent with shrouded bobbed hammer. It’s only .38 but I wouldn’t want to shoot .357 in one of those. .38 is annoying enough.


Bobbed hammer for sure though, last thing you want to do is pull a Lance Armstrong in a serious situation.
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I think in the travel situation you're talking about, I'd go simple buy more mags for the Shield. Instead of taking 2 different types of ammo (9's for the carbine, and .38 for the revolver) stick with one.

Now there is nothing wrong with going to a revolver for carry, I'm looking for one myself to replace my non+P 637, since the circumstances I carry it under now are quite different than the BUG role it was purchased for originally.
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Everyone should own a snubby. I have a 642 and a Taurus 85, either one works well with a Sticky holster.
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taurus 85 5-shot or 856 6-shot. ...
I once owned a Taurus 85. It was the only gun I ever had to send in for repair after it completely locked up with cases still in the cylinder. Taurus repaired it in about 6 weeks, but would never tell me what they did to it.

After it was repaired, I sold it to a local Gun Gun Shop and never looked back.

After this experience, I would never trust another Taurus. I replaced it with an S&W 642.
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I'll also recommend the Kimber K6s: very good sights, even the standard 3-dots, and significantly better trigger than my SP101 or S&W Model 10. I've heard that the LCR/LCRX also have a very good trigger, but I can't imagine they are fun to shoot; at 23 ounces, the steel Kimber is a nice range gun. I just ordered my first leather holster for the Kimber: a Wright Leather Works OWB for late fall & winter carry.

Almost forgot: The Kimber gives you 6 shots.
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I'm adding my old school Charter Arms to my permit when I renew. It will be my EDC.

I installed the DAO hammer in it and tried the rubber grips. I actually like the OG wood grips better.



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+1 on 638. +P gives you options. But if it is also for hunting sidearm, you may want a 357 5 rounder SW model 60-15. Not snag free. Surprisingly soft shooting. I have airweight and also this. Like them both.
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I can't do the tiny grips of the airframes, so I opted for the SP101 in 3" initially but found that the 2.25" version was better for carry in the pocket. It's heavy but makes me feel better.
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simply because of the reliability factor of a revolver, and the ability to carry just the load and a couple quick strips in my pocket. I'm only carrying 13 rounds with the Shield, so 15-18 with a revolver and two quick strips is pretty comparable.

Assuming I could find one on the rack, what would you recommend? (allowing for the fact that supply is very limited on some items.)

1. I'd love a Smith 642, I think, having rented and fired one a while back. Something about the design/grip just fits me better than the LCR and makes it more tolerable to shoot (not comfortable, mind you, just tolerable)
With current events you should be thinking about carrying a more capable gun that's easier to shoot and carries more bullets, not a less capable.
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I can't do the tiny grips of the airframes, so I opted for the SP101 in 3" initially but found that the 2.25" version was better for carry in the pocket. It's heavy but makes me feel better.
I put the 3-finger Hogue grip on my 442 (I don't like the dangling pinky either). Only slightly longer, it does not get in the way of concealment for me.

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I have a new model Colt Cobra that points & shoots nicely. Six shots, not too heavy (not aluminum frame light, but not super bulky either). Got it used for $650.00 with like 800 rounds of ammo, so deals are out there.

Kimbers look nice, but I've never shot one.
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I'm adding my old school Charter Arms to my permit when I renew. It will be my EDC.

I installed the DAO hammer in it and tried the rubber grips. I actually like the OG wood grips better.
I also like the Charter Arms for carry. And, yes, they look good with the wood grips.

But I also like Crimson Trace laser grips on snub nosed revolvers too.
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Another vote for the Kimber K6s. After shooting my wife’s K6s, I had to get one myself.

Very good 2-stages trigger, pretty accurate for a snub nose, holds 6-rounds, beautiful finish, etc.
I had never looked at the Kimber revolvers before. Man, those are gorgeous! I would consider one for recreation/target (I like the version with the hammer), I'm good with EDC revolvers.

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I also like the Charter Arms for carry. And, yes, they look good with the wood grips.



But I also like Crimson Trace laser grips on snub nosed revolvers too.
I like the wood grips better than the rubber due to the way you have to grip them. It makes pulling the trigger uncomfortable. With the wood grips it's much more natural.

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i've been having similar thoughts for a while. yes, in crazy times, you normally want more gun, not less, but that really means a carbine, which is not something most of us can get away with carrying around on a daily basis, but we can think about using a handgun to fight our way to a rifle.

to that end, since my main handgun is a big ol' 686-plus (7 shot 357), which is not practical to carry at all, i've decided to downsize and increase the chances that i actually have something when i need it. ordered a 442 (5 shot 38) from bud's last night and they shipped it this morning.
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+1 on the Kimber K6s.
It was having a 6-shot cylinder instead of 5 that sold me (as well as the sweet trigger).
Bought my K6s and recently installed the Control Core grips - makes it more comfy to shoot...
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+1 on the Kimber K6s.
It was having a 6-shot cylinder instead of 5 that sold me (as well as the sweet trigger).
Bought my K6s and recently installed the Control Core grips - makes it more comfy to shoot...
How does it shoot compared to those airweights or SP101?

I’ve been wanting a K6 for a while for EDC.
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I have a S&W model 19 carry comp, it’s a great shooting mid size revolver. Bought a leather inside the waist band holster for it. But I never really got into carrying it, main problem is the slow reloads and awkwardness of carrying speed-loaders or the slowness of rubber ammo strips.

Just can’t find one positive to carrying it over one of my semi-autos.

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I use 9mm LCR and SP101 which I like better, but LCR is easier to carry. Hiking or walking my dog, I use .357 SP101 with snake shots as first two cartridges. All my CCW revolvers are hammerless.
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I'm a big fan of the Ruger LCRx snubbie. Beats S&W 442/642 in every way imo
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I tend to want a little more poop for my carry guns and anything must start with a .4 !



My S&W 696 is the answer as a 5 shot .44 Special which carries nice in the Mernickle Holster and packs a punch. 260 gr SWC at 850-900 fps will make an impression!





It is not a $5-600 gun,,, more like double that.

However there is the Charter Arms Bulldog .44 Special. which would suffice in that role and is way more affordable. like $400-450 ish.

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I have a .357 LCR and a 642. The LCRs trigger is much better than the 642 out of the box. But if you replace the hammer spring and trigger spring with the Wilson Combat springs, the 642 really improves.
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I love revolvers. I have 8 of them. I even have a 642 on my CCW.

That being said. I carry a G27 with an extra mag now days. This isn’t 1955 any more. We are in a civil war / communist insurrection. I want to be as armed as possible. The Glock is so superior to the 642, it is not even funny.

Now is not the time to base your carry decision on nostalgia.
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