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Old 11-06-2020, 10:08 AM
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Thanks for the kind words, guys.

Day 3 began with verifying zero from the 100, then we directly went to 700. I need to add that from each distance, we shot 3 rounds at the target specified and rode the trailer back to the target to measure, record and tape them. Have a system where you record your dope and correlate it with your hits, including wind calls you have made. A Sharpie marker is almost a must, as is a DOPE pocket book. You ought to see what the other students use, some get pretty fancy with their notes including pictures or diagrams of their hits on the page. Another useful tool is a measuring tape or a ruler, and a calculator in your phone to calculate the MIL or MOA of your misses.

The routine of calibrating our Kestrels to the prevailing temperature is becoming second nature. Just don't whack anyone on the head while slinging it around LOL. I had one heck of a time at this 700 yd distance, I guess I am just not good enough. My shots were on paper but they would be crazy amounts away, like 5" off and the groups really open up. This is why the serious guys are hand loading their ammo, they said. My Hornady Match ammo had a huge standard deviation of 14 and they consider a std. dev. of 10 or less to be acceptable. But, I'll stop blaming equipment for my failures as I know I'm the weakest link in my performance.

I need to note that having a shemagh and a scope sunshade is almost a requirement for the class. In the late afternoon, with the way Range 49 is oriented, the sun shines in your face and causes all kinds of weird reflections. The shemagh is used to cover your head and scope to block the sun.

Talking about wind, the flags they had along the side of the range shows how variable the wind speed is along the distance, but generally they all flew in roughly the same direction. There are two that are opposite from the openings of the side berm and these tend to show faster wind speeds than the rest. The wind is my nemesis and I can't see sh*t in mirage direction. I can see it boil, but I can't see what direction it flows. Maybe there just wasn't much wind and I was just too obsessed by it.

At the afternoon of Day 3 we went to 750. This was the farthest we shot at paper. Looking at my DOPE notes, it is apparent as I write this that in my fear of the wind, I had made the wrong wind calls. I'm not sure why during class I did not see this. There was a time 2 out of my 3 shots were off paper. (No, I refuse to show you guys my target :embarassed: ) Josh strongly suggested the next time I use a level on my scope, as a little scope cant drops the hits to the side it is canted over and my rifle tends to change its cant when I run the bolt. Yes, I did tighten the bipod screw by hand, but maybe I should have used a wrench.

In the last hour as the sun is setting, the targets were getting hard to see. We took the paper targets down and had fun shooting steel targets from 800. There were 2 MOA, 1 1/2 MOA and 1 MOA steel swingers and 4 standard IDPA sized targets with a center gong. We were supposed to take turns, but the second or third shooter managed to shoot off the swinger stand and the swinging targets came crashing down It was still fun shooting at the other targets but after a while we started thinking of the expensive ammo we were burning. Many, including me, stopped early.

Day 4, Frank Shinault and Kevin Cress were replaced by Eric Archambault. They said it was their days off. After we confirmed our 100 yd zero, we went back to the 750. Arch corrected my head position behind the scope and my groups tightened up! He said it had to do with the alignment of the scope lenses and the lens in my eye.

We also went to 650, where we have not shot from before and we were asked to guesstimate the dope from our 600 and 700 DOPE. We were not to use the Kestrel at this distance. We shot it three times, three shot groups each time and went back to the targets each time to do some measurements.

After lunch, we had our Skills Test. Unlike in other classes where the test in the morning of Day 4, this one is in the afternoon. The test is shot from 100 to 500 yards in 100 yd increments, then to 750 in 50 yd increments. This is the test target with the distances to be shot from. Ten shots total, one shot from each distance. Use of Kestrel is encouraged, but no windage guidance was provided.



To DG, you can only miss one shot. To get a G, you can miss up to 3. Below that you get the proverbial participation trophy. (I scored a 4, a fact the wife kept rubbing in as she DGed her 4DDHG.

We spent the rest of the afternoon shooting at steel from behind barriers and from tripods from the 300. A few guys went home before the end of class.

Fun was had by all . . .

Great class, awesome instructors, great teaching. What impressed me most was the professionalism of the students. First timers were the minority, most were repeat students. Good learning experience. For sure I'll be back.

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Old 11-06-2020, 11:20 AM
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Thanks for the detailed review, Beanz. The test appears to be more difficult than the old test because of the target and the designated areas. Now I need to modify my data book to circles.

I'm looking forward to taking the course in private next May. My buddy is going to have a hell of a time learning all that in one day. Lol
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I'm looking forward to taking the course in private next May. My buddy is going to have a hell of a time learning all that in one day. Lol
If your buddy hasn't taken it before, I'd think that stuff is too much to take. He might end up taking your valuable private instruction time away.

Has he taken PR Fundamentals? For me it was hard making the jump from classroom theory to real world practice, but I bet some people can take it like duck to water.

I think there are still a few 4D Precision Rifle classes offered between now and May. Maybe you can convince him to go to one before your private class?

Taking this class in the hot months would be miserable. I'm too much of a wimp anyway, but the slippery feeling of sweat mixed with sunscreen really messes with my cheekweld.

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We're taking Markmanship in a week. We'll see how he does there. He can shoot, but he'll need to learn this discipline. I can teach him some of the fundamentals. We'll plan something depending on how things go.

I've done this class in the summer heat and in the winter rain (I think we had southern NV's annual rainrall dumped on us in one afternoon.) It's never a bad time for me. I rather like the challenge.
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We're taking Markmanship in a week. We'll see how he does there. He can shoot, but he'll need to learn this discipline. I can teach him some of the fundamentals. We'll plan something depending on how things go.

I've done this class in the summer heat and in the winter rain (I think we had southern NV's annual rainrall dumped on us in one afternoon.) It's never a bad time for me. I rather like the challenge.
That is some dedication!

I was looking at pictures of my shots and came across a pic I thought I'd share with you guys:


I think that was taken at the 700 yd line.
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Thatís a nice picture. Looking forward to taking the long range class. Just need to get my son to dg marksman. No matter what I think I will attend a long range class this year.
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It is interesting you were running out of elevation on your scope. Is it mounted on a 0 MOA base?

How about your mat. Did you choose a bag/mat combo, separate or sling?
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It is interesting you were running out of elevation on your scope. Is it mounted on a 0 MOA base?

How about your mat. Did you choose a bag/mat combo, separate or sling?
I had plenty of elevation left even at 800. I have a 40 MOA base.

I had a mat my daughter gave me as a gift. I had to use it to show my appreciation. However, next time Iíll invest in a drag bag like DRM6000 recommended. Preferably one that fits in my Pelican i3300 case.

Slinging it would be OK too, but on my last Marksmanship class, I stabbed myself with the spikes on my bipod legs, so Iím a bit wary of slinging my gun.

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Thanks. You mentioned having to use holdovers when running out of turret clicks.
Update: NM I reread your post. I think I understand that you were referring to the clicks aren't refined enough at those distances. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
What kind of wind speeds were you experiencing?

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Thanks. You mentioned having to use holdovers when running out of turret clicks. Maybe that was for the wind?
What kind of wind speeds were you experiencing?
What I meant was for windage. It is faster using holdover for windage than to dial turrets since the wind changes often. Also for elevation increments less than 0.1 mil, MRAD guys are forced to use holdovers in addition to dialing. I think MOA guys can sometimes get by with dialing only.

During my class the wind wasn't bad, sometimes we got gusts of 3-5 mph. But yesterday and today, at least in Henderson, we had gusts up to 12 mph which would've really messed me up.

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I have a Practical Rifle SB next week. There is a Constitution Course available to attend Monday evening.
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Ken, congrats on getting through ID!
How many classes had you taken previously?

Are you planning on working part time? full time?


thanks for the ID Class rundown, we appreciate it.
I've never kept track of total classes (though it's recorded somewhere), only total days. Last year I spent 77 training days there, this year only 12. Which (sort of) payed off in this case because I was 1: a known quantity for the staff and 2: really over prepared. DGing the test three times in a row sounds cool, but it sets the bar way too high. Taken all together, it was the most stressful class I've taken there, far more then HCMP.
The plan is to be out there this Jan-Feb to knock out the 30 day probitory period and get to Instructor 1. After that I'll be back for a few months at a time as life allows.
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Thanks, I signed up for his class, but am not sure about the $15 BBQ part of it.
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Iím planning a trip out to FS for the first time this spring. Has anyone recently attended the 4 Day Rifle Marksmanship course. Any pointers or suggestions would be appreciated.
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Iíd like to hear about this too!
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I’m planning a trip out to FS for the first time this spring. Has anyone recently attended the 4 Day Rifle Marksmanship course. Any pointers or suggestions would be appreciated.
These are things that worked for me:

A lightweight rifle makes the standing unsupported position much easier. The volume of fire is perfect for pencil barrels. The farthest distance you’ll shoot for accuracy is 350 yards, so for me a light 1-8x LPVO was adequate. I opted for a thread protector instead of a muzzle brake to keep it light. I stripped anything that I could off the rifle without compromising the function. A lightweight bolt gun should do well too. Forget your 20 lb precision rig unless you’re Chuck Norris.

A 30 rd-bodied magazine is helpful for me as I can hold the magazine as I rest my support elbow against my chest wall. My shooting stance standing unsupported at 37 and 50 yards is very different from my Practical Rifle stance. I do the chicken wing with my strong side elbow. Keep your options, bring 30, 20 and 10 rd magazines if you’re shooting an AR.

A .223 is enough for the class. You just have to have good ammo. For me, that means match ammo, like 69 gr or 77 gr BHTP SMK. Sort of makes up for my poor shooting LOL. You can shoot other chamberings but few shots are shot where the wind matters much. There will be malfunction exercises in class though, so some rounds may get wasted. Remember, no hand loads are allowed.

Some ammo brands give you better groups with your rifle than others even with the same bullet. Try different brands at your home range first and zero the gun on the one you choose.

A good 2-point sling is needed. Tactical one points and bungee slings not as good. This is not Practical Rifle.

Talking about optics, I found that an MRAD (or MOA) reticle is helpful vs. BDC scopes or magnifier-red dot combos. If you are good at remembering hold overs, you may fare well with red dots or BDC scopes, but I suck at that.

Make sure your eye protection works shooting prone. If your optic has an adjustable ocular lens, make sure it is adjusted to match your eye protection.

Get used to shooting prone. Exercise your neck muscles.

As in most rifle classes at FS, elbow and knee pads are essential.

I’m sure there other points I’m forgetting ...

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There is some excellent detailed info on this thread. The first write up, of the course, is on page 258 and slog your way through. It is worth it.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...nship&page=258

I wish there was a sub thread for each class.

I shot .224 Valkyrie and 6.5 CM in that class. You need a level and most consistent ammo you can buy. As beanz said, as lightweight as possible.

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Attended the Precision Rifle Fundamentals yesterday. Definitely different siting in a class all day. I was surprised hoe many others were there. Maybe 40?

I expected everyone would be there after marksmanship and before Precision Rifle, like myself. I was the minority for sure. It seemed most people in the class hadn't taken Rifle Marksmanship yet. At first I thought that is a good idea, then I thought probably not. You learn a lot of detailed information about what effects are occurring to the bullet during flight. Like Coriolis effect and spin drift. Most of the stuff applies beyond 400 yards, which the Marksmanship class does not shoot. It might make you worry about things that aren't an issue at those distances. At least the instructors will know the excuses won't work.

One student asked what a Kestrel was. All good, I'm not knocking it, I was just surprised at the early stages of his learning. Later he asked what type of rifle might be best suited for this class. Instructor Skoog said something like the Mossberg Predator (not the 7.62 version) or the Ruger American rifle. After the class I heard that student say to his class neighbor, so I need to buy a rifle for the Marksmanship class that I can't use for the Precision Rifle class and a Kestrel? At least that is how he saw it. It is a challenge.

I learned quite a bit. I'm glad I was able to take it moths before I am taking PR. I can now look into more depth of some of the topics presented.
Time to get ready for the Practical Rifle SB today and tomorrow.
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I noticed that too. Out of 18 students in PRF, only 4 were taking Precision the next day. Most of the info was new to me, though. It was a good learning time, especially when you actually experience the stuff the following class. Iíd take it again if I have time but maybe I should buy the book they recommend.

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Heading back in late December for a 2-day Skill Builder. Have previously taken the 2-day and 4-day DHG. Used Berettas both times (92FS, M9A1). Recently picked up an XD9 deciding what to take next time. I love way the Beretas feel in my hand, have done the decocker only and hammer spring mods, but am consistently more accurate with the XD9.

Part of me really wants the challenge of earning the G or DG with the Beretta (feel like it would warrant extra bragging points, especially since I got razzed both times by the staff for being the only person in class with a Beretta). Another part of me just wants to take the XD9 since I'm more consistent with it.
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My opinion - take the XD9. Consistence, accuracy and functionality need to be mastered. You can work on the added complexity of the Beretta after you G or DG the XD9.

Put another way, what does FS rent from their rental shack and why might that be?
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Put another way, what does FS rent from their rental shack and why might that be?
Absolutely. Makes perfect sense. It's simple, consistent, easy to use, no frills. It's just tough to take out the Ford Fiesta when you have an old Ferrari in the garage, even if the Ferrari may be harder to drive.
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Did the staff point out the first aid box to you on Day 1? lol
Haha. One of the instructors did get a really bad slide bite form my Beretta. I learned that lesson a while ago and have since learned to cruise through all the malfunctions, etc. with ease and unscathed.
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Yes, they like to poke fun at Beretta shooters : )
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I think I've decided to take the XD9. Going to be flying out there this time instead of driving and trying to take as little as possible. Picked up an Apache 1800 case from Harbor Freight. Too small for the Berettas (I also picked up the larger 2800 for those). The XD9 fits great in the 1800 and also fits into the small suitcase I'll be checking. My range bag and other related gear fits in the suitcase as well, and then will be packing all my clothes into a Patagonia backpack I've used as a carry-on in the past.







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Old 11-16-2020, 1:31 PM
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If youíre doing December 16-17 Iíll be with you.
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Old 11-16-2020, 1:32 PM
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If youíre doing December 16-17 Iíll be with you.
Wont be out there until the 29th.
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Old 11-16-2020, 2:22 PM
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Attended the Precision Rifle Fundamentals yesterday. Definitely different siting in a class all day. I was surprised hoe many others were there. Maybe 40?

I expected everyone would be there after marksmanship and before Precision Rifle, like myself. I was the minority for sure. It seemed most people in the class hadn't taken Rifle Marksmanship yet. At first I thought that is a good idea, then I thought probably not. You learn a lot of detailed information about what effects are occurring to the bullet during flight. Like Coriolis effect and spin drift. Most of the stuff applies beyond 400 yards, which the Marksmanship class does not shoot. It might make you worry about things that aren't an issue at those distances. At least the instructors will know the excuses won't work.

One student asked what a Kestrel was. All good, I'm not knocking it, I was just surprised at the early stages of his learning. Later he asked what type of rifle might be best suited for this class. Instructor Skoog said something like the Mossberg Predator (not the 7.62 version) or the Ruger American rifle. After the class I heard that student say to his class neighbor, so I need to buy a rifle for the Marksmanship class that I can't use for the Precision Rifle class and a Kestrel? At least that is how he saw it. It is a challenge.

I learned quite a bit. I'm glad I was able to take it moths before I am taking PR. I can now look into more depth of some of the topics presented.
Time to get ready for the Practical Rifle SB today and tomorrow.
I have sat through that class multiple times and am never comfortable with the class. I always find it interesting and good information but I am never quite sure who the target audience is.

Many take it immediately before attending the Precision Rifle class. That seem like a bad time to take the class because you have very little time to change anything about your equipment or setup.

On the other hand if you take it far enough ahead that you can make changes, I didn't really find I could take away a lot of actionable items that I could change before the class.

It was great to make you aware of issues and some general education but I think it needs refinement. Of course that class was very different each time I took it so perhaps it is work in progress.
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Old 11-17-2020, 7:05 AM
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Heading back in late December for a 2-day Skill Builder. Have previously taken the 2-day and 4-day DHG. Used Berettas both times (92FS, M9A1). Recently picked up an XD9 deciding what to take next time. I love way the Beretas feel in my hand, have done the decocker only and hammer spring mods, but am consistently more accurate with the XD9.

Part of me really wants the challenge of earning the G or DG with the Beretta (feel like it would warrant extra bragging points, especially since I got razzed both times by the staff for being the only person in class with a Beretta). Another part of me just wants to take the XD9 since I'm more consistent with it.
Vinnie, which gun is on the nightstand? That is the gun you should train with regardless of how many other guns are in the safe. If you have a CCW, then I would train with that gun, but if I recall you are in the bay area so that may not apply.
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Old 11-17-2020, 7:14 AM
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Agree, AAShooter. I think PRF is mainly geared toward the Precision Rifle folks. By having a full day dedicated to the theory aspects, which in Precision there is a lot, FS saved a lot of class time by having everyone take PRF first.

For people who can’t remember classroom theory until they see it in action, taking Precision the next 4 days is very rewarding.

But, yes, the equipment lecture is not useful for those taking Precision the following day, though the knowledge is solid for the next time. Imagine being told you needed a mounted scope level and even the Armory doesn’t have one. I can see why people would take it separately from Precision.

I’m glad FS has this crazy business model they do. If they had a pay-as-you-go model like Gunsite or Sig Academy, I probably would be kicking myself if I had forgotten and left out a small detail like a scope leveler, the wrong bipod feet, or having the wrong kind of ammo.

Threads like this one helps a lot of folks get the right stuff the first time. You probably won’t find one like it for the other schools.

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