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Old 05-11-2021, 1:24 PM
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Gee - the simpletons in OT are right. Idaho just sucks, Stay Away.
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While it's nice to see Idaho take this stand, it's equally important to note that this legislation does nothing to affect the federal enforcement of federal statutes within the state of Idaho.

It's pretty much "Window Dressing" legislation and nothing more.
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^^^^
The nulification act (2014) specifically describes the jail times and fines for Federal agents in this exact situation...

Still running your gums without any clue...
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The nulification act (2014) specifically describes the jail times and fines for Federal agents in this exact situation...

Still running your gums without any clue...
Howie,

One of us is clueless, but it's not me.

There ain't nothing in what you call the "Nullification Act (2014)" that prescribes any jail time or fine for Federal Agents who enforce federal law. Here's a link to the actual legislation. If you think that there is any such language in that act, then please "Cut and Paste" that language into your reply. I'll make it easy for you. You gotta do no research, all you got to do is find the language in the statute.

https://legislature.idaho.gov/wp-con...tion/S1332.pdf

But please don't cite to a newspaper article like you did the last time we had this discussion. News articles don't really mean much, and are often filled with error. You've got the actual law now that you can work from.

But also please note that even if the state did elect to make federal agents subject to their state laws, such an effort would not succeed. The U.S. Supreme Court already settled the issue of whether federal agents can be governed by state law in the case of In re Neagle (although the Ninth Circuit did reduce such protections in the case of Idaho v Horiuchi).

The Los Angeles County Sheriff made an effort to prosecute an FBI Agent under California state law when the agent smuggled a cell phone to a jail inmate for use in a federal investigation. That effort got the Sheriff a three year federal prison sentence.

But for now, let's see how well you can do the "cut and paste" excerise.
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Hahaha!
You don't live here, dips**t.
You have no clue to the county sheriff's are on the record committed to.....
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You don't live here, dips**t.
You have no clue to the county sheriff's are on the record committed to.....
Howie,

You're ducking the question (and I think I know why).

What does the law say?

Still waiting for you to back up your statements.
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Missouri small arms protection act is on their Senate floor this morning. Another state standing up to the feds legislatively.


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Howie,

I’m sure you are an enthusiastic 2A supporter, but on this particular legal question Rick is correct. A state cannot prosecute a federal agent who is enforcing federal law. See Tarble’s Case.

What a state would need to do is go to a federal court and ask the federal judge to order the federal government to stop enforcing a specific federal law. This request could be based on a particular federal law being void under the US Constitution, etc. But the state cannot act in the role of an Article III federal judge and block the federal agents.
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Howie,

I’m sure you are an enthusiastic 2A supporter, but on this particular legal question Rick is correct. A state cannot prosecute a federal agent who is enforcing federal law. See Tarble’s Case.

What a state would need to do is go to a federal court and ask the federal judge to order the federal government to stop enforcing a specific federal law. This request could be based on a particular federal law being void under the US Constitution, etc. But the state cannot act in the role of an Article III federal judge and block the federal agents.
Thanks for the supportive comment.

I was hoping that Howie would be able to back up his statements (and I even made it easy for him by posting the Senate Bill that he (mis)quoted).

But so far he seems unwilling, or unable, to do so.

I do follow events in Idaho quite closely. It would be a great place to live if they had a seaport, and a place to surf. A former colleague of mine was recently sworn in as the Sheriff of Kootenai County and I'm confident that he will do a great deal to ensure the preservation of his county's Second Amendment rights. But I'm also confident that he, and his fellow Idaho Sheriffs, are sharp enough not to become Sheriff Baca's cellmates.
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It would be a great place to live if they had a seaport, and a place to surf.
The Port of Lewiston (Idaho's only seaport) has the distinction of being the farthest inland port east of the West Coast.

And, you can surf on the Boise River.

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And, you can surf on the Boise River.

And ski up at bogus on the same day if you do it at the right time of the season.


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Or learn to whitewater kayak. Plenty of surfing ops!
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The Port of Lewiston (Idaho's only seaport) has the distinction of being the farthest inland port east of the West Coast.

And, you can surf on the Boise River.

OK, good point about Lewiston technically being a seaport, but the marina facilities are lacking for an oceangoing sailboat and it's too far from the ocean, plus you gotta shoot the Columbia River bar to get to blue water.

And where are you gonna find waves like this on the Columbia River?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj7xMBxd5iY

But for the real news - Has anyone seen Howie? He's really gone underground from this thread.
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Most of you idiots should stop using loop holes and stay in OT where you belong and stop using loophole forums to bring up your count
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I do follow events in Idaho quite closely. It would be a great place to live if they had a seaport, and a place to surf.
What is it with you about sea ports and surfing? I as born in LA, served some time in the Navy and do not miss the ocean or sea ports. What I enjoyed most about visiting SF (a seaport on the ocean) was that my CA CCW permit, issued by the Butte County Sheriff, was good in SF and that for the most part the people there were unarmed, unlike myself. What is most important is that Idaho is still a greater place to live than CA! Unfortunately, it appears that you did not make it this far and apparently are still in a libtard state. My condolences.
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You say colleague, does that mean you supported his election to Sheriff? In any event, Sheriff Norris was "sharp enough" to move to Idaho, like a lot of ex LEOs. While I do not think that it will go anywhere, what will you say if the Greater Idaho movement succeeds?
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I see what you did there.
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What is it with you about sea ports and surfing? I as born in LA, served some time in the Navy and do not miss the ocean or sea ports. What I enjoyed most about visiting SF (a seaport on the ocean) was that my CA CCW permit, issued by the Butte County Sheriff, was good in SF and that for the most part the people there were unarmed, unlike myself. What is most important is that Idaho is still a greater place to live than CA! Unfortunately, it appears that you did not make it this far and apparently are still in a libtard state. My condolences. You say colleague, does that mean you supported his election to Sheriff? In any event, Sheriff Norris was "sharp enough" to move to Idaho, like a lot of ex LEOs. While I do not think that it will go anywhere, what will you say if the Greater Idaho movement succeeds?
I grew up around the water, and around boats. I did my military time in the Coast Guard (although I did naively assumed that when I joined the U.S. Coast Guard, that it would be the U.S. Coast that I would guard. I wound up guarding the coasts of Korea, Bahrain, Kuwait, Kenya and Tanzania as well). It's in my blood, and I get nutted up when I get too far from blue water. My main retirement project is restoring a classic 57' English ketch and she needs to be near blue water and I need to be where she's at. Had I never developed such an affinity for the water, I would have retired to Idaho instead of Washington.

I very much prefer Idaho politics (except for the city of Boise) and the respect that Idaho shows to individual rights to that of Washington. But it's something of mistake to refer to it as a "Libtard" state. The Seattle metropolitan area very much deserves that label (and worse). But the remainder of the state is actually pretty cool. At the state level, things are roughly balanced in Olympia and that keeps the nutsos in check. We're a little outta balance at the federal level in D.C., but that don't matter to issues in the state.

I'm very much a supporter of Bob Norris. I think he's going to do a lot of good for Kootenai County. He's a very sharp individual, but it takes more than that to be a good Sheriff. There was a lot of division in the L.A. County Sheriff's Department in my final years and a lot of good people retired early rather than continue serving in the Baca/Tanaka regime. I'll also point out that Baca held a doctoral degree (but it didn't do anything to make him a good Sheriff). Bob made it through that time with a lot of respect and dignity. That's going to help him be a good Sheriff far more than a Phd degree. He's seen a lot of good leadership, and some bad leadership, during his time and I'm sure that has shaped him to be a good Sheriff.

I have mixed feelings about the "Greater Idaho" movement. I support the goals of the movement, which are to bring political boundaries more in line with the political affiliations of the population, but I can't fully support the idea of Idaho annexing such areas. I very much prefer the formation of a new state (kinda like "Jefferson") that would bring better balance to national politics. The current representation in the Senate is very highly biased in favor of the eastern states. Those states have smaller populations and there's more of them. California, Oregon and Washington each get two senate seats, but so to do Vermont, Delaware and Rhode Island. A new state of Jefferson would add two Senate seats.
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Howie,

It's good to see you back. I was starting to get worried about you.

So are you just going to continue tossing insults around, or are you gonna make an effort to contribute to the discussion by backing up your earlier statements? I really tried to make it easy for you by putting the documents right in front of you.

All you gotta do is "cut and paste" the words that support your position.
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I grew up around the water, and around boats.....
I get that. If you need the ocean, you need the ocean. And, I was being somewhat tongue in cheek about pointing out Lewiston met your qualifications as a deep water port. Technically, it does, but it is nowhere near the blue water.

Also - I grew up on SoCal, and surfed up and down the coast all the way up to my mid-20's. It is the only sport/activity that I have ever stopped doing that I miss. So, I get that too. I have to say though, that "big wave" compilation you linked to is a bit disingenuous - at least for the west coast. Maybe Mavericks breaks that big sometimes, but those monster waves are only consistently found in certain parts of the world....... and that does not include CA, OR, or WA.
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