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Old 09-16-2018, 11:56 AM
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Assuming money were no object (but that you aren't buying something just to prove you can) what carry pistol would you consider as your first choice? Additional facts: large size (including hands) elderly man. Purpose: self defense / SHTF Specific goals: 100% dependability and concealability. Additional requirement: on CA approved list (but if not on the list still an option so please just note that it is not on the list).



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Given your size, a G19.

Elderly wouldn't change that, neither would "money no object."

9mm: super common for bartering after SHTF

Dittos w/being a Glock 19 for finding replacement parts.

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Depends on my current needs at that time. Sometimes I want/need to carry a pocket gun, sometimes I want/need to carry a full sized gun and, of course, there are many days where something inbetween is the most appropriate. I know several MDs and lawyers who have chosen to put Hi Point C9s on their permits even though, money wasn't their first concern.
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I didnt read the OP cuz wall of text...
G19.
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SA EMP 9
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Springfield XDs Mod 2.
Not on roster.
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Wierd. I'm basically not a Glock guy (my hand feels complete with a Kimber Ultra Carry II), but I did pick up a 19 at one of Turner's Wednesday sales. Maybe the luckiest move I've made???
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SA EMP 9
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1475841

Walther PPQ. Not on list but can be found for about $900.
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I am fine with my Glock 17 for all occasions everyday. It is more comfortable than Glock 19.

I am currently trying to find a Kimber CDP II. I find it balances well with loaded magazine in the pistol.
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When someone mentions "elderly" I have to ask about hand strength. Can we pull the slide back and lock it? If yes then go for your semi auto du jour as long as it's as reliable as a ball peen hammer or can be made to be so.
If not, then it's that time of life for ye old DA revolver.

This is not a money question IMO. Physical ability should figure into this Q.
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The popular answer to almost every "tell me the best handgun for..." is going to be the G19 (speaking of carry purposes of course, not hunting or target stuff...). All things considered, I am not sure there's a better handgun made at any price OP.

I'm not going to say money is no object but I have some nice guns, I carry a Glock. I would probably open carry some nicer pieces from time to time in a free state almost as a fashion statement, but ever there I'd probably carry a Glock of some form more often than not.
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When it comes to CCW, money truly IS no object.
Cost of the gun or ammo are secondary to concealability and effectiveness.
Where concealability is less of an issue, the compact 9mm and .45 are both good options.
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Smith and Wesson 686+. It fits the big hand and dependability crieteria extra well. It can be concealed if you go with a belly band or shoulder holster.
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Glock 19.

Now if price was no issue then I would get a gold plated jewel encrusted glock 19.
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For large hands consider the +0 mag. extension for a full grip on a G19.

IDK if that is an allowed mod. for CCW or not however since I am in LA County, I just like mine.
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Dan Wesson Commander Classic Bobtail (fairly big)
SIG Sauer P220 Carry (fairly big)
CZ PCR (smaller)
CZ RAMI (even smaller)
I would add the SIG Sauer P239, but I don’t think you can get them new anymore.
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Depends on my current needs at that time. Sometimes I want/need to carry a pocket gun, sometimes I want/need to carry a full sized gun and, of course, there are many days where something inbetween is the most appropriate. I know several MDs and lawyers who have chosen to put Hi Point C9s on their permits even though, money wasn't their first concern.
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I switch between a Smith 1006 (full size, heavy 10mm), a M&P 40c or a Glock G42 depending on what my day entails.

All are off roster as because of that the bookends have become pricy. Over the years I have acquired backup copies of all but the G42.

While these are what I like (also big handed) they would not be the first choice for most other people.

While I prefer a full size, a compact and a sub compact most people could forgo the full size and just get a compact and a sub compact.

Lots of roster options for the compact, only roster sub compact left might be the Kahr PM-9 or P-380 (wife carryies both and loves them)
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I'm just not a Glock fan. Never really warmed up to the ergonomics. And particularly when M&P's are available. Here is what is in my rotation...

1) M&P CORE 9mm if you want to stick with 9mm (not on roster)

2) M&P 2.0 4" 45 acp - S&W just released this gun so it is most certainly not on the roster...and you will likely pay top dollar for it since it just came out, but I'm pretty sure it's awesome. Glock 19 sized gun chock full of .45 acp yummy goodness. I don't have any experience with the 2.0 but I have the 1.0 version of this gun and it's great, so I'm pretty sure the 2.0 is only better.

3) Something really nice like a Wilson Combat 1911 in whatever configuration/caliber you wish...if money is no object. They just came out with their "EDC X9" which is all sorts of interesting. Double stack 9mm but it's not a 2011 gun as that has a two piece frame and this frame is all solid. Or one of their regular 1911's in your favorite caliber.
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Glock 19, and if that's not concealable enough then a Sig P365.
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CZ-P01

reliable, feels great in the hand, concealable

if you have issues with racking guns, then i'd have to say sig p238. plus it's uber concealable! BUT, if you have big hands you will probably want the extended magazine (which is good anyways because is gives you an extra round!)

Although I have an EMP, I can't recommend it (it does fit your money no object clause) Mine has been unreliable (as seen in the thread someone linked to).

I have a CZ P-01 and a glock and IMO the CZ is WAY better!
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Thanks for all the good information. I see the Glock 19 in an entirely different way now. The point of parts availability had not crossed my mind. The funny thing is that the only reason I bought a Glock 19 was compatibility with the Ruger PC9, of which I think highly. I have a few of the recommendations already, but there are others mentioned that are of great interest. I'm just coming off of a number of surgeries and I'm just getting back out into the world. Months of confinement so I have a huge pent up desire to get back to the range. I'm not quite at that point where that's possible yet (I'm still learning to walk properly), but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. All of my purchases have been on "the list" at the time of purchase, but I've been meaning to look into the "off list" option. The whole "list" thing is frankly banana cakes. I remain hopeful that with a changing Court we will again see reason restored. In addition to some of the ones listed by the members I've been interested in the Kimber micro 9. But I definitely want to check out the Wilson Combat EDC X9.
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Springfield Armory Professional Model 1911. The CA version sells out quickly. Many 1911 aficionados have named it the best 1911-A1 every produced, probably because it was the only 1911-A1 to meet the FBI's nearly impossible requirements.
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The one I'm carrying: Sig P238. Took me several guns to get there.



I'm 6'6" and have hands like a shovel.

Alternatively, a bit more pedestrian, yet not on the Roster: Sig P365, Glock 43.

If I wanted to show the world what a baddass I'm, not to shoot, but to scare people based on looks alone, I'd carry a Chiappa Rhino 30DS.

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Springfield Armory Professional Model 1911. The CA version sells out quickly. Many 1911 aficionados have named it the best 1911-A1 every produced, probably because it was the only 1911-A1 to meet the FBI's nearly impossible requirements.
While I have heard nothing but good things about this weapon, never underestimate the power of a Washington lobbyist or a good bribe when it comes to government contracts.

FWIW I have a Colt 1911 Government on my permit, I've carried it twice. If accidental exposure was less of a concern then I'd carry it OWB a lot more, but for me it's just a lot of steel to stick in your pants.
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Assuming money were no object (but that you aren't buying something just to prove you can) what carry pistol would you consider as your first choice? Additional facts: large size (including hands) elderly man. Purpose: self defense / SHTF Specific goals: 100% dependability and concealability. Additional requirement: on CA approved list (but if not on the list still an option so please just note that it is not on the list).
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Based solely on your criteria, above, and not on any other wisdom/perception expressed by others, Id get a S&W Shield in 9mm. Its concealable in many wardrobe choices, current ammo is excellent, and the guns are extremely reliable.

{Full Disclosure: I own a Smith Shield and dont carry it because the trigger SUCKS. I also dont like the field strip process. I carry GLOCKS (owned some since the 80s and shoot them well) and an SA XDs because they go bang every time they are supposed to.}
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...for me it's just a lot of steel to stick in your pants.
If you load it, the lead will really add weight....
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I really like the Glock 19, its a great shooter but its on the big side to carry concealed, I consider it full sized for smaller hands. Prefer the Glock 26 or 27 (or 29) for carry. Might also look at the Smith & Wesson M&P Shield.

FYI: My Shield has an Apex sear installed in it, about $40:
https://www.brownells.com/handgun-pa...prod41317.aspx

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Old school. A Colt Detective Special or a S&W CS9. Love them both.
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Old school. A Colt Detective Special or a S&W CS9. Love them both.
Ya ain't gonna get more old school than a 1911, which is older than the Detective Special & the S&W CS9.
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It might be hard for an elderly person to rack the slide on a SemiAuto...

Wheel gun, something lightweight with a decent punch:

S&W 642?
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