Is the Mini 14 Obsolete?

[jyo]

I've had a few Mini 14s over the decades and still do---handy little rifle---I like the Ruger magazines, steel, study, I have several factory mags that are 30-40 years old and still work perfectly!
Anything you shoot with a Mini will not know the difference that you did not use an AR-15 or other 5.56 rifle system...
Just another choice on the market...

[Cowboy T]

Really? This topic again?

I guess the Winchester levergun is also "obsolete" then. Oh, wait...lots of 'em continue to be sold every year....

I guess revolvers like the S&W Model 586, Ruger GP100, and Colt Python are "obsolete" then. Oh, wait...lots of 'em continue to be sold every year; the companies keep running out of 'em....

I guess pump shotguns like the Remington 700 and Mossberg 500/590 are "obsolete", too. Oh, wait...they sell bunches of 'em every year, too? And other companies are copying 'em and selling bunches of 'em as well? Wow....

If anybody thinks that a Mini-14 is "obsolete", then I dare him/her to stand in front of the business end of one, and then tell me how "obsolete" that person still thinks it is. Any takers? Yeah, that's what I thought.

[XL650]

Obsolete? Never. I was driving truck and pulled into Carl?s Jr at dawn in Mohave to grab a bite. A CHP cruiser was already there. Looked inside expecting to see the standard shotgun. Instead he had Winchester Model 94 and a Mini 14. That was 20 years ago. Something tells me they weren?t standard issue. Good man.

[OCEquestrian]

Originally Posted by XL650

Obsolete? Never. I was driving truck and pulled into Carl?s Jr at dawn in Mohave to grab a bite. A CHP cruiser was already there. Looked inside expecting to see the standard shotgun. Instead he had Winchester Model 94 and a Mini 14. That was 20 years ago. Something tells me they weren?t standard issue. Good man.

That officer was "old school" even back then. The Mini 14 is totally adequate in a patrol rifle role. The sub 2"MOA everyone wants from a carbine caliber rifle is not needed or used in that role. Reliably putting rounds down range to up to 75 yards with 5 MOA or less is just fine.

[W.R.Buchanan]

AS long as the Democrats in this state "think" its obsolete,,, We're safe.

Never mind that it's got the same firepower as an AR, and the same accuracy as any Off the Shelf AR. But ooooh it's got different magazines so it's obosolete?

The mini is superior in a bunch of ways over the other guns. But the one that really matters is when you run out of ammo! It makes a much better club than any AR/M4/M16 etc. Especially with the "Laminated Stock" that is solid as a Rock!

Randy

[M1A Rifleman]

Love the 70?s and 80?s version

[nitroxdiver]

So obsolete that Samson tooled up to make correct factory side folder stock reproductions. The stocks are regularly on back order due to popularity.

[DrewN]

Originally Posted by Cowboy T

Really? This topic again?

I guess the Winchester levergun is also "obsolete" then. Oh, wait...lots of 'em continue to be sold every year....

I guess revolvers like the S&W Model 586, Ruger GP100, and Colt Python are "obsolete" then. Oh, wait...lots of 'em continue to be sold every year; the companies keep running out of 'em....

I guess pump shotguns like the Remington 700 and Mossberg 500/590 are "obsolete", too. Oh, wait...they sell bunches of 'em every year, too? And other companies are copying 'em and selling bunches of 'em as well? Wow....

If anybody thinks that a Mini-14 is "obsolete", then I dare him/her to stand in front of the business end of one, and then tell me how "obsolete" that person still thinks it is. Any takers? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Yes, all that stuff, bad *** and cool that it is, is obsolete. Obsolete doesn't mean non functional. A 70 Hemi Cuda is obsolete in the same way. A Mini is an older design that won't influence any small arms development going forward. So, obsolete. Still bad ***. Still works.

[OCEquestrian]

Obsolete dos not mean ineffective

[stormvet]

Isn’t that what the climate cult is saying about ICE.

[imarangemaster]

Yep, maybe technically obsolete, but NOT ineffective! I have three Minis. I also have ARs, an AKM, and an M1 Carbine....

My 581 series Mini-30 It was in a poly, but it is now in a Ruger OEM wood stock and ASI wood hand guard and a vintage 1.5x4 Bushnell shotgun scope. 1.25 MOA with my 2550 fps Hornady 125 grain, .308 diameter, H4198 powder handloads.



My newest is a 2023 manufactured, blued 585 Series Mini-14 I got from the shop I work at. It now has a Choate handguard, nylon quick sling, and Freedom Week Tapco GEN II 30 rounder. Loaded with 30 rounds, it is only slightly heavier than a Ruger OEM factory 20 that is loaded. It weighs 6 lbs. 12 OZs empty in the poly stock. It will be loaded with MK262 MOD1 77 grain OTMs. Because of the new heavier tapered barrel and improved harmonics of the gas system (on all 580+ series guns), it does under 2 MOA with almost any ammo, and even though it is 1/9, will still bang the 12 inch 200 yard gong with 77 grain MK262 MOD1.



My 1978 Vintage MIni-14 GB Model. It is 1/10 twist and gives 2 to 2.5 MOA with iron sights with M193 ball ammo. The muzzle brake and bayonet lug attenuate the barrel whip found on non-GB early Minis. NOTE, I replaced the flash hider with an AIM Sports A2 muzzle brake.

[IrishJoe3]

Originally Posted by XL650

Obsolete? Never. I was driving truck and pulled into Carl?s Jr at dawn in Mohave to grab a bite. A CHP cruiser was already there. Looked inside expecting to see the standard shotgun. Instead he had Winchester Model 94 and a Mini 14. That was 20 years ago. Something tells me they weren?t standard issue. Good man.

[W.R.Buchanan]

IMA: Hot tip on the Tapco Mags. I have 5!

Don't store them loaded! And load them down 1-2 rounds. Also don't let them get hot when loaded.



The Feed lips on those mags will distort if they get hot when loaded. Also my gun won't feed the first round off a fully loaded mag so I go -2. I figured all this out at a Front Sight Rifle Class where my mags got hot sitting in the car loaded. I had to finish that day with my 20 round steel mags and the next day I kept the Tapcos in my cooler. They ran fine after that. I like them I just wish that the new owners would redesign with steel feed lips like Glock Mags. I leave all my Glock Mags loaded all the time and some have sat for years like that and they still run perfectly!

Randy

[imarangemaster]

Originally Posted by W.R.Buchanan

IMA: Hot tip on the Tapco Mags. I have 5!

Don't store them loaded! And load them down 1-2 rounds. Also don't let them get hot when loaded.



The Feed lips on those mags will distort if they get hot when loaded. Also my gun won't feed the first round off a fully loaded mag so I go -2. I figured all this out at a Front Sight Rifle Class where my mags got hot sitting in the car loaded. I had to finish that day with my 20 round steel mags and the next day I kept the Tapcos in my cooler. They ran fine after that. I like them I just wish that the new owners would redesign with steel feed lips like Glock Mags. I leave all my Glock Mags loaded all the time and some have sat for years like that and they still run perfectly!

Randy

WR, thanks, I remember your original post when It happened. I actually have a factory 10 rounder in it, and the Tapco 30 (loaded with 29) attached to the weapon in a stock pouch.

[OCEquestrian]

Just took my new to me 185 series mini-14 to the range yesterday before the rain and gave it a 25 yrd. zero. The rifle functioned flawlessly using both M193 and M855 green tip. The M855 will be the standard load I use in it as the 185 series are 1:7 twist barrels. I also enjoyed shooting 5.56 without a recoil buffer spring twang in my right ear with every shot. It is no long range sniper rifle but as a defensive use carbine its competent.

I'm now ready to join the A-Team...

[Scratch705]

Originally Posted by Cowboy T

Really? This topic again?

I guess the Winchester levergun is also "obsolete" then. Oh, wait...lots of 'em continue to be sold every year....

I guess revolvers like the S&W Model 586, Ruger GP100, and Colt Python are "obsolete" then. Oh, wait...lots of 'em continue to be sold every year; the companies keep running out of 'em....

I guess pump shotguns like the Remington 700 and Mossberg 500/590 are "obsolete", too. Oh, wait...they sell bunches of 'em every year, too? And other companies are copying 'em and selling bunches of 'em as well? Wow....

If anybody thinks that a Mini-14 is "obsolete", then I dare him/her to stand in front of the business end of one, and then tell me how "obsolete" that person still thinks it is. Any takers? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Originally Posted by OCEquestrian

Obsolete dos not mean ineffective

Yes, The mini14 is obsolete. Doesnt mean it cant do the original job of shooting bullets. Dont get your tighty whities in a bunch cowboy t.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

Originally Posted by Scratch705

Yes, The mini14 is obsolete. Doesnt mean it cant do the original job of shooting bullets. Dont get your tighty whities in a bunch cowboy t.

I think this is something which the thread has failed to address; i.e., how we are defining the term 'obsolete.'

Do we mean that it is "no longer in use or no longer useful" or do we mean that it is "of a kind or style no longer current?"

I think it is the latter meaning which is being ascribed and far too many are attempting to make it fit the former. As I indicated in Post #36, it's not about what it can do 'compared to' so much as what it can do, period. Let's just say that, as I showed in Post #69, just the fact that you can, occasionally, hit a plate at 1,000 yards with the rifle and that cartridge speaks volumes.

Such is particularly true when you note that the Mini 14 remains, give or take, in the same, basic configuration as when it was released to the public in 1973, 50 years ago, and is a derivative of a design dating back to the 1930's. Meanwhile, we spend how much and dedicate how many threads to 'necessary improvements' to the AR 15 to get it to do what we want?

As was 'suggested' on the first page of the thread, check your premises...

Originally Posted by Usmc0844spare

Exactly. Dumb premise.

Honestly the only things that I would consider to be obsolete in a war-fighting general infantry sense are bolt-actions and revolvers and muzzleloaders.

If they are talking about ease of adding do-dads to your rifle to make it more operator, well, that's dumb because most people who have those do-dads don't actually need 'em anyway.

Even there, bolt actions, revolvers, and muzzleloaders were successfully utilized in a great number of military applications before newer, dare I say 'better' technology became available and was adopted. Yet, even there, snipers still use bolt action rifles and are still considered, by many, to be intrinsically more accurate than a semi-automatic, making the bolt action 'superior' for the sniper application if 'potential accuracy' is the metric. That doesn't mean it has a 'favored' place on the modern battlefield over semi- and full- automatic firearms. It's that you have to remember it's more about the person pulling the trigger, how what is available is employed, and the circumstances rather than the implement being used.

For instance... 5 Amazing Stories from Marine Corps Legend Carlos Hathcock and then...



Wait. What was the Mini 14 based on? Ruger Mini-14 Rifle History...

...In 1967, Sullivan and Ruger began the process of shrinking the venerable M-14 7.62 service rifle into a more compact version chambered in .223 Remington. The project took six years, culminating in 1973 with the Mini-14. Mass production began in 1974.

While the name Mini-14 derives directly from the US Rifle 7.62mm M14, it is by no means an exact scaled-down replica...

Obsolete? How are you defining 'obsolete?'

[Coolguy101]

Originally Posted by Supersapper

You're missing the one major point that makes this rifle fully relevant: It's unaffected by the continual fight over features. I can go anywhere that allows rifle fire and not a cop in the bunch is going to say anything about the Mini. Even the ones who know nothing about rifles and the law know that a Mini-14 is not an AR that they have to ogle to try and figure out if it's legal.

As far as the M14...gotta disagree there too. There is at least one record the M14 hold that has never been beat, at least to my knowledge anyway.

I didn't take the featureless concept into consideration because its primarily a california thing, and I was trying to be universal. I agree with you on that point, and I should mention that I own a 1980's era production mini 14 myself. I like it, and its fun to shoot. No denying that.

But back to my original point; the modern M4 or civilian variant is far superior in most all areas, thereby making the mini 14 obsolete.

I'm not saying the mini 14 isn't fun, cool, or reliable. The M4 is just BETTER

Same does for the M14, of which I also happen to own an M1A.

My AR-308 is superior to it in almost every way as well for many of the same reasons as the M4 is superior to the mini 14. I like my M1A, much as I love my FAL and PTR-91. None of them outperform my AR-308. None of them are as modular or versatile.

The military brought the M14 back during the Iraq and Afgainistan wars, quickly realized why they got rid of it in the first place, and then did so again.

Good read here on that subject:

https://www.military.com/off-duty/20...g-rid-m14.html

[Coolguy101]

Originally Posted by TrappedinCalifornia

I think this is something which the thread has failed to address; i.e., how we are defining the term 'obsolete.'

Do we mean that it is "no longer in use or no longer useful" or do we mean that it is "of a kind or style no longer current?"

I think it is the latter meaning which is being ascribed and far too many are attempting to make it fit the former. As I indicated in Post #36, it's not about what it can do 'compared to' so much as what it can do, period. Let's just say that, as I showed in Post #69, just the fact that you can, occasionally, hit a plate at 1,000 yards with the rifle and that cartridge speaks volumes.

Such is particularly true when you note that the Mini 14 remains, give or take, in the same, basic configuration as when it was released to the public in 1973, 50 years ago, and is a derivative of a design dating back to the 1930's. Meanwhile, we spend how much and dedicate how many threads to 'necessary improvements' to the AR 15 to get it to do what we want?

As was 'suggested' on the first page of the thread, check your premises...



Even there, bolt actions, revolvers, and muzzleloaders were successfully utilized in a great number of military applications before newer, dare I say 'better' technology became available and was adopted. Yet, even there, snipers still use bolt action rifles and are still considered, by many, to be intrinsically more accurate than a semi-automatic, making the bolt action 'superior' for the sniper application if 'potential accuracy' is the metric. That doesn't mean it has a 'favored' place on the modern battlefield over semi- and full- automatic firearms. It's that you have to remember it's more about the person pulling the trigger, how what is available is employed, and the circumstances rather than the implement being used.

For instance... 5 Amazing Stories from Marine Corps Legend Carlos Hathcock and then...



Wait. What was the Mini 14 based on? Ruger Mini-14 Rifle History...



Obsolete? How are you defining 'obsolete?'

The military has all but gone away from bolt guns for snipers now. The recent wars in Iraq and Afganistan highlighted their obsolescence, and they realized they need a semi auto modular gun that can fit a variety of attachments to best perform on the modern battlefield.

Nobody is saying old guns don't work; they are just saying that there are newer guns that can do the same task better in ways that matter.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

Originally Posted by Coolguy101

The military has all but gone away from bolt guns for snipers now. The recent wars in Iraq and Afganistan highlighted their obsolescence, and they realized they need a semi auto modular gun that can fit a variety of attachments to best perform on the modern battlefield.

Nobody is saying old guns don't work; they are just saying that there are newer guns that can do the same task better in ways that matter.

Military decisions tend to have more to do with logistics than actual application. Just like... MARINE CORPS SNIPERS TEST NEW RIFLE... is still a bolt action, but the idea is to cut down on the number of rifles and go with interchangeable barrels, meaning the rifle can be adapted to different calibers and different 'accessories.'

"Rather than putting one gun away and getting the next gun out, we can quickly change the barrels, and then we only have to carry ammunition and that extra barrel, not an entire extra gun and extra magazines."

It's the same old 'one tool' option that typically becomes a jack of all trades and a master of none.



Do such 'tools' work? Sure. Are they 'better' than the older stuff? That depends on the criteria you're using.

Such is the very thing we see with the M4; i.e., it is adaptable, but not necessarily 'better' for a given purpose. On the flip side, the Mini 14 is what it is and wasn't built for modularity or adaptability. Both can be used to hit targets and the distance it can hit at will depend on the guy pulling the trigger. Do the accessories make hitting the target 'easier' for most? Sure. But, I'd rather rely on the guy who knows what he's doing than the technology which still won't work for someone who doesn't.

Insofar as basing equipment decisions on a specific type of terrain such as Iraq or Afghanistan, such speaks to the logistics the military is constantly grappling with and why 'one tool' options don't always work out as 'the best' option for a given situation. They might keep those operating the supply chain quiescent, but that's not necessarily the intended application of the guy pulling the trigger. The guy pulling the trigger cares about whether he has it, does it function, and can I keep it functioning; which is part of the reason bolt actions are often preferred. Beyond that, it's up to him to 'make it work;' i.e., you don't rely on the tech to make it work, you rely on the shooter to make the tech work.

I used to 'debate' with a gunsmith quite a few decades ago who preferred the Mini 14 over the AR systems. He would list a number of ways in which the Mini was 'better' than the AR's in terms of keeping it working. He would grant that the AR was, in an overall sense, probably more robust and, thus, a better firearm for the military. Yet, as he would point out, we weren't in the military and didn't have the Government's bankroll or logistical systems so as to 'adapt' the rifle for different applications. (At the time, Mini 14's were cheaper than AR's.)

If I were going into combat, I'd prefer to have a modern M4 rather than a Mini. Then again, depending on the circumstances and my role, I'd prefer to have something other than an M4. As a civilian, particularly with all the pushing for AWB and, in California or Massachusetts with the limitations imposed on AR-style rifles, logistically, a Mini might actually be better suited for my immediate needs. So, again, what becomes the overriding criterion which defines 'better?'

[Coolguy101]

Originally Posted by TrappedinCalifornia

Military decisions tend to have more to do with logistics than actual application. Just like... MARINE CORPS SNIPERS TEST NEW RIFLE... is still a bolt action, but the idea is to cut down on the number of rifles and go with interchangeable barrels, meaning the rifle can be adapted to different calibers and different 'accessories.'



It's the same old 'one tool' option that typically becomes a jack of all trades and a master of none.



Do such 'tools' work? Sure. Are they 'better' than the older stuff? That depends on the criteria you're using.

Such is the very thing we see with the M4; i.e., it is adaptable, but not necessarily 'better' for a given purpose. On the flip side, the Mini 14 is what it is and wasn't built for modularity or adaptability. Both can be used to hit targets and the distance it can hit at will depend on the guy pulling the trigger. Do the accessories make hitting the target 'easier' for most? Sure. But, I'd rather rely on the guy who knows what he's doing than the technology which still won't work for someone who doesn't.

Insofar as basing equipment decisions on a specific type of terrain such as Iraq or Afghanistan, such speaks to the logistics the military is constantly grappling with and why 'one tool' options don't always work out as 'the best' option for a given situation. They might keep those operating the supply chain quiescent, but that's not necessarily the intended application of the guy pulling the trigger. The guy pulling the trigger cares about whether he has it, does it function, and can I keep it functioning; which is part of the reason bolt actions are often preferred. Beyond that, it's up to him to 'make it work;' i.e., you don't rely on the tech to make it work, you rely on the shooter to make the tech work.

I used to 'debate' with a gunsmith quite a few decades ago who preferred the Mini 14 over the AR systems. He would list a number of ways in which the Mini was 'better' than the AR's in terms of keeping it working. He would grant that the AR was, in an overall sense, probably more robust and, thus, a better firearm for the military. Yet, as he would point out, we weren't in the military and didn't have the Government's bankroll or logistical systems so as to 'adapt' the rifle for different applications. (At the time, Mini 14's were cheaper than AR's.)

If I were going into combat, I'd prefer to have a modern M4 rather than a Mini. Then again, depending on the circumstances and my role, I'd prefer to have something other than an M4. As a civilian, particularly with all the pushing for AWB and, in California or Massachusetts with the limitations imposed on AR-style rifles, logistically, a Mini might actually be better suited for my immediate needs. So, again, what becomes the overriding criterion which defines 'better?'

Sure, snipers have a lot of platforms available to them. However, if you listen to any of them on any of the multitude of podcasts out there, you will find what most of them actually preferred to use on a daily basis was a semi auto.

[OCEquestrian]

My "new to me" 185 series 1:7 twist "featureless" patrol rifle/trunk gun!

[bohoki]

to me a gun is obsolete when ammo is not readily available

atf has a more strict definition

but to me 41 magnum revolvers and 16 ga shotguns are basically obsolete

so i guess if you run into a mini 14 in .222 it would be obsolete to me

[imarangemaster]

Good read. Loads that do 1.2 to 1.5 MOA in stock Mini-14 (post 580 series)

https://realguns.com/articles/2164.h...l8sTZ2N6dqwwfQ

[A_FEMALE_MAN]

I absolutely love my Mini 14. It’s a 584 series for those who ask. I had my Barrel shortened to 14.5in then pinned and welded a Surefire Socom Muzzle Brake. Best money i ever spent, one of my most accurate and softest shooting 556 rifles. The shorter barrel improved the accuracy to about 1.5 MOA from 2.25 MOA.

Got it used for $800 with 9 factory ruger magazines. During the panic buying no less. Fantastic gun and a great tool non the less.

[1919_4_ME]

Mini-14 at the Dorner manhunt

[Cowboy T]

^^ Wow...not so obsolete after all, it seems....

[OCEquestrian]

^^^^ Just noticed how easy it is to see if that safety is engaged or not in those photos...

[nitroxdiver]

On guy rocking the Samson A-TM retro factory folding stock on his. Props

[jayhuh]

The agency I retired from used the SBSO range for our quarterly qualifications. I left in 2018. Up until then I regularly saw SBSO guys qualifying with Mini-14s. Nothing wrong with a Mini-14 in a patrol function. In fact my agency (state) was in the process of obtaining them for a specialized unit when I left.

[imarangemaster]

In the 80s and 90s, I regularly qualified with my Mini-14 or Mini-30 as a Patrol Carbine. Never has a problem, and never felt under-gunned!

[OCEquestrian]

Originally Posted by imarangemaster

In the 80s and 90s, I regularly qualified with my Mini-14 or Mini-30 as a Patrol Carbine. Never has a problem, and never felt under-gunned!

And that is exactly what the Mini 14/30 is...a carbine. Looks like it, acts like it and handles like it. It KNOW'S it is not a battle rifle...something the 5.56 NATO AR15 can't seem to admit about itself.

[imarangemaster]

The last department I was on, the patrol carbine qual (back in the late 90s) was 7 of 10 shots in the head of a B-27 silhouette target at 100 yards. I always managed 8 or 9, and that was from around a barricade, not a bench rest. That was with pre-580 pencil barrel Minis 14 and Mini 30s. I also did that with my M1 Carbine and Poly Tech AK RAW.

[OCEquestrian]

Originally Posted by imarangemaster

The last department I was on, the patrol carbine qual (back in the late 90s) was 7 of 10 shots in the head of a B-27 silhouette target at 100 yards. I always managed 8 or 9, and that was from around a barricade, not a bench rest. That was with pre-580 pencil barrel Minis 14 and Mini 30s. I also did that with my M1 Carbine and Poly Tech AK RAW.

I really like the performance and handling of my WW2 GI M1 Carbine...and it was my road trip trunk gun...until I looked at what WW2 GI M1 Carbines
are worth these days...Mini 14 now has the job.

[imarangemaster]

MY dad fought with an M1 Carbine on Iwo Jima in WW2. He said it never let him down. Iwo was all up close and personal, and that is what the carbine wqs designed for. I killed a 200 buck at 97 long paces in Nor-Cal in the late 80s with a single 110 Grn JHP with a single heart-lung shot from a USGI M1 Carbine.

[orangejesus]

I'm new to firearms and purchased a Mini-14 SS Ranch model in 5.56 as my first rifle. I took a hard look at the AR-15 platform prior to purchase, and my takeaway was I would need to either opt for a mag lock (? - hope I'm using the correct term), which I was told could make it harder to clear feeding issues, or go the featureless route - and a pistol grip with a fin seemed less comfortable to me than the traditional stock found on the Mini.

I took it to the range for the first time last weekend and had a blast. Could be that I'm missing out by not having an AR, but the ARs I was shopping (all professed 'higher end' brands - what do I know, I'm new) were twice the cost of the Mini.

This was purchased for home defense, or if - god willing - the zombie apocalypse ever rolls around; hopefully it will adequately perform if needed. I'd like to add an optic, but that's another topic on which I'll need to research.

I'm a big believer in 'two is one, one is none,' so looking to add another riffle to the safe - maybe a Mini-30?

[OCEquestrian]

Originally Posted by orangejesus

This was purchased for home defense, or if - god willing - the zombie apocalypse ever rolls around; hopefully it will adequately perform if needed. I'd like to add an optic, but that's another topic on which I'll need to research.

The only "zombie apocalypse" I suspect we might see are all the two legged criminal "zombie" vermin roaming the streets after the "Big One"

Originally Posted by orangejesus

I'm a big believer in 'two is one, one is none,' so looking to add another riffle to the safe - maybe a Mini-30?

If you want to purchase a second rifle I would recommend a featureless AR platform rifle to "diversify your platforms" or possibly step up to a M1A in 7.62 NATO to "diversify your calibers"

[golfish]

Originally Posted by orangejesus

I'm a big believer in 'two is one, one is none,' so looking to add another riffle to the safe - maybe a Mini-30?

I've got a new Mini 14 and a 189 series Mini 30. Both are good shooters and I love the wood furniture over the evil black guns (I do own a lot ARs) there's just something about these guns that I love.

[OCEquestrian]

Originally Posted by golfish

I've got a new Mini 14 and a 189 series Mini 30. Both are good shooters and I love the wood furniture over the evil black guns (I do own a lot ARs) there's just something about these guns that I love.

Nice set!

[green grunt]

I'd love to have a 16" mini with the brown stock.... now if Ruger would just sell them with a thread protector instead of a FS in Calif..

maybe someone from Ruger will have a IDEA and do just that... here's hoping.