Need help with two handgun values.

[snake Dr]

I have an Springfield 1911 A1 in Brushed Stainless. Can anyone tell me the value of it. Never been shot 0 round count. See pics.

I also have a Walther PPK/s very low round count, looks brand new. See Pics.

And a Springfield XD 9 never fired 0 round count. See pics.

I live in Central California and only have one gun shop in my area.
Any help would be much appreciated.

[morrcarr67]

Originally Posted by snake Dr

I have an Springfield 1911 A1 in Brushed Stainless. Can anyone tell me the value of it. Never been shot 0 round count. See pics.

I also have a Walther PPK/s very low round count, looks brand new. See Pics.

And a Springfield XD 9 never fired 0 round count. See pics.

I live in Central California and only have one gun shop in my area.
Any help would be much appreciated.

You have 3 guns listed, which 2 do you need help with?

[M76]

1911 $800
PPK $850
XD $450

All OBO

[ARDude]

As I said in your other post,

1911 is a Mil spec model. Gunbroker has them new for around $700.
PPKs stainless goes for about $800 new.
XD9 goes for $360-450 new.

As you only have 1 gun shop near you, I doubt they will give you much for them.

Good luck to you.

[hambam105]

ARDude might be right.

I thought the PPKs was blue.

[kingransom]

I happen to be a big fan of the Springfield XD platform in would much prefer it over the Glock. But for whatever reason people literally can't give them away for next to nothing. I've seen them go up for sale on here for $350 and the post keeps getting bumped.

[Vindag]

Originally Posted by kingransom

I happen to be a big fan of the Springfield XD platform in would much prefer it over the Glock. But for whatever reason people literally can't give them away for next to nothing. I've seen them go up for sale on here for $350 and the post keeps getting bumped.

Same here, big fan of my XD-40 Service 4 inch, which I bought in 2002, the 1st year with the Springfield name. I use it as my main home-defense gun, even though I also own several Glocks. The build quality of the XD is not only superior to Glock, but all the other polymer striker pistols on the market today. Love the use of several metal parts, especially the metal trigger, feels so good to shoot. It has always been a mystery to me why the XD isn't more popular and doesn't seem to retain its value. Does anyone have any theories?

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Originally Posted by Vindag

Same here, big fan of my XD-40 Service 4 inch, which I bought in 2002, the 1st year with the Springfield name. I use it as my main home-defense gun, even though I also own several Glocks. The build quality of the XD is not only superior to Glock, but all the other polymer striker pistols on the market today. Love the use of several metal parts, especially the metal trigger, feels so good to shoot. It has always been a mystery to me why the XD isn't more popular and doesn't seem to retain its value. Does anyone have any theories?

XD has one of the highest failure rates for striker pistols in training courses. No idea where you are getting your information from.

[Zenderfall]

Originally Posted by Vindag

Does anyone have any theories?

I shoot Glock and XD. While I do like a lot of things the XD has, like the super shiny feed ramp, the slimmer grip, metal mags, the really smooth slide action, and the pivoting takedown lever, there’s a couple things hold it back from being much loved rather than well-liked-

Trigger-i don?t like the XD’s stock trigger. It’s not bad, but it’s behind Glock. It has a fake wall that once I hit it, i have to continue pulling back more for the gun to fire. Takes getting used to but when you shoot multiple platforms regularly, it becomes a nuisance.

-bore axis height. Its a little bit taller. Not much, but it does make the gun flip a bit more than the compared-to glock.

-grip safety. It feels weird. Like everything above, its not bad, but I can feel it, and it take getting used to.

-initial price. As part of instructor discount, i can pull these for around 400-500 new from Springfield. That means they hit distributors for the same price, and the gun store has a lot of flexibility pricing them. Glocks hit distributors for maybe 100-150 more than XD’s. So of course, the low initial price will be a factor.

All in all, its an ok gun. Not bad, and I can shoot it ok. Just not one of my first picks for anything.

[Vindag]

Originally Posted by Dr. Peter Venkman

XD has one of the highest failure rates for striker pistols in training courses. No idea where you are getting your information from.

Lol, I'm getting my information from 21 years, and thousands of rounds of shooting my XD-40. Do you even own an XD? If not stop spreading nonsense, you do everyone a tremendous disservice when you are repeating something you heard.

[Vindag]

Originally Posted by Zenderfall

I shoot Glock and XD. While I do like a lot of things the XD has, like the super shiny feed ramp, the slimmer grip, metal mags, the really smooth slide action, and the pivoting takedown lever, there’s a couple things hold it back from being much loved rather than well-liked-

Trigger-i don?t like the XD’s stock trigger. It’s not bad, but it’s behind Glock. It has a fake wall that once I hit it, i have to continue pulling back more for the gun to fire. Takes getting used to but when you shoot multiple platforms regularly, it becomes a nuisance.

-bore axis height. Its a little bit taller. Not much, but it does make the gun flip a bit more than the compared-to glock.

-grip safety. It feels weird. Like everything above, its not bad, but I can feel it, and it take getting used to.

-initial price. As part of instructor discount, i can pull these for around 400-500 new from Springfield. That means they hit distributors for the same price, and the gun store has a lot of flexibility pricing them. Glocks hit distributors for maybe 100-150 more than XD’s. So of course, the low initial price will be a factor.

All in all, its an ok gun. Not bad, and I can shoot it ok. Just not one of my first picks for anything.

Fair enough. I don't agree with all your points, but you do seem to have experience with the XD. I do prefer the stock Glock trigger reset, as its shorter, and more tactile. The triggers do vary on the XD. I have 2, both bought new 2002, 2005, with original stock triggers. The 2002 gun has a better trigger, the wall then no creep whatsoever, and crisp break. The 2005 has more of what you're talking about, the wall, then creep creep creep to break. The Glock triggers are more consistent. I have 3 Glocks all bought in the late 1990's, the 3 stock triggers are identical, impossible to tell them apart.

[FNGGlock]

The PPK/s can be worth a bit more if you do a PPT, as it is off roster in CA.
hambam those came in stainless and blue.

XDs have rather limited value for resell, they simply are not as popular as Glocks or other striker pistols.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Originally Posted by Vindag

Lol, I'm getting my information from 21 years, and thousands of rounds of shooting my XD-40. Do you even own an XD? If not stop spreading nonsense, you do everyone a tremendous disservice when you are repeating something you heard.

Of course. "Thousands of rounds" over 20 years. You don't know what you don't know. Part of being an adult is realizing anecdotal experience is just that. You fire a few thousand rounds in 20 years out of a pistol and that makes you an expert on the quality of the platform as a whole.

For everyone else reading that doesn't have an emotional attachment to equipment, the XD has one of the highest documented failure rates in classes. https://primaryandsecondary.com/foru...facebook.2778/

OP, the prices M76 listed seem accurate.

[Vindag]

Originally Posted by Dr. Peter Venkman

Of course. "Thousands of rounds" over 20 years. You don't know what you don't know. Part of being an adult is realizing anecdotal experience is just that. You fire a few thousand rounds in 20 years out of a pistol and that makes you an expert on the quality of the platform as a whole.

For everyone else reading that doesn't have an emotional attachment to equipment, the XD has one of the highest documented failure rates in classes. https://primaryandsecondary.com/foru...facebook.2778/

OP, the prices M76 listed seem accurate.

Your ignorance of the XD is just breathtaking. Your so-called evidence of the suppose failures of the XD is laughable. All this "evidence" comes from one guy, Aaron Cowan, who obviously has an agenda. I will take my personal experience of 21 years, and thousands of rounds with the XD. Also, I personally know dozens of people who trained with the XD with very few problems. After reading a very articulate post from Zenderfall, another XD shooter, who actually brings up some legitimate criticisms. Have you ever owned an XD or even shot one? You still refuse to answer that.

[Robert1234]

Trigger reset too long, and not correctable.

And the grip safety was annoying.

Those reasons, and I just shot Glocks better are why I finally gave up on the XD.

[BigPimping]

I have an XD. I?ve never actually fired it. I have a lot of friends that have them, and they seem to like them very much. The ones I see that our rentals at the range, seem to function very well. This is the first I?ve heard of them having a heart failure rate.

[Zenderfall]

I’ve seen a lot of XD’s in competition. Being in CA, you tend to see the same guns over and over, maybe seeing an off-roster once every few months or so. I haven’t seen XD’s fail, not as much as others, like short barreled 1911’s. Those seem to have the worst reliability (from what I’ve seen). XD’s have many pluses. Cut slide availability, smooth rack, shiny feed ramp, thin grip, metal magazines. They’re not bad guns and if the price is decent, they’re a good option to buy, own and carry. What can I say, I’m an equal opportunity gun owner. They’re all good, until they show they’re not. XD is good.

[DolphinFan]

I would pay;
1911 $700
PPK $750
XD $400

[TomReloaded]

Originally Posted by Dr. Peter Venkman

Of course. "Thousands of rounds" over 20 years. You don't know what you don't know. Part of being an adult is realizing anecdotal experience is just that. You fire a few thousand rounds in 20 years out of a pistol and that makes you an expert on the quality of the platform as a whole.

For everyone else reading that doesn't have an emotional attachment to equipment, the XD has one of the highest documented failure rates in classes. https://primaryandsecondary.com/foru...facebook.2778/

OP, the prices M76 listed seem accurate.

Lol!

You didn't read your own link, did you? Here, I'll quote from *your own link*

"As much as I love science, sometimes anecdotal is as good as it gets due to uncontrollable variables."

- Aaron Cowan

Basically, someone going in specifically with a bias takes some anecdotal evidence and posts it as anecdotal, and you called the other guys experience anecdotal.

For California, the XD is fine. We have no options and in a lot of ways it's nicer than a gen 3 Glock. The rest of the country can buy nicer guns.

The roll pin breaks if you dry fire constantly, like how action shooters do. If you spend a dollar, you solve "the problem" with XD's. Literally the entire issue with them is high volume dry fire and a $1 pin.

My Glock safety plunger was damaged in 500 rounds. I fixed it and kept shooting. People on the Internet are hyper dramatic about small part failures.

[Vindag]

Originally Posted by BigPimping

I have an XD. I?ve never actually fired it. I have a lot of friends that have them, and they seem to like them very much. The ones I see that our rentals at the range, seem to function very well. This is the first I?ve heard of them having a heart failure rate.

There are a lot of people in California that have an XD, because it's one of the only polymer strikers on the roster. If these guns were having the heart attack failure rate as some would like us to believe, we would hear more about it. The gun shop near me sells a lot of XD's the shop owner is a good friend of mine, he doesn't recall any XD problems brought to his attention in years. and he is a Glock guy.

[Supersapper]

I have an XD-9 4" I got about 4 years ago new. Have fired about 2000-2500 rounds through it and it has light struck between 10-15 rounds, mostly the aluminum case but 1 or 2 reloads.

Tomreloaded mentioned the roll pin. Concur with that and add that dry firing will usually break roll pins over time regardless of platform. If you constantly dry fire a Sig 226, regardless of year, it will happen to that roll pin as well. Dry firing with an empty chamber is not usually very good for the pistol. Good set of snap caps will fix that.

I like it because it's reasonable quality for a very low price. Excellent combination for CCW, since the cops will take the gun in an SD incident and it will be an Act of Congress to get it back, so replacing it is not horribly expensive if you aren't able to.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Originally Posted by Vindag

Your ignorance of the XD is just breathtaking. Your so-called evidence of the suppose failures of the XD is laughable. All this "evidence" comes from one guy, Aaron Cowan, who obviously has an agenda. I will take my personal experience of 21 years, and thousands of rounds with the XD. Also, I personally know dozens of people who trained with the XD with very few problems. After reading a very articulate post from Zenderfall, another XD shooter, who actually brings up some legitimate criticisms. Have you ever owned an XD or even shot one? You still refuse to answer that.

You're right, the guy who spearheaded law enforcement across the country to adopt the MRDS for duty use and whose white paper is used to this day for that very purpose has an agenda. You're absolutely clueless and emotionally attached to your equipment. You thinking the XD build quality is superior to every single striker gun on the market today just tells me you have no experience shooting other guns and just want to make stuff up.

Originally Posted by TomReloaded

Lol!

You didn't read your own link, did you? Here, I'll quote from *your own link*

Basically, someone going in specifically with a bias takes some anecdotal evidence and posts it as anecdotal, and you called the other guys experience anecdotal.

Of course what you missed in the ensuing conversation between Aaron and other trainers is that it remains a data point that keeps repeating. A single guy with no issues is not the same as multiple trainers with multiple issues with student guns. Firing a single gun a few thousand times in 20 years doesn't make someone an expert as to the quality of the platform as a whole or to other guns. Anyone who trains and practices enough will have parts break or wear out. Anyone who hasn't had an issue is lying about how much they practice.

[Vindag]

Originally Posted by Dr. Peter Venkman

You're right, the guy who spearheaded law enforcement across the country to adopt the MRDS for duty use and whose white paper is used to this day for that very purpose has an agenda. You're absolutely clueless and emotionally attached to your equipment. You thinking the XD build quality is superior to every single striker gun on the market today just tells me you have no experience shooting other guns and just want to make stuff up.



Of course what you missed in the ensuing conversation between Aaron and other trainers is that it remains a data point that keeps repeating. A single guy with no issues is not the same as multiple trainers with multiple issues with student guns. Firing a single gun a few thousand times in 20 years doesn't make someone an expert as to the quality of the platform as a whole or to other guns. Anyone who trains and practices enough will have parts break or wear out. Anyone who hasn't had an issue is lying about how much they practice.

This post is coming from a person who has never owned or even shot an XD. Then you are accusing thousands of people of just lying about the catastrophic problems they supposedly had with their own XD. In your mind if they don't have the several failures that Aaron Cowan claims, then there just not shooting the gun or lying about the failures. I own several Glocks and have rented most of the newer plastic strikers on the market. Some of which I've shot side by side with my XD. I felt the XD had a superior build quality, especially to the Canik that I shot, but I did like the shorter trigger reset in some of the off-roster polymer strikers.

[FNGGlock]

Not sure why this thread devolved in discussing the quality or reliability of XDs. The bottomline is that XDs do not command the same resell value as some other striker platforms, especially Glocks. In my area I just don't see as many XDs as Glocks, Sigs and CZs.

Personally I think XDs are fine, just not a fan of the grip safety on a striker and also the trigger reset is not great for a striker fired (feels more like a DA/SA pistol).

[Vindag]

Originally Posted by FNGGlock

Not sure why this thread devolved in discussing the quality or reliability of XDs. The bottomline is that XDs do not command the same resell value as some other striker platforms, especially Glocks. In my area I just don't see as many XDs as Glocks, Sigs and CZs.

Personally I think XDs are fine, just not a fan of the grip safety on a striker and also the trigger reset is not great for a striker fired (feels more like a DA/SA pistol).

Have you seen the recent collapse of the price of the CZ P10C? Just a few years ago they were $550 new, now they are $300 new. Also, nothing wrong with the XD grip safety or the trigger reset. I prefer the reset of Glocks but can shoot my XD just as fast as a Glock, it's all about training. The XD reset is a little longer than I like but is still very tactile compared to others.

[Vindag]

Originally Posted by Robert1234

Trigger reset too long, and not correctable.

And the grip safety was annoying.

Those reasons, and I just shot Glocks better are why I finally gave up on the XD.

If the XD reset bothers you that much, Powder River makes a drop in trigger for the XD that has a very short reset. I personally don't have a problem with the XD stock reset, as it's a little longer than I like, but still very tactile. With proper training I can shoot my XD as fast as my Glocks. I don't see how anyone finds the grip safety annoying, when you can't even feel it. I have even tried to limp wrist my XD and can't even get the grip safety to fail in 21 years. I have limp wristed Glocks, and they did fail. I think the XD is heavy and solidly built, therefore it passes my limp wrist test. In self-defensive situations, which most happen quickly, we might not have the best grip on the gun. That is why my XD-40 Service 4 inch is my home defense gun.

[hambam105]

Originally Posted by FNGGlock

The PPK/s can be worth a bit more if you do a PPT, as it is off roster in CA.
hambam those came in stainless and blue.

XDs have rather limited value for resell, they simply are not as popular as Glocks or other striker pistols.

Are you sure about that?

[caliberetta]

Originally Posted by morrcarr67

You have 3 guns listed, which 2 do you need help with?

lol!