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Explain this to me please. IA is sacramento sheriff.

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Explain what exactly? You posted nothing.
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Explain what exactly? You posted nothing.
Denial reason was not eligible.

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Denial reason was not eligible.

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Any arrests/legal problems in your past?
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Any arrests/legal problems in your past?
Not actually a resident of Sac County?
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Not actually a resident of Sac County?
Home address is sacramento ca so I'm thinking in in sac County.

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Could be a bunch of stuff, without more detail, we would be pissing in the wind..

Age, Criminal History, Citizenship Status, Orders of protection, Mental Adjudication, Weed use...a crap ton of potential reasons.
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Not actually a resident of Sac County?
Past r.o on son father. Police called to de escalate a problem. Family i live with tried to grow. I've had my license to grow but I didnt smoke then or now.

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Could be a bunch of stuff, without more detail, we would be pissing in the wind..

Age, Criminal History, Citizenship Status, Orders of protection, Mental Adjudication, Weed use...a crap ton of potential reasons.
28 no criminal history. Us citizen. Have mild depression. Been in a rehab before I turned 18. When my grandfather past I took it pretty hard and loved alcohol for a year or so. I no long drink or smoke.

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Past r.o on son father. Police called to de escalate a problem. Family i live with tried to grow. I've had my license to grow but I didnt smoke then or now.

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Could this be the issue. It would definitely interfere with fed law.
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Could this be the issue. It would definitely interfere with fed law.
But it was cut when they were ordered to do so. And I wasn't apart of it.

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Wait, so you had a Marijuana card and told them you didn't smoke but just were just growing the plants?

I think that might be an issue...

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Wait, so you had a Marijuana card and told them you didn't smoke but just were just growing the plants?



I think that might be an issue...



I got the card to grow to see how it would help with depression and eating. Back then I was only 96 lbs. But I didnt grow and didn't smoke because issues with family came up. Never renewed.

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One of the first denial stories I completely agree with. Isn’t pot all about peace and love man. Just roll a joint for anyone who gives you trouble.
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I think the post in and of itself pretty much explains the reason for denial.
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One of the first denial stories I completely agree with. Isn’t pot all about peace and love man. Just roll a joint for anyone who gives you trouble.
I can roll a blunt but I don't smoke. Lol when I use to smoke before 18 It gave me a paranoid high. Didn't like it so I stopped.

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I think the post in and of itself pretty much explains the reason for denial.
People pull out they guns for less but I can't have one to protect myself and my 3 little ones? Because of bs thats not relevant to my life now. Mistakes are what makes us who we are. Whether you grow from them is another story. My oldest turned 10 last month and my youngest turned 3 yesterday. When you see a short chubby Asian lady with 3 little ducks it might be me.

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it doesn't really matter what anyone here thinks about MJ. The fact remains it is federally illegal, and it would not surprise us if the IA used anything related to MJ as disqualifying. Depending on the details MJ stuff might make you disqualified from even buying/owning a firearm. IA won't issue a permit to carry an illegally owned firearm. You asked for a reason, and from the few details you provided, this seems the most likely reason.
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it doesn't really matter what anyone here thinks about MJ. The fact remains it is federally illegal, and it would not surprise us if the IA used anything related to MJ as disqualifying. Depending on the details MJ stuff might make you disqualified from even buying/owning a firearm. IA won't issue a permit to carry an illegally owned firearm. You asked for a reason, and from the few details you provided, this seems the most likely reason.
Illegally owned? Thank you. Maybe it is the reason for denial. I just wish they were more clear about the reason.

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Thank you everyone I really value your inputs. Have a great and blessed day. Stay safe out there folks!

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Illegally owned? Thank you. Maybe it is the reason for denial. I just wish they were more clear about the reason.

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I was interpreting “illegally owned” as having been purchased by lying on the 4473.

But if the gun is not registered in OP’s name that certainly could cause a problem.
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Admit what?

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I was interpreting “illegally owned” as having been purchased by lying on the 4473.

But if the gun is not registered in OP’s name that certainly could cause a problem.
My guns aren't illegally owned. I figured from how the interview went i would be denied I just wanted a more clearer reason than just not eligible.

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You were denied a concealed weapons license, not the right to own a firearm. Just because I believe wholeheartedly that everybody that's a law abiding citizen should own a firearm, that doesn't mean I think that most of them should be running around the street with one because they have a license. Just your level of emotion on here regarding this shows me you would probably escalate rather than deescalate a situation that could potentially turn into something much bigger
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‘Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?’

Doesn't sound like "did you smoke pot years ago as a minor?" or "Did you get a permit a long time ago to use medical marijuna, which is long expired?" to me.

Doesn't mean the firearm is "illegally owned".

Still may certainly be grounds for denying a CCW permit.
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You were denied a concealed weapons license, not the right to own a firearm. Just because I believe wholeheartedly that everybody that's a law abiding citizen should own a firearm, that doesn't mean I think that most of them should be running around the street with one because they have a license. Just your level of emotion on here regarding this shows me you would probably escalate rather than deescalate a situation that could potentially turn into something much bigger
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‘Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?’

Doesn't sound like "did you smoke pot years ago as a minor?" or "Did you get a permit a long time ago to use medical marijuna, which is long expired?" to me.

Doesn't mean the firearm is "illegally owned".

Still may certainly be grounds for denying a CCW permit.
Reminder that Federal Courts have clarified the issue in that simply possessing a medical marijuana card makes that person a prohibited person that can not legally own/possess any firearm or ammunition.

It even applies to a person who never used marijuana, but obtained a medical marijuana card for other reasons.

Because of the Federal prohibitions regarding firearms/ammunition and marijuana, a person can be denied a State CCW permit for not being eligible to obtain the CCW permit due to not being able to legally own/possess firearms/ammunition.
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Reminder that Federal Courts have clarified the issue in that simply possessing a medical marijuana card makes that person a prohibited person that can not legally own/possess any firearm or ammunition.

It even applies to a person who never used marijuana, but obtained a medical marijuana card for other reasons.

Because of the Federal prohibitions regarding firearms/ammunition and marijuana, a person can be denied a State CCW permit for not being eligible to obtain the CCW permit due to not being able to legally own/possess firearms/ammunition.
That case, IIRC, revolved around someone who currently held one at the time of filing. Not someone who had held one at some point the past.

California is still a "May Issue" state primarily at the whim of the sheriff. OP may absolutely have been denied based on having a card in the past.

But that doesn't make their current ownership of a firearm illegal or mean they lied on background check.
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I got the card to grow to see how it would help with depression and eating. Back then I was only 96 lbs. But I didnt grow and didn't smoke because issues with family came up. Never renewed.

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So you had a grower's card AND you admitted to use of illegal narcotics because you're subject to bouts of depression?


Yeah, no wonder they told you that you weren't eligible. Plus, at this point I'm wondering why you haven't posted that they also confiscated your guns.
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Anyone who uses MJ regularly should never be issued a CCW. You made the choice to do so and now you must accept the consequences of that choice. Carry pepper spray!
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She keeps saying she doesnt smoke anymore. Maybe your good cause wasnt good enough for them.
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She keeps saying she doesnt smoke anymore. Maybe your good cause wasnt good enough for them.
It's not about good cause, it's about "eligibility."

MJ card = not eligible.
Admission of illegal drug use = not eligible.
Treatment for depression = serious red flag.

Interesting conundrum, under "shall issue" would this thread even exist?
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It's not about good cause, it's about "eligibility."

MJ card = not eligible.
Admission of illegal drug use = not eligible.
Treatment for depression = serious red flag.

Interesting conundrum, under "shall issue" would this thread even exist?
OP was crystal clear that said MJ card was expired.

There is no case law or ruling that past use is disqualifying. Multiple people seem to be struggling with this.

The question is not "Are you now or have you ever been".
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You were denied a concealed weapons license, not the right to own a firearm. Just because I believe wholeheartedly that everybody that's a law abiding citizen should own a firearm, that doesn't mean I think that most of them should be running around the street with one because they have a license. Just your level of emotion on here regarding this shows me you would probably escalate rather than deescalate a situation that could potentially turn into something much bigger
You could apply the same logic to owning a firearm, otherwise you are advocating psychological tests for CCW. Slippery slope, that is how the CA roster ended up where it is now.
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Just because I believe wholeheartedly that everybody that's a law abiding citizen should own a firearm, that doesn't mean I think that most of them should be running around the street with one because they have a license.
- Ok Gavin Newsom. Glad you feel it's your right or duty to decide who is allowed to exercise their 2a. What a joke. I'm alerting Fuddbusters. Sounds like you come from the (would prefer to disarm the populous so you can control them crowd). Yeah I think I everyone should own guns so I can pretend to be a 2a supporter, as long as I control how and when they exercise it.



To the OP - I think if you were/are growing drugs and had a permit to do so thats pretty clearly the reason. If you have been involved with the police in anyway I'm pretty sure that hurts your chances tremendously from what I have read.

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Anyone who uses MJ regularly should never be issued a CCW. You made the choice to do so and now you must accept the consequences of that choice. Carry pepper spray!
Would/should that also apply to anyone who ever uses any alcoholic beverage?
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Would/should that also apply to anyone who ever uses any alcoholic beverage?
On State level...

Under CA's may issue CCW system, being a habitual alcoholic can get you denied due to not being a person of good moral character.

Under NV's shall issue CCW system, being a habitual alcoholic can get you denied and/or having your permit revoked.
^NV determines this if you have been arrested for any alcohol related crime within 5 years or have gone into rehab within 5 years or if someone reports you as a habitual alcoholic within 5 years.


On Federal level...

Difference between the two is how Federal laws treats them.

One is a Schedule 1 controlled substance and the other is not.

Until, the Federal laws change on how one of them is treated, they are not the same.


It's interesting to note that anti-gun proponents are pro-legalization on the State level, but anti-legalization on the Federal level. This is done on purpose, because it causes those who use it legally on a State level to be considered a prohibited person on the Federal level and Federal enforcement can then be utilized to legally confiscate firearms/ammunition from those persons.
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Anyone who uses MJ regularly should never be issued a CCW.

I'm curious on your opinion and thoughts about people who regularly drink. Do you feel the same way about them that you do about people who smoke marijuana?
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