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Old 07-10-2019, 10:18 AM
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So the OP should sue them over the $35?
I'll answer this since I too was advocating making a small claim.

It wouldn't be for 35. The seller would refuse pickup and then he would sue for 35+ gun value + damages.

So if the gun were $1200, I would sue for $2435.

It costs you anywhere from 45 to 100 to file plus a few hours of your time. You force the owner in to court and there is even the chance he has a no show which is an automatic judgement in your favor.
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I'll answer this since I too was advocating making a small claim.

It wouldn't be for 35. The seller would refuse pickup and then he would sue for 35+ gun value + damages.

So if the gun were $1200, I would sue for $2435.
OK that makes more sense. Thanks for explaining.
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Old 07-10-2019, 12:01 PM
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"Wonít it be hilarious if the process was held up, and rather than attempting to have an intelligent discussion with the owner of the establishment, perhaps bringing about a satisfactory conclusion for all, the OP, in his state of Acute Butt Hurt gets the transaction reported to the DOJ, adds fuel to the fire with his own sobbing to Big Brother/Mommy, and gets a charge dropped on the seller?"



Everyone saw the threat there, right?



"No connection"



Uh-huh.


By the way, ďEverybody saw the threat there right?Ē

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Old 07-10-2019, 12:15 PM
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If it is true then it is not actionable. And given that it is written there for all to see I doubt a plaintiff could convince a jury that no threat was made. And letís remember that the seller, who according to some made too many transactions, is not even the guy who posted the Yelp review yet he is caught up in the DROS cancellation mess too. If Guns Direct believes the facts are different weíd all love them to chime in here and describe their understanding of the situation.
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Old 07-10-2019, 12:30 PM
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So Guns Direct is the rattlesnake and you think the OP should leave them to bite another person?




But they aren't his problems.



Who is he that demands somebody serve him? He is the guy who paid for the service!




I think "laying waste" is a bit of an overstatement. People are giving their opinions based on what information they have, the people reading the opinions should understand that and take it into consideration when deciding how much weight to give them.

Guns Direct hasn't responded to the yelp review so I guess they aren't disputing that version of events. They must have seen it if that is why they canceled the transfer.



So the OP should have just fought the guy?



So the OP should sue them over the $35?

Its funny how you seem to be so angry about the OP contacting the DOJ while all but ignoring how the FFL used California's ridiculous laws to exact revenge for a negative review.

If a FFL wants to treat a people doing PPTs like crap in order to avoid doing them I think that is pretty messed up but I don't think it warrants calling the DOJ. It does however warrant a negative review. If that his how they run their business they should expect some negative reviews. When they decide to punish someone for a negative review by taking advantage of waiting periods and transfer fees that crosses a line and I have no problem with the victim reporting that unlawful behavior to the department tasked with enforcing that law.

Your post was all over the place and chock-full of insults. If you don't get banned, I would suggest you refrain from posting after you have been drinking.

A) If he has an issue with somebody based upon the idiosyncrasies of a bull**** system, I believe he shouldnít take it those that put that system in place, for the purpose of ****ing youíll him, you, and me out of our rights to un**** the problem. How anybody thinks they wonít use anything we say or do against us if at all possible baffles me.

B) Heís demanding service and stating that he doesnít care what their problems are. Itís black and white. Flippant disregard to their free state of being in a free society of Capitalist ventures.

C) Yeah- laying waste is literal translation.

D) No dumbass, the nature of myself, my person, was being questioned. I was replying with the difference in how I handle things. Really arenít good with the whole comprehension thing.

E) Itís about principle, not issue. Their is a process that can be pursued that doesnít entail getting in bed with our enemies. Further, if you had a clue, you would know that there all types of suits for different claims. Bad faith? Could have a $10 actual damage coupled with a $15,000,000 punitive damage attached for a gross violation, for example. The reality, however, is the seller could seek triple damages over the loss of the transaction, potentially.

D) Perhaps you ought to seek help for your inability to adequately utilize your inherently gifted as a human faculties in re: the tools of composition and deconstruction. I donít normally drink. Tonight Iíll toss a couple back in honor of the passing of your last intelligent comment.

Proving them right as always, divide and conquer. But donít worry. Theyíre from the government (that ****s us all repetitively, and daily, just like clockwork), and theyíre here to help you.

Will people ever get the point that there are different ways to skin a cat, and just because you can do something doesnít indicate that you should? There are larger items than one personís desire to bring a store under fire due to his little feelings getting hurt. He is likely THE reason our compatriot gets looked at for the DROS violation (six transactions per year).

And you still have not heard from the other side on this. Nevertheless, you are, without noting the contempt in his voice, assuming the OP is just telling the whole truth just as it happened. Yeah- normally thatís how it goes in a dispute, right?

Play right into the nanny state doctrineís hands. Ayn Rand, Ludwig von Mises, FA Hayek, Robert Heinlein, George Orwell, and the collective power of all minds at The Cato Institute, and all its brethren couldnít cumulatively construct a greater model fool for their arguments, then the one you represent.

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Old 07-10-2019, 12:37 PM
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If it is true then it is not actionable. And given that it is written there for all to see I doubt a plaintiff could convince a jury that no threat was made. And letís remember that the seller, who according to some made too many transactions, is not even the guy who posted the Yelp review yet he is caught up in the DROS cancellation mess too. If Guns Direct believes the facts are different weíd all love them to chime in here and describe their understanding of the situation.


How could it be true? Iím not making a threat and have zero standing to do so, regardless. Itís called rhetoric. Go to the next thing I said, which was conveniently missing from the quoted section of my comment.

So, he is right there on paper, accusing me of something I didnít do. Something that is a crime, in fact to do. I have zero connection with the gun store other than having been treated well, like most Yelp reviewers have tended to express, at their establishment.

Iím simply taken to attempt to point out a different perspective related to the post; and doing that as an advocate for those of us who donít wish to see the CA DOJ BOF have any additional stature or funding or work product by which to **** us.

Further, I disagree vehemently with the implications of the OPís conjecture related to the nature of oneís rights with regards to anotherís enterprises, and actions, vis a vis the nature of the mommy state mentality. My apologies for disagreeing.


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Old 07-10-2019, 12:53 PM
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OP wasnít telling the business what to do with own affairs, he was perturbed that they essentially locked him out of access to his own property by cancelling the DROS. Now the other person affected by this, the seller, has to pick up the gun and they have to restart the transaction at a different FFL. The FFL, as far as the facts show so far, had no legitimate reason to use Californiaís DROS laws and the FFLís physical possession of the gun, as weapons to use against a customer who voiced his displeasure with the business.
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Expecting an FFL to complete the transaction the FFL started instead of deliberately causing you expense, a new ten day waiting period, and drive time is acting entitled? The ďstore can do no wrongĒ mindset is popular here.
This! Very weird taking pride in being a pushover.
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I think most people have been civil despite danny b's obvious attempts to have the thread locked with his constant baiting. I hope the mods don't lock the thread.

I myself will stop feeding the troll.
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Old 07-10-2019, 1:26 PM
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Pretending to be a victim to get a thread locked intentionally.

Not new.
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Old 07-10-2019, 1:48 PM
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Iím a victim. I had to hear AOC talk about economics and socialism once.
How the hell did you manage that? You mean only once today?
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Old 07-10-2019, 1:58 PM
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Old 07-10-2019, 2:08 PM
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Iím a victim. I had to hear AOC talk about economics and socialism once.


Nobodyís pretending to be a victim. Once again, your hold on rhetoric is challenged.




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Here you go danny b.
I see your point.
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Iím a victim. I had to hear AOC talk about economics and socialism once.


Judging by the crying mentality here, it would seem youíve fully embraced and mastered her ďany government is good government,Ē ideals.


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Old 07-10-2019, 2:21 PM
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Here you go danny b.
X2

Danny B is very clearly having a manic episode.
I sincerely hope he contacts his doctor to get his medications adjusted.

The ridiculous, over-the-top rants would be comedic if they weren't such obvious signs of mental distress.
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Judging by the crying mentality here, it would seem you’ve fully embraced and mastered her “any government is good government,” ideals.


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I’ve read this entire thread and wow... you need to take the tin foil off your head. I actually hope you are somewhat affiliated with Guns Direct cause you sound like you may need that straight jacket if not.
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Iíve read this entire thread and wow... you need to take the tin foil off your head. I actually hope you are somewhat affiliated with Guns Direct cause you sound like you may need that straight jacket if not.


Yeah, being fervent and consistent in oneís philosophical stance is worthy of an asylum, when one lives in a world of weather vane roosters.


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Here you go danny b.
OK, it wasn't just me thinking this.

Not encountered this danny b fellow on here before. I now know to avoid this guy. Nothing wrong with disagreements. Nothing wrong with debating. But this fellow is either of his meds, or is seriously in need of some.
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Side note... Their friends down the street charge $20 for a lock for PPTs even if it comes with the original factory lock.

Their justification? They need to make money on PPTs.
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Update on the Yelp review. JJ from GD responds to the review, a week later:

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7/11/2019 Henry,

Let's be precise about what happened the day you came into the shop because half of what you state above contradicts the other half. You DID enter the shop and complain about having to wait to do a PPT because we were busy with other clients who were purchasing firearms. Stop claiming that you didn't. It was the crux of the entire incident.

Henry, I don't know how things work at your doctor, your dentist, or your local branch of the DMV but when you have an appointment that doesn't mean you are guaranteed to be helped immediately at that requested time. People doing PPTs often seem to arrive in packs, especially on the weekends. An appointment for a PPT means that you will be the first PPT done when someone is available, even if multiple people arrived before you. I'm sorry that you didn't understand that but I'm afraid we can't accept responsibility for your misinterpretations.

Henry, I also don't know how you conduct your personal career or business but I certainly don't presume to start instructing you how to do it. Yet you were full of criticism for our practices and policies. This shop is indeed a mom & pop shop - a small, privately run business. We do our utmost to hold down costs, deliver quality products with a high level of service, and enjoy our clientele...right up to the point where they make unreasonable demands and level personal insults at our team members. Then the gloves come off and we will give as good as we get. I love how hypocritical you are by leveling comments at how rude we are and how nasty our responses in Yelp can be...I'm sorry, did you read your profanity - laden review above?

Lastly, Phil never responds to these reviews, good or bad. I usually do. Unlike you, we put our real names on our reviews because we can back up what we say and have nothing to hide. My name is Palmer and I'm the Assistant Manager here at Guns Direct. I work Thursdays and if you hadn't been such an unconscionable jerk and gotten our Senior Manager Phil so annoyed he has banned you from the shop you could have come by and asked for me. We are glad to hear that you are done with us because we have too many valued clients to waste our time with someone like you. Good riddance.
First of all, JJ wasn't there that day so all he as is a rundown from Phil vs. my review.

Secondly: Just throwing a general "you complained" and "unreasonable demands" and "level on insults" is not enough. Just like I quoted Phil's comments to me VERBATIM, you should have done the same! What was said? What insults came out of my mouth? Who did I insult? What demands did I make? You can't just wave your magic wand and come up with a cool version of a story that suits your response. At the very least you could have reached out to me and confirmed whatever was allegedly said. But...you didn't. Based on your response, you're just a social media, customer service manager (funny how everyone has a manager title in a mom and pop shop) who comes in one day a week and who responds to Yelp reviews and maybe you just fear the Senior Manager Phil's wrath and that's the reason you didn't do a better job being impartial.

Thirdly: what do you mean with "Unlike you, we put our real names on our reviews..."? Was that your lame attempt to discredit me? Cute!!! This is how much research was done on your end before you responded:

Below is a copy of the DROS. Mind you, I provided my REAL ID, plus I provided two additional ID's confirming my name and CA residency, plus I had brought in my passport which I was told was not needed because the REAL ID is sufficient. A successful DROS would have not been possible had there been a name mismatch. This is also a screenshot of my Yelp profile, matching the name on the DROS.

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OK, it wasn't just me thinking this.

Not encountered this danny b fellow on here before. I now know to avoid this guy. Nothing wrong with disagreements. Nothing wrong with debating. But this fellow is either of his meds, or is seriously in need of some.
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Side note... Their friends down the street charge $20 for a lock for PPTs even if it comes with the original factory lock.

Their justification? They need to make money on PPTs.
I swear, had they pulled a cute move like this...I wouldn't bat an eye, would have forked over the cash and be on my merry way. Anything but to listen to the whining and crying about PPT's and the F'ing $10 profit. God Dammmmn it Phil, when will millennials learn???

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Lastly, Phil never responds to these reviews, good or bad. I usually do. Unlike you, we put our real names on our reviews because we can back up what we say and have nothing to hide. My name is Palmer and I'm the Assistant Manager here at Guns Direct. I work Thursdays and if you hadn't been such an unconscionable jerk and gotten our Senior Manager Phil so annoyed he has banned you from the shop you could have come by and asked for me. We are glad to hear that you are done with us because we have too many valued clients to waste our time with someone like you. Good riddance.
That would be funny if it wasn't so disengenuously sad.

If Palmer is the Asst. Manager, and Phil is the Senior Manager. That means Palmer works for Phil.

Why would a dissatisfied customer. Come back another day to speak to a subordinate butt puppet?
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Not sure if I missed it, is the seller a member of this forum?
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There response mentions nothing of a refund...they are now clearly in the wrong. OP did you pay with a credit card?
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Not sure if I missed it, is the seller a member of this forum?
He is not a member and not really active on social media. I did send him the link to this thread and his mind was blown by the number of responses. Once this thing blows over and we complete the transfer at another FFL, I'd like him to join and confirm everything I've mentioned here. He arrived 3 minutes after I got there and he witnessed the entire dog and pony show.
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There response mentions nothing of a refund...they are now clearly in the wrong. OP did you pay with a credit card?
Yes sir...American Express...Dispute already sent in and temporary credit already posted to my card.
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Unlike you, we put our real names on our reviews because we can back up what we say and have nothing to hide. My name is Palmer
just saying....
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Update on the Yelp review. JJ from GD responds to the review, a week later:



First of all, JJ wasn't there that day so all he as is a rundown from Phil vs. my review.

Secondly: Just throwing a general "you complained" and "unreasonable demands" and "level on insults" is not enough. Just like I quoted Phil's comments to me VERBATIM, you should have done the same! What was said? What insults came out of my mouth? Who did I insult? What demands did I make? You can't just wave your magic wand and come up with a cool version of a story that suits your response. At the very least you could have reached out to me and confirmed whatever was allegedly said. But...you didn't. Based on your response, you're just a social media, customer service manager (funny how everyone has a manager title in a mom and pop shop) who comes in one day a week and who responds to Yelp reviews and maybe you just fear the Senior Manager Phil's wrath and that's the reason you didn't do a better job being impartial.

Thirdly: what do you mean with "Unlike you, we put our real names on our reviews..."? Was that your lame attempt to discredit me? Cute!!! This is how much research was done on your end before you responded:

Below is a copy of the DROS. Mind you, I provided my REAL ID, plus I provided two additional ID's confirming my name and CA residency, plus I had brought in my passport which I was told was not needed because the REAL ID is sufficient. A successful DROS would have not been possible had there been a name mismatch. This is also a screenshot of my Yelp profile, matching the name on the DROS.

A one day a week working manager? BS. He is the social media manager.
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Did Guns Direct explain what the other guy (seller) did wrong also to justify the cancelletion of the DROS?

Phil sounds like a butthurt millenial....
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A one day a week working manager? BS. He is the social media manager.
Even "social media manager" seems like a stretch for a one day a week part time employee.

Just as Phil's "Senior Manager" title sounds much more impressive than his actual function at the establishment.

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Old 07-12-2019, 8:56 PM
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Yeah, being fervent and consistent in oneís philosophical stance is worthy of an asylum, when one lives in a world of weather vane roosters.


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Hahaha have you been writing these ideas down? Perhaps a few paragraphs? Maybe a manifesto?
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That would be funny if it wasn't so disengenuously sad.

If Palmer is the Asst. Manager, and Phil is the Senior Manager. That means Palmer works for Phil.

Why would a dissatisfied customer. Come back another day to speak to a subordinate butt puppet?
Because in the upside-down chaotic world of GD, where incompetent family members are given senior positions, where said senior managers may or may not take their medicines regularly, thus making them unstable, inconsistent and incoherent humans who are interacting with the general public, they probably do go to the gopher to get better treatment.
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