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Old 01-14-2021, 4:35 PM
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Ask your rep friend if they're ever going to come out with a 6" Target version. That's the version I want. A 5" optics cut version would work for me too.

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I think I can get $4K for my '81 Honda 900F. The wife won't even notice it's gone.

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Iv considered picking one up as a new range toy but I think a 2011 is calling my name more.
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210 heavy frames are sexier
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Anybody around San Fernando Valley wants to try one, I can organize at Oak Tree. You will need to bring your factory loaded brass cased full metal jacket ammo.
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Calguns phenomenon-everybody wants to have, but nobody wants try! LOL. Not a first time see such a thing!
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Calguns phenomenon-everybody wants to have, but nobody wants try! LOL. Not a first time see such a thing!
That’s because if they try it, they will love it. Then they will be sad cuz they can’t find one to buy at a reasonable price

I love my P210A Target.
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I would take you up on your offer, but 7 hours each way is too far for a quick test.
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I am trying to help people who is on fence to spend $$$$ or to hold. I am Ok. I tried and I love it. Didn’t like target grip-way to bulky for my taste.
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Check out this crazy one. $4800 in free states, P210 Skeleton.



Sportsmans Warehouse is saying it's the last of the guns from Germany.
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Check out this crazy one. $4800 in free states, P210 Skeleton.



Sportsmans Warehouse is saying it's the last of the guns from Germany.
DAMN YOU KALIFORNIA!
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Check out this crazy one. $4800 in free states, P210 Skeleton.



Sportsmans Warehouse is saying it's the last of the guns from Germany.

This looks like a skeleton version of the German Mastershop P210 super target . Too beautiful to shoot .


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Check out this crazy one. $4800 in free states, P210 Skeleton.



Sportsmans Warehouse is saying it's the last of the guns from Germany.

Wow that’s quite amazing! And German!!


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I like it, but I certainly don't like it 5 thousand dollars worth! Which is what I say about most high end 1911s too, and which is what a lot of people say about the 210A Target that I bought last spring, so...I'll shut my mouth and admire from afar.
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i'm over it, because i have to be over it.
kind of like i am over jessica alba.
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Check out this crazy one. $4800 in free states, P210 Skeleton.



Sportsmans Warehouse is saying it's the last of the guns from Germany.
I'd buy that. People are paying that much for CZs and Gucci Glocks.
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DAMN YOU KALIFORNIA!
It's freakin $4800 out of CA, imagine how much it would be in CA. 10 grand at least, maybe 15.
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$4800!!! please take my arm and leg. and if that's not enough, my kidney is available.
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For one, why would you skeletonize a gun meant to be a target-gun where weight is an advantage, especially in consideration of where they did the skeletonizing itself?

Second, of all the things to skeletonize, why would you skeletonize the dust shield? That essentially defeats that purpose of that area.

And just what is gained by skeletonizing that trigger, other than to create an entry way for dust and dirt into its operation where you are in fact sticking your finger on a regular basis?
I don't think you'd need more weight added to a low-bore, compensated longslide in 9mm.

Wouldn't be too worried about dirt getting under dustcover. This is a target gun that travels from case to range before cleaning and back to case, it isn't meant to be a carry piece

I do agree about the trigger.
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I don't think you'd need more weight added to a low-bore, compensated longslide in 9mm.

Wouldn't be too worried about dirt getting under dustcover. This is a target gun that travels from case to range before cleaning and back to case, it isn't meant to be a carry piece

I do agree about the trigger.
True, but removing any weight doesn't make sense either.

I suppose one can fit it with barrel-weights a la some Olympian guns, or like the Hi-Standards, but since it doesn't have a rail to do so unless you add one - then it doesn't make sense to skeletonize it either.

I think adding a rail for that purpose alone would make more sense than skeletonizing such a target-gun.
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It 'looks' cool, and if that was the intent, I get it. It's an artsy-piece, looking to be very HR Giger, a statement, but poorly executed. What they have done to it makes no sense at all, from several perspectives.

For one, why would you skeletonize a gun meant to be a target-gun where weight is an advantage, especially in consideration of where they did the skeletonizing itself?

Second, of all the things to skeletonize, why would you skeletonize the dust shield? That essentially defeats that purpose of that area.

And just what is gained by skeletonizing that trigger, other than to create an entry way for dust and dirt into its operation where you are in fact sticking your finger on a regular basis?

While its true the M49/SIG P210 was originally intended and produced to be a law-enforcement and military side-arm, in the advent of double-stack 9mm guns with more rugged and simple attributes to better fit that ask, the SIG P210 has since been relegated to 9mm target-gun status.

So the skeletonizing of its bits, especially in areas where that would otherwise not be wanted, purely smacks of marketing 'cool' to the video-game-boy crowd, and for what this gun is trying to be is an the antithesis of its design.

So as frivolous art fodder, yeah, it's fun, looks cool, to a point.

But it would look better without all the tacti-cool skeletonizing mods. The only exception where credit is due is that it does at least have hits original production heritage.

I've looked at and handled the new renditions of SIG P210s and have not been impressed. They feel loose, fittings off, and 'cheaper' to a degree, triggers not as sure in their action - still good guns, and likely accurate no doubt, but not to the taught and extreme perfection one instantly sees in the original P210s.

They seem as if they have been decommission in their quality, as if commissioned with a broader allowance of tolerance and lack to mass produce them for a thirsty American market more concerned about capitalizing on the duly earned legend of a moniker, and slapping that name ion the side, like most SIGs now days.

Reminds me of what Colt has done with the 'Python' or what Toyota did with the Supra.
While much of it may be marketing aesthetics, there may be a functional purpose to it. You'll notice most competition cuts on competing guns from other manufacturers are also very artistic now. Check out ZEV, Taran Tactical, STI, SVI, Atlas, BUL, and Limcat. All those cuts aren't just for looks. Those manufacturers figured if they had to make the cuts anyway for improved function and speed, they might as well make those cuts look badass. I don't own a P210 and haven't shot one, so I may be talking out my butt.

That Sig is NOT a duty gun. P210's haven't been duty guns for a long time now. They have been relegated to collectors and competitors mostly. Since it's designed specifically for gun games now, all those lightening cuts may make sense.

I've read that some think the 5" balances better than the 6". So the dust cover lightening cuts may be to help offset that perceived inequity. The slide cuts are obviously lightening cuts. That's a lot of material they removed. That would also really speed up the cycle time for rapid fire. It would also require a lighter recoil spring to help reduce muzzle bounce and faster splits. A lighter gun like that would also help with target transitions. The marginally lighter weight would even help with slow fire when you hold for a long time before squeezing the shot off. A lighter gun is also nicer for long training sessions and long courses of fire.

The skeletonized hammer and trigger could help eliminate hammer and trigger bounce.

For gun games, which this gun is obviously designed for, having entry pathways for dirt and grit are meaningless. They won't face those conditions in the type of competitions this gun would be shot at.

BTW, IMHO, the new Colt Python is a superior gun to it's predecessor. They've eliminated all the weaknesses of the original.
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I've read that some think the 5" balances better than the 6". So the dust cover lightening cuts may be to help offset that perceived inequity. The slide cuts are obviously lightening cuts. That's a lot of material they removed. That would also really speed up the cycle time for rapid fire. It would also require a lighter recoil spring to help reduce muzzle bounce and faster splits. A lighter gun like that would also help with target transitions. The marginally lighter weight would even help with slow fire when you hold for a long time before squeezing the shot off. A lighter gun is also nicer for long training sessions and long courses of fire.

The skeletonized hammer and trigger could help eliminate hammer and trigger bounce.

For gun games, which this gun is obviously designed for, having entry pathways for dirt and grit are meaningless. They won't face those conditions in the type of competitions this gun would be shot at.

BTW, IMHO, the new Colt Python is a superior gun to it's predecessor. They've eliminated all the weaknesses of the original.
I get what you're saying.

But in that regard, then I think anyone with intent on the above is going to choose a SIG-226 or 228 with double-stack mags, or some other gun more adept for these game oriented reasons than a single stack target gun, outside of Swiss style one-hand competition target shooting being the purpose; and then I would not want the lightening to any degree.

It's not even available to the most common markets limited to 10-rounds that may make the best use of it for such gun games (being California) where maybe the advantage would be a thinner grip and lighter cycling mass as mentioned.

Now if I was thinking of such a gun-games gun and limited to 10-rounds only, and could get it in CA, then that in fact might be ideal; but the Roster will have killed that goal before it were even a thought.

I have 5 of 4 variations of the original SIG 49s (i.e., one being the duty version from 1953) a P210-2, P210-5, and P210-6s; and no, after comparing them to the new renditions, the originals absolutely exude better craftsmanship.

As for the Colt Python, I do not agree; having several originals and picking up the latest in a 6", the original is still better made even with it's potential for timing faults, and so much of the fragility of what everyone likes to espouse about the originals is not wholly accurate, which were never meant to be "duty" guns either.

All Colt has done with the new Python is released a common revolver to the market no better than what was already available on the market from any number of Smith & Wesson or Ruger revolvers (not to mention the Smith P.C. guns) of the past 30 years, yet those can be had for much less, and still had gotten a better gun than the current Colt Python even with it being billed as being without the "weaknesses" of the originals.

And the irony is that it still has weaknesses as was learned in short order and the trigger is certainly no improvement.... and then they slapped the "Python" name on it for something that is marginally just a hair better than most any other common revolver - with people foolishly paying double the price because it says "Python" on the side.

Colt simply saw the mystique and attraction of what the gun world was placing on the original Python, which was boosted by its pop-culture rise by way of frequent appearance in a certain TV Soap Opera with zombies, and didn't want to miss out while the trend was still hot.

Marketing ploy, just like that SIG.
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I would settle for a M49 at $1500 all day.

I did hold a nice Kimber 1911 blued ,45 today at $1K that was nice in fit and trigger.

I might have to bag the CZ97 for that. My problem is when it's to pretty I won't use it.

Lord I wish I still had the clunker I carried for two years in 1967. Humpped in in the mud and rain and didn't care as long as it wet boom boom a few times when it had to.
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