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Old 09-08-2018, 12:39 PM
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This ^.

Besides, the guy is retired. Whatever his beliefs may be, he has no more ability to act on them or to impose them on others than any other citizen.
This Anti is on the tax payer dole and can vote, probably votes against our rights when given a chance.
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Old 09-08-2018, 1:54 PM
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I have met his type so many times it gives me headaches. Ignorance of the LAW is no excuse. Either you have the votes to repeal the 2nd Amendment or you don't. Trying to do an end run around the Constitution simply does not cut it!
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Old 09-08-2018, 2:22 PM
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This Anti is on the tax payer dole and can vote, probably votes against our rights when given a chance.
Yeah, so how does that distinguish him from most other people in CA?
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Old 09-08-2018, 2:47 PM
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...asked him him if he was pro or anti, took him a few seconds to respond, his reply was "The 2A was written a long time ago", right there, I gave up and did not want to debate with him(pointless).
So, giving you the benefit of the doubt and presuming he said this in a way that supports your interpretation...

It’s odd to me when people who dislike gun ownership feel the need to go top shelf and escalate right to lamenting/attacking the second amendment. I would ask, “Really? What law has the second amendment help overturn that you felt was the one we really needed to have?”

The sort of back-handed propaganda message that “the gun owners have won and we never do anything about guns because of the second amendment.” has really paid dividends for democrats. Hearing Democratic voters in California repeat it would be more amusing if it weren’t so depressing.
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Old 09-08-2018, 3:40 PM
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Maybe he was about to say it’s so old because it’s great. The retired guy never said what his stance was. Also, who cares, Calguns is turning into a sissy hangout.
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Old 09-13-2018, 10:38 PM
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He was prolly antigun before he joined the FBI, and saw carrying a gun as a chore. FBI guys ive seen are nerds that don't like to get their hands dirty.

Don't sweat it, at least you know you cant count on him for anything.
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Old 09-14-2018, 7:41 AM
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Some cops are NIMBY's when it comes to citizens owning firearms. They don't trust us with guns.

It makes one suspect their oath to their office and the constitution.
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Kid sister is an SA out of Phoenix. When she joined the bureau out of college, she could only get a position as a Forensic Accountant so had to work up to be a Special Agent. In her words, the FBI is a 'gun culture. You have to carry a gun to be considered a real agent'.

When she stays with us here in SoCal, she always wants to go out to shoot.
I've heard the same thing about the FBI "gun culture". However, this does not translate into an institutional pro-2A outlook. I'd be interested to hear your sister's outlook on if this stems more from an outlook of "If you want to be a 'REAL COP' you need to be one who is out in the field carrying a gun" or if it's a more constitutional outlook.

I would bet on the former.

I can definitely see there being "REAL COPS" who, when the majority of citizens they deal with day in and day out are s**t-bags who should be nowhere near a gun, don't think ANY citizen should be allowed a gun.
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Old 09-14-2018, 9:12 AM
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The FBI currently had about 35,000 employees, statistically speaking some of the will be anti A2, some will be Pro A2, and some won't give a poop about the A2. Not earth shattering info here and not a reason to imply all FBI agents are anti A2......

A sample size of 1 in not really a sample..
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All due respect to pro-2nd LEOs on here, I don't look to law enforcement, or any other agents of the government, for opinions on the Bill of Rights, which were meant as a firewall between us and them. I'm sure many would curtail the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments as well.

With that said, we have at least one former FBI agent teaching CCW courses here in OC, and I'm sure other LEO's doing so as well.

It's also kind of ironic that some county sheriffs have been acting as something of advocates for our right to carry versus Sacramento's wishes, when they could all be total aholes like in Los Angeles if they wanted to.

If you want your rights protected, get out there and vote, and be good ambassadors for guns, and get your friends to vote (the right way!). CA might be a bad, but we still need to hold the House and every red legislattive district and county and city offices we can.
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Old 09-14-2018, 3:37 PM
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@Garand, you obviously don't know any FBI agent and have never had any interaction with them. I have nothing against you and don't even know you so I won't make a snap analysis of your reason for making such a stupid remark.
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No news here, typical LEO response.
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No news here, typical LEO response.
Then your knowledge about LEOs doesn't even exceed your knowledge about Quantum Physics..........
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@Garand, you obviously don't know any FBI agent and have never had any interaction with them. I have nothing against you and don't even know you so I won't make a snap analysis of your reason for making such a stupid remark.
Excuse me, but by calling his remark stupid you did make a snap analysis.

Reminds me of the disaster news on TV "I do not want to make conjecture as I am not there or an expert........but they are doomed and will all die a horrible death-watch it all live tonight on the 6 O'clock news".
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Old 09-16-2018, 2:09 AM
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Not all Special Agents are gun-loving-action-figures like in the movies. They can be specialized in financial crimes, linguistics, etc. that work mostly in office environment.

A Special Agent for financial crimes might care more about Excel spreadsheets than 2A rights.
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Old 09-16-2018, 8:21 AM
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Yeah, so how does that distinguish him from most other people in CA?
Because he made his money carrying a gun.

He's no better than the Leftist hypocrites in Hollywood who make their money in films pretending to use weapons.
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Old 09-16-2018, 10:27 AM
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Well, I don't think the FBI should have guns either. There was no provision in the founding documents for any Federal Law enforcement. The only exception was US Marshals who answered to the Judicial branch courts. The FBI was created originally as a investigative service to assist state police and they did not have arrest powers. They did not carry guns back then, they carried pens in pocket protectors.
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Old 09-16-2018, 11:43 AM
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He's a retired cop. That pretty much says it all. For better or worse, LE enjoys rights and privileges that non-LE people don't.
He's probably been brainwashed into thinking that non-LE people don't have the training or mental capacity to carry a gun.
LE seems to have an "us vs. them" attitude when it comes to guns; the typical "I'm pro 2A but..." mentality.
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