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Old 08-16-2019, 6:03 AM
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OK, so you missed it. Your comment is irrelevant to my post.

Bottom line is, you don’t need a RealID to buy ammo in Ca. The statute, the regs and the DOJ say that.

All the rest is petty carping about how other people run their lives. Who cares?

Especially since (I’ll type slowly) he doesn’t need a RealID to buy ammo.

Best.
You missed the entire reason for his rant.
He got a non Real ID. He doesn't have a other docs needed. He planned poorly!
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Old 08-16-2019, 7:06 AM
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OK, so you missed it. Your comment is irrelevant to my post.

Bottom line is, you don’t need a RealID to buy ammo in Ca. The statute, the regs and the DOJ say that.

All the rest is petty carping about how other people run their lives. Who cares?

Especially since (I’ll type slowly) he doesn’t need a RealID to buy ammo.

Best.
Yes, but some sellers won't bother selling ammo if you don't have a real ID. Big 5 or Walmart is not obligated by law to rifle through multiple pages of documents and logging on the computer keeping other customers waiting just so someone can buy a box of cheap .22 rounds for their kid.
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Old 08-16-2019, 8:33 AM
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Yes, but some sellers won't bother selling ammo if you don't have a real ID. Big 5 or Walmart is not obligated by law to rifle through multiple pages of documents and logging on the computer keeping other customers waiting just so someone can buy a box of cheap .22 rounds for their kid.
Big 5 accepts non- Real ID.
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Old 08-16-2019, 8:34 AM
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Yes, but some sellers won't bother selling ammo if you don't have a real ID. Big 5 or Walmart is not obligated by law to rifle through multiple pages of documents and logging on the computer keeping other customers waiting just so someone can buy a box of cheap .22 rounds for their kid.
Actually, they appear to be....

11 CCR § 4045.1, specifically demands the submission of these documents from the potential purchaser.

11 CCR § 4302 and § 4303, lay out the process, stating:
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(c) The ammunition vendor shall collect the ammunition purchaser's or transferee's name, date of birth, current address, gender, hair color, eye color, height, weight, and driver's license or other government identification number in the manner described in Penal Code section 28180, and telephone number, United States citizenship status, federal Alien Registration Number or I-94 (if applicable), place of birth, alias name(s), and race, and enter this information into the DES website.
That doesn’t seem to leave a lot of discretionary space for the vendor.
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Old 08-16-2019, 10:13 AM
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I just get pissy when someone starts to tell me how I need to act as an adult. The social security card is a non issue, so people can mind their own ****ing business on that one.

Having the social, passport, etc doesn't change anything for the fact were 2 weeks out from dove season and I don't have a real ID. I'm not a gun fanatic, other hobbies take up my time. So I don't sit here and go over details of every law thats passing. Even after reading about the background checks at no point did I read anything about the real idea. So you can mozy right along now, you aren't helping.
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Nope. At this point i'm giving up on dove season. Thanks a lot california you ****ing communists.
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Why do people find the need to be insulting. Turns out I do have my SS card, since no one ever needs it, its easy to forget where its at. Of course none of that changes anything because its 4 hours away locked in my safe in my apartment.

I'll get a real ID when I can. For now I found a local shop that says they will sell to me with a passport. So i'll get my passport shipped to me when my wife goes back to the apartment this weekend and hopefully that will get me taken care of for now.

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No you're being insulting. And actually the SS isn't needed as pointed out above. So its just you telling me how you think I should be. Its none of your business where I store my documents.


Seems personal growth is a factor here. Juz sayin'.
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Old 08-16-2019, 10:15 AM
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Seems personal growth is a factor here. Juz sayin'.
seems you can mind your own business, juz sayin

Honestly, the amount of people who choose to inflict their opinion on where I store my social security card... a card that it turns out serves zero purpose for this debate, is staggering. Lot of big egos on here.

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Old 08-16-2019, 10:19 AM
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Vendors are only required to collect and enter the information if they agree to sell it to you.

Vendors can still choose not to make the sale. Even if that's not legal, there is no practical recourse.
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Old 08-16-2019, 10:31 AM
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Vendors are only required to collect and enter the information if they agree to sell it to you.

Vendors can still choose not to make the sale. Even if that's not legal, there is no practical recourse.
If it's not legal, they can have their vendor license pulled. I have no doubt DOJ would be giddy at the prospect of cutting out Big 5 or Walmart. Less ammo outlets for everybody.
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Old 08-16-2019, 10:47 AM
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seems you can mind your own business, juz sayin

Honestly, the amount of people who choose to inflict their opinion on where I store my social security card... a card that it turns out serves zero purpose for this debate, is staggering. Lot of big egos on here.
You made it everyone's business (should they so choose) junior.

You don't get to define the public's response.
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Old 08-16-2019, 10:56 AM
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You made it everyone's business (should they so choose) junior.

You don't get to define the public's response.
I stated that as a reason that I couldn't get a Real ID in time. I wasn't looking for suggestions on where I should store my documents. Anyone who feels the need to tell me how they think I need to live my life frankly has a lack of control in their own life that they feel the need to impose on others.

But hey thats really your issue.
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:14 AM
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If it's not legal, they can have their vendor license pulled. I have no doubt DOJ would be giddy at the prospect of cutting out Big 5 or Walmart. Less ammo outlets for everybody.
Just like the've managed to pull the license from FFLs that refuse to do PPTs.
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:15 AM
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I stated that as a reason that I couldn't get a Real ID in time. I wasn't looking for suggestions on where I should store my documents. Anyone who feels the need to tell me how they think I need to live my life frankly has a lack of control in their own life that they feel the need to impose on others.

But hey thats really your issue.
Whatever you say junior. You've got the world all figgered out.
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:34 AM
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I stated that as a reason that I couldn't get a Real ID in time. I wasn't looking for suggestions on where I should store my documents. Anyone who feels the need to tell me how they think I need to live my life frankly has a lack of control in their own life that they feel the need to impose on others.

But hey thats really your issue.
Dont take it personally, it is the environment here.
You need to be really thick skinned to survive here. Just ignore smart hind quarters.

Just take advice from real guys who actually wants to help and ignore "smart" comments.

I also would keep valuables at my parent's home if i could. The main reason they always at home, meaning - less chance to get stolen and it does not make you less of a man.

Good luck with your hunt.
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:47 AM
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In the end with the help of a few informed generous people on here I was able to find a local shop that will accept a passport which I'm getting mailed to me. So mission accomplished. The rest of you grumpy old men and sad boys can continue bickering if you wish.
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Old 08-16-2019, 12:43 PM
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Should have had your passport overnighted to you before all this turmoil. You choose to get non real id then bich that you were wronged. Should have had your wife buy ammo. This should have been solved quickly. You are right that ss card worthless unless you use it to get real id.
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Old 08-16-2019, 2:22 PM
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Oct 1, 2020, and a mil ID will get you on the plane. (But, of course, you can’t use the mil ID to get a RealID.)
FWIW, game warden told me last week the the new regs will not allow active military stationed in CA but without a permanent CA address, to buy ammo, no matter what other documents they may have. He also told me that it is now illegal for LEOs who leave the state to return to CA with their duty ammo, unless they can prove that they possessed it when they left CA. The law is close to unenforceable, but there will inevitably be some dick with a badge and gun who wants to hassle hunters at the border. California is incredibly screwed up.
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seems you can mind your own business, juz sayin

Honestly, the amount of people who choose to inflict their opinion on where I store my social security card... a card that it turns out serves zero purpose for this debate, is staggering. Lot of big egos on here.
Good Lord you need to grow the hell up!
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Good Lord you need to grow the hell up!
Millennial much? I guess not. For many of them there's no growing up. They still want the participation trophy.
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:02 PM
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Go to Yuma AZ to shoot Doves, buy all the LEAD ammo you want at Spragues! Done
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First You don't need a real ID to buy ammo, that part of the law got dropped off. Whoever told you that is not up to date.

Go to Walmart. If you have bought a gun in the last 5 years they do a background check on you which costs $1 and is quick and you walk out with your ammo.

If you haven't bought a gun in the last 5 years it then goes back to 16 years if you haven't moved, and your address hasn't changed. if you have moved then you will have to wait for a "complete background check" which will cost you $19 and and take up to a month to come back then you can pick up your ammo.

I was just told that they are coming back in a few days right now.

All this info was just told to me by MY LGS which actually knows what they are doing and can be taken as gospel.

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But then you can't (legally) bring your leftover ammo back to CA. Thanks, Gavin!
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this ammo law is for the birds!!!!
your comments is a strong as these people

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In the end with the help of a few informed generous people on here I was able to find a local shop that will accept a passport which I'm getting mailed to me. So mission accomplished. The rest of you grumpy old men and sad boys can continue bickering if you wish.
Inquiring minds want to know if you will buy several years worth of hunting ammunition now? Instead of just a box of two for this years Dove Hunting Season...

Did you not know about the State of California Prop 63 effective July 1st, 2019 ammunition restrictions? That was before your Non-Federal ID ammunition denial issues came up, due to you not having the correct information/ or paperwork with you??

Having lived and worked in Mammoth Lakes at the California Dept of Fish and Game 'Hot Creek Fish Hatchery' years ago, I am familiar with the Bishop/ Eastern Sierra area, and I am surprised that you had soooo much trouble in buying ammunition in that area.
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