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Old 03-27-2020, 9:12 AM
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This is the reason I never drive south of Sonoma unless I have too. So Cal is another world, and should be a different state. Every problem we have in the north is only because we are attached to the brain dead voters in LA and SF. Can't imagine why any gun owning conservative would live in that hellhole, for any reason. Your sheriff is probably a hero among your liberal bretheren.
There are several counties besides LA and San Jose south of Sonoma. The OC Sheriff Don Barnes is a contributor to CRPA magazine and about as shall-issue as he can be under CA law. In fact, most counties south of San Jose are pretty close to shall issue. Ventura, Riverside, Kern, San Bernardino, and even San Diego now that Gore is gone.

Well short of Arizona, but far from SF.

One could hope that Villanueva's chiken$#!t games during this crisis could lead to a pro-CCW challenger beating him, but LA is pretty chock full of dumb liberals.
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Old 03-27-2020, 10:08 AM
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There are several counties besides LA and San Jose south of Sonoma. The OC Sheriff Don Barnes is a contributor to CRPA magazine and about as shall-issue as he can be under CA law. In fact, most counties south of San Jose are pretty close to shall issue. Ventura, Riverside, Kern, San Bernardino, and even San Diego now that Gore is gone.

Well short of Arizona, but far from SF.

One could hope that Villanueva's chiken$#!t games during this crisis could lead to a pro-CCW challenger beating him, but LA is pretty chock full of dumb liberals.
LA is getting what it deserved when it fell in love with a Sheriff's candidate supporting the sanctuary laws. The democrats in LA fell all over them,selves to endorse this guy... and the Latino population did what they can be counted on to do... blindly vote for one anyone with a Latino last name and who is pro sanctuary movement. THEY ALL GOT WHAT THEY DESERVED IN LA
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I got 10 reams of paper and 5 toners ready for the recall signatures for this room temperature IQ statist. What's the process?
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LAWSUIT HAS BEEN FILED!!

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-s...olicycoalition


Thank you, Skyhawk. From your link:

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“Twenty-eight years ago, the LAPD had to withdraw their officers to protect their safety. We hope that the stay-home orders will mean that our public servants will not become infected in this pandemic, but the Constitution guarantees that everyone has a right to acquire arms and defend themselves should law enforcement not be able to respond before it’s too late,” remarked CGF Chairman, Gene Hoffman. “No petty autocrat can be allowed to suspend the Bill of Rights.”

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“Especially due to the restrictive nature of California’s Byzantine gun laws that require the use of licensed dealers to buy and transfer both firearms and ammunition, the defendants’ orders and actions challenged individually and collectively violate the Constitution and individuals’ fundamental rights to keep and bear arms and due process of law,” explained attorney and FPC Director of Legal Strategy, Adam Kraut. “These irrational and outrageous fiat restrictions cannot withstand constitutional scrutiny and must be enjoined from enforcement.”

“California’s State and local governments cannot simply suspend the Constitution,” FPC President Brandon Combs said. “This case is one of many actions FPC is taking around the United States to fight for liberty and freedom..."

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There are several counties besides LA and San Jose south of Sonoma. The OC Sheriff Don Barnes is a contributor to CRPA magazine and about as shall-issue as he can be under CA law. In fact, most counties south of San Jose are pretty close to shall issue. Ventura, Riverside, Kern, San Bernardino, and even San Diego now that Gore is gone.

Well short of Arizona, but far from SF.

One could hope that Villanueva's chiken$#!t games during this crisis could lead to a pro-CCW challenger beating him, but LA is pretty chock full of dumb liberals.
Good Ole "SHOOT TO KILL BILL" is still the Sheriff of SDCO.

He has softened his CCW policy under extreme pressure from SD residents.
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There are several counties besides LA and San Jose south of Sonoma. The OC Sheriff Don Barnes is a contributor to CRPA magazine and about as shall-issue as he can be under CA law. In fact, most counties south of San Jose are pretty close to shall issue. Ventura, Riverside, Kern, San Bernardino, and even San Diego now that Gore is gone.
Correction: Gore is still Sheriff of San Diego County. He just had a change of heart re. CCWs ~3 years ago and now readily issues them. That "change of heart" was brought about years of hard "grassroots" work by San Diego Co Gun Owners PAC. You can read a lot of history over at: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1400940

He's gone from ~300-400 CCWs ~3 years ago to >4,000 currently!
https://www.sdsheriff.net/licensing/ccw.html

We need more people in more counties to step forward the way SDCGO did if we expect to flip more of the remaining anti counties to "green" on the CA CCW GC map.

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Newsom was asked point-blank if gun stores were essential. He waffled and punted the issue to the individual sheriffs. That's fundamentally stupid. Now the inequity is statewide, which, for us, is fundamentally cool.

One can only speculate on his reasoning, but it seems clear that the major pressure for sales at this time is from people who don't own guns. (DUH!) Not to stereotype or profile, but that seems to be anti-gun folks (progressives).

By punting, Newsom places the blame (or credit) at the local level, and he retains his anti-gun base. But, pro-2A sheriffs now have cover to make the decision to keep shops open, widening the inequity gap.

This lawsuit either gets quashed by Newsom providing "enhanced guidance" allowing gun stores to stay open (directing statewide closure keeps the suit in place), or it runs through and the state has to explain why they punted to an inequitable solution.

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That was Tuesday - today is Saturday.

On Thursday, closed again - https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...break/2336094/

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That was Tuesday - today is Saturday.

On Thursday, closed again - https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...break/2336094/
This law suit files itself. We need a gun salesman of the year award, I think sheriff Newhouse is leading in the polls.
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Old 03-29-2020, 7:19 AM
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LA is getting what it deserved when it fell in love with a Sheriff's candidate supporting the sanctuary laws. The democrats in LA fell all over them,selves to endorse this guy... and the Latino population did what they can be counted on to do... blindly vote for one anyone with a Latino last name and who is pro sanctuary movement. THEY ALL GOT WHAT THEY DESERVED IN LA
A little bit harsh. There are plenty of freedom loving folks who, through no fault of their own must live in LA County. They vote the right way, and do the right things, but are quite simply outnumbered (by a large margin). Please, DON'T BLAME THEM in your generalizations.
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At this point I don't think it matters what California does. I just read the below article, sounds like DHS has deemed "workers supporting the operation of firearm or ammunition product manufacturers, retailers, importers, distributors, and shooting ranges" to be essential.

https://freebeacon.com/issues/feds-a...irus-outbreak/
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At this point I don't think it matters what California does. I just read the below article, sounds like DHS has deemed "workers supporting the operation of firearm or ammunition product manufacturers, retailers, importers, distributors, and shooting ranges" to be essential.

https://freebeacon.com/issues/feds-a...irus-outbreak/
But that is not binding, and seems to have no force of law or even purse. The feds have deemed weed illegal, that did not stop CA. The feds have deemed unauthorized border crossers illegal, doesn’t stop CA from harboring them and refusing to detain them for ICE even if they end up in our jails for crimes.
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All the FFLs in Santa Clarita Valley had sheriff vehicle and deputy on the 19th, hours before the joint L.A. County and City presser announcing the shutdown of all 'non-essential' businesses.
They had a sheriff vehicle and deputy - usually inside the store - every day after, thru the 29th, as our FFLs continued to operate on a limited basis, completing transfers and ammo sales to only those customers who had purchased firearms before the close of business on the 19th.
Today, as I figured / expected, I drove by Turners in Valencia and they were closed, shut up tight. No Sheriff present.
They weren't there safeguarding the stores. They were there monitoring that there weren't any sales to anyone that hadn't bought a gun before COB on the 19th. They aren't guarding the closed stores now.
I've got photos of them outside on several of the last 10 days, taken while I was out buying food and medical supplies.

Here in CA weed and booze - supressants - can still be sold. But your 2nd Amendment rights? Tough crap.
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LA Sheriff backed down again today. Gun stores can remain open
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I'm curious to see what happens in San Jose now that gun stores are deemed as essential...
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And icing on the Sheriff Villain's cake is that the LACO BOS kicked his Azz out as Head of EOC.


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Once LAC Sheriff finishes crying in his safe space, he can focus 100% of his time in his elected job..keeping streets safe and removing criminals and vagrants in LA county.

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N.B. Unlike the federal advisory memo, AV does not say shooting ranges are essential.

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Nothing since new County Health Order issued today extending the shelter in place until May 3 does not add gun stores as essential business.
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LA County Supervisors remove Sherriff from Head of Emergency Services:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/los-angel...ncy-operations

Looks like a "slap-down" has occurred...
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N.B. Unlike the federal advisory memo, AV does not say shooting ranges are essential.
Doesn't matter what the dickwad says going forward. He was claiming authority under "Health Code Emergency" as basis of his power grab.

He no longer has that ability to claim. LACo BOS, kicked him in the nutz and removed him as head of EOC.
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LA Sheriff backed down again today. Gun stores can remain open
He also got fired from his 'Emergency Management' job today, too, Board of Supes vote.
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Once LAC Sheriff finishes crying in his safe space, he can focus 100% of his time in his elected job..keeping streets safe and removing criminals and vagrants in LA county.

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Nope, they're letting 'non violent offenders' out and making sure they don't tell ICE about the illegals in the bunch.
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Do we know if gun ranges will open as well now that the order has been lifted?
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This was the 2nd worse vote in my life! The 1st was for Micheal Boudy Libertarian that elected Feinstien.

Sorry friends !
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