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LEO Exemptions for SBR/Suppressor use
Gents,
Any legal experts on here know the specifics of law enforcement exemptions for federally classified SBR's and suppressors? According to PC 33220 (b): "The possession of short-barreled rifles and short-barreled shotguns by peace officer members of a police department, sheriff’s office, marshal’s office, the California Highway Patrol, the Department of Justice, or the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, when on duty and the use is authorized by the agency and is within the course and scope of their duties, and the officers have completed a training course in the use of these weapons certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training." Does "authorized by agency" simply mean a letter from the Chief/Sheriff authorizing Rifle X w/ serial # X as an approved duty patrol rifle? There is a similar PC regarding suppressors as well. Anyone in the know? |
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As long as you have the firearm training for a SBS and are authorized to use it youll be fine. But transferring a new SBS is not going to happen in a CA FFL. Building one from a regular registered shotgun is not going to authorized either. There is a narrow exception for c&r receivers and one other.
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I'm referring to a duty use parol rifle, so it would seem that PC exemption above would apply, yes?
There is also no specific POST training on short-barreled rifles and or suppressors, so the regular 24-Hour POST patrol rifle class is the only "training" that would apply. |
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You can't legally own a SBR or suppressor as a LEO. There is no personal exemption for LEO's in the PC.
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Why do you need or want a SBR for duty use?
Personally, I don’t see a huge need for a SBR. Shortest I would go is a 14.5” barrel with a pinned and welded brake. My rifle is 16” not including my brake. |
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You can own a SBR and or an SBS as a peace officer, however the difficulties of possessing one require overlapping exemptions and special FFLs or grandfathering. The exception is 30630 CA PC.
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I'm not too sure that section would allow possession of an NFA controlled SBR or SBS. Someone would still have to jump through all the hoops required for it federally, and the state's own special hoop. I think we all know how getting the dangerous weapons permit from the state will go, since the law is pretty clear on who and what uses they will issue a permit for.
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I doubt a dept will allow their officers to purchase either. This is a blanket get out of jail free for possession and use of NFA items in the course of normal duties. These would be owned by the dept and issued on as needed basis with strict controls.
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Sounds like it would be a legal nightmare and not worth the effort.
I wonder if it would change anything if said SBR was already owned (Form 1'd in another state). You would still have to bring the thing legally into CA, though. |
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I’m not motors so I can’t speak on that personally. A lot of the motors guys I know run or have run 16” barrels, and that’s the extent of my knowledge.
I can see the benefits for someone on SWAT, but in a patrol setting, I just don’t see it. My rifle comes out on surround and call outs and on very limited building/house clearings where I have a decent idea of the interior and know I’ll need to be able to reach out and touch someone a little further out. Even then, the vast majority of what we do on patrol is with our handguns. |
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My rifle is mine. When I retire, I’m supposed to give the firearm back. Just the firearm. |
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For official duties it's a whole other ballgame. For recreational or personal use outside of duty it's a no go. |
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A couple years back we had the thread on the Sunnyvale DPS motors officer who got her pic in the paper. Again, a dept issued (owned) SBR. When I worked the superbowl a couple years back all the uniformed feds I was near were rocking issued SBRs. Their kit was quite impressive. Quote:
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If you give your armory keys to cadets in exchange for favors, you'll get your house raided under warrant and assault weapon charges filed. Moral is not to be "that" guy. Can you have an SBR / SBS legally yes... but like anything else in LEO just because you can do something doesnt mean you're the guy who should be doing it. Sent from my SM-G970U1 using Tapatalk
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There should only be one class of gun owners in all 50 states.
Any state law infringing on one should be equally applied to all.
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Many of us believe the same. Not the forum for you to air your passive-aggressive frustration though.
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While I agree, I can't do anything about the laws here. I am not asking about bending the laws for my personal gain so I can have my cool stuff here in CA with me. I'm specifically asking about a duty rifle that would (be personally owned) in a patrol car or locked up at the station for official duty use only.
Though it sounds like the only way is to have the department buy the lower for me, or use a pistol. My currently owned SBR/Can (at my other home in a free state) will be a no go as a duty rifle. Thanks to all those that answered |
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