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Old 01-07-2018, 9:19 AM
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Can't work if the OP is a California resident. Would be an illegal federal transfer.

Otherwise, there would be no reason for anyone doing an inter-state intrafamilial transfer to use an FFL.
Thanks. I knew there would be some hitch.
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Federal law requires that a transfer of a firearm between residents of two different states go through a FFL in the state of the transferee. It is not a CA issue, but a Federal issue. It has nothing to do with where the firearm is transferred, just that the parties are residents of different states.
Thanks. Wasn't thinking about the different state issue. The memory is the second thing that goes. Cant remember the first.
Fed doesn't have any language regarding intimate family members like Father and Son?
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Cant remember the first.
Fed doesn't have any language regarding intimate family members like Father and Son?
No family exemptions under Federal law.
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No family exemptions under Federal law.
One exemption does exist but itís only in regards to a transfer after a death and the person was specifically named as the heir of the firearms.

However, this really isnít on topic for the OP
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But that is not limited to family, so it is not a family exemption.
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yea the problem I'm having is finding an FFL close enough to me that understands and can do it because everyone I've talked to so far just tells me to fill out the BOF 4544A and submit the fee. Even an old sheriff in Hanford told me "just submit the form and the worse thing they can do is send you a denial letter otherwise you're good to go". I know it has to go through an FFL since its father to son in two different states Im just having no luck with anyone near me who can do it lol. Thank you all for your insight as well.
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yea the problem I'm having is finding an FFL close enough to me that understands and can do it because everyone I've talked to so far just tells me to fill out the BOF 4544A and submit the fee. Even an old sheriff in Hanford told me "just submit the form and the worse thing they can do is send you a denial letter otherwise you're good to go". I know it has to go through an FFL since its father to son in two different states Im just having no luck with anyone near me who can do it lol. Thank you all for your insight as well.
It might help if you mentioned where you are located.

The sheriff is wrong since the Feds could arrest you, which is worse than a denial.
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My son is trying to gift me his off-roster Glock minus the three standard magazines from the great state of Texas via interstate intrafamiliar transfer. I have found a local FFL here in California who will receive the Glock from either him or a Texas FFL. We cannot find a Texas FFL who is willing to do this legal transfer. They do not want to "jump through all the hoops". Cabelas said they could legally do it but it is store policy to not do it. A couple other businesses there said no as well due to the "hoops". He will now have to spend the $91 to ship priority overnight via FedEx.

My post-mild rant comment is...do out of state FFL's have an aversion to dealing with California because of the anti-gun political climate? Or did we just run into a string of bad luck with Waco area FFL's?
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BubbaCluck,

Ask the CA FFL you are using if they will accept the gun if sent directly to it by your Son in TX. Some will and some won't. It is a matter of the FFL's policy and not of law. If they will, your son can save money by sending it with these guys. https://www.shipmygun.com/go/
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My FFL said he would accept direct shipment but my son's only option to send it himself is via FedEx or UPS and for $91. USPS will not ship for him. I understand that only an FFL can ship via Post Office which would be cheaper. I will look into shipmygun.com. Thanks for the suggestion.
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You might remind them by refusing to ship the firearm that they are doing exactly what the anti-gun people want. If they need help, that can be done. It is easy and fast, although it is annoying.

Just remember every firearm they ship to CA annoys an anti-gun liberal.
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My FFL said he would accept direct shipment but my son's only option to send it himself is via FedEx or UPS and for $91. USPS will not ship for him. I understand that only an FFL can ship via Post Office which would be cheaper. I will look into shipmygun.com. Thanks for the suggestion.

Wheres this FFL at? lol i keep searching for one and they're all still telling me to just fill out the form since it doesn't state where my dad lives it'll be fine. I want to do it the right way but am still unsuccessful in finding a competent FFL
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Wheres this FFL at? lol i keep searching for one and they're all still telling me to just fill out the form since it doesn't state where my dad lives it'll be fine. I want to do it the right way but am still unsuccessful in finding a competent FFL
The easier question is where are you at, then it would be possible to direct you to a FFL which knows the laws and how to do it.
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The easier question is where are you at, then it would be possible to direct you to a FFL which knows the laws and how to do it.
Im in the Central Valley (Visalia to be exact). Ill travel if i can just get this done because Im having a hard time with it and want to get it over with legally.
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Check with 10 percent firearms. We do it, but 10 percent I'm going to guess is closer to you.
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Apparently FedEx has the ability and the discretion to ship a legal handgun to an FFL via 2-day express and not solely overnight priority. This was a surprise to me! They knew it was a handgun. This would be a FedEx internal issue and not a violation of any Federal laws, I hope?
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Apparently FedEx has the ability and the discretion to ship a legal handgun to an FFL via 2-day express and not solely overnight priority. This was a surprise to me! They knew it was a handgun.

This would be a FedEx internal issue and not a violation of any Federal laws, I hope?
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UPS changed their policy regarding shipping of firearms just before they went public, which helped their income. They said that it was not due to a theft problems, but required handguns to be shipped overnight. FedEx followed suit since they also like money and did not have the sense to realize that they could have cornered the handgun shipping market if they had not changed. Since it is policy, they can allow contracts to change the policy.

As said, it is not law and it is much cheaper for FFLs to ship USPS.
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I am glad this thread is still open, just got back from a local gun shop and was talking about this very subject off roster hand gun gift from daughter to me. I am pretty sure I know the law but what he did was hand me A form 4544A Report of Operation of Law or or Intra-Familial Firearm Transaction and said make sure you have a ten round mag fill out the paper work with $19 and when it comes back she could send the gun to me no way this is right.
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I am glad this thread is still open, just got back from a local gun shop and was talking about this very subject off roster hand gun gift from daughter to me. I am pretty sure I know the law but what he did was hand me A form 4544A Report of Operation of Law or or Intra-Familial Firearm Transaction and said make sure you have a ten round mag fill out the paper work with $19 and when it comes back she could send the gun to me no way this is right.
It all depends if she is a CA resident or not.
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No she is from Oregon and that is what I told the guy behind the counter. I was just reading all the posts and I think post #32 answered it, no it does not work that way.
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Federal law requires the transfer of residents between two different states go through a FFL in the state of the recipient.
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No she is from Oregon and that is what I told the guy behind the counter. I was just reading all the posts and I think post #32 answered it, no it does not work that way.
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Federal law requires the transfer of residents between two different states go through a FFL in the state of the recipient.
Kemasa is correct and since itís from your daughter you can DROS in CA that off roster handgun.

Filling out the form and paying $19 is no bueno for an out of state transfer in any case except for willed firearms in the event of a death.
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That is want I thought that young salesman is giving wrong information, I told him look it up on CALGUNS.NET he did not know what I was talking about this is the best site on the web for Ca, related firearms and probably any other thanks guys.
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Thanks to everybody that's contributed, this thread is really helpful. Anybody know of other locations in the Central Valley (Bakersfield/Tulare/Visalia/Fresno/Madera/Merced/Stockton) that have experience doing these? I checked Ten Percent Firearms website (per ugimports suggestion) and based on their brief description of services it seems they can do them. Would be helpful to have a list of known FFL's that are okay with doing this.
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Does any one know a FFL in Northern CA that knows that does this?
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Be more specific. We're in Northern California but I don't think Fremont is what you are referring to.
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What if I’m visiting my son who is out of state? Can I driving the gifted off roster gun with the needed notarized paper work to an FFL?
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What needed notarized paperwork are you referring to?
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Transfers between residents of different states are required to go through a FFL in the state of residence of the recipient due to Federal law.

Assuming that the FFL agrees, you (the out of state person) can bring the firearm to a CA FFL to do the transfer.
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My father lives on Nevada and he has a handgun that he wants to give me as a present for my birthday Iím a California resident can you guys do the transfer?

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Anyone have any FFL recommendations closer to LA that knows how to handle this type of transfer?

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Searched and cant find the answer,

Son is Ca resident and adopted at birth
Adopted Mother is now deceased
Birth Mother lives in Texas and wants to gift off roster hand gun to son in Ca.

Im guessing not legal?
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Searched and cant find the answer,

Son is Ca resident and adopted at birth
Adopted Mother is now deceased
Birth Mother lives in Texas and wants to gift off roster hand gun to son in Ca.

Im guessing not legal?
You might need to check with the CA DOJ or a firearms attorney, but it seems like it would be legal since she is the mother. Is she a parent? That could be a definition issue depending on her role as a parent. One issue would be proving that she is the mother.
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