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Recent report by the NSSF (National Shooting Sports Foundation) estimates there are 434 million firearms in civilian possession as of 2019. This includes approx. 20 million "modern sporting rifles". Perhaps there is hope for our Republic afterall.
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Frankly, that number strikes me as low.
Or is that "just the ones we know about", i.e. registered firearms?
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Yeah, don't get too excited, those 450+ million guns are owned by the same 32% of the population. 450 million guns is NOT the same as 450 million PEOPLE owning guns.
"We" are still a MINORITY of the population. https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/...-own-guns.aspx |
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Strange, as the estimate was around 400M back in 2009 or 2010 (that's accounting for estimated attrition and not counting some categories, such as home-made guns), and since then at least 100M new firearms were added:
https://www.atf.gov/file/149886/download
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https://wamu.org/story/20/09/18/how-...-u-s-own-guns/ https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/...-own-guns.aspx https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ing-a-firearm/ https://www.rand.org/pubs/tools/TL354.html Such high spread results from using different methods and the fact that due to various factors (including their vilifying and persecution) gun owners are often not open about their gun ownership. The second factor also hints at the possibility that the actual numbers are higher. Also keep in mind that this is the percentage of households with guns in them, not the percentage of gun owners.
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Think of all the firearms produced before there was registration. How many millions of Model 94 were produced before 1963 and are still there out there?
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I would have guessed 1/2 Billion.
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And those were tragically lost
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We're gonna need a bigger boat.
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Add at least 40 million to that number, based on 2020 NICS inquiries.
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7 million new gun owners this year alone.
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Boats should be banned, they are dangerous and have caused billions of dollars of property loss and mental frustration.
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Lottsa lefties bragging about arming up.
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Polling also showed that women were the largest group of first time gun buyers, followed by legal immigrants.
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This(!), is what we need. This is what the firearms community needs to do, bring in lots of new members. This is how we change the dialogue. Not(!) by staging armed protests with old, fat white guys in their faux military garb open carrying and scaring the hell out of passersby.
This is precisely why I volunteer as an RO at my local range. I really enjoy teaching new shooters. Which we've been overrun with this last couple of years. Changing minds one person, or one family at a time. I always go way out of my way to make sure people's first experience, or particularly people bringing their kids, is enjoyable and fun, not intimidating or scary. This 'new shooters' figure is the number(s) I'd been curious about and had been wanting to find. That has certainly been my experience phenomenologically on our Public Line. May I ask where this data point came from please?
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Hard data such as purchases and alike is much more reliable.
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that is 434 million guns produced in the US in the last 25 years alone, its a good solid number for sure
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Two problems here: (1) The "it's owned by people with many guns" is part of the anti-gun narrative and hasn't been proven, and (2) 32-42% of the population doesn't say anything about voting - gun owners tend to be conservative and to vote more often.
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It's like polls in the middle east showing that there is no homosexuality there, at all* (*Using the same methodology of a random person calling and asking "are you a homosexual"...)
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We already have a large contingent of such gun owners on this site, who vote for gun control, then try to avoid responsibility for the gun control they helped enact. I don't find them to be any asset or value in our community when we have to go to court to fight the consequences of their actions. In fact, they would be of more value to us if they just stopped owning guns altogether so we don't have to deal with them in our midst. Who did you vote for this time around? Racist much? I assume you'd consider it racist to be scared of young, skinny, black guys with guns, right? What' the difference?
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Lunatic much?
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It's like bringing a bill to the vote on the house floor - you know the answer, but you want to document each vote so everyone else knows where each one of us stands
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The background checks are not only for firearms, so each one does not necessarily equal a firearm purchase. And when a firearms purchase, it may be for multiple firearms.
Regarding shotguns; yes, most are made overseas and especially in Turkey. |
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He always disappears when confronted with some unpleasant facts.
Just remember, he would cancel us in an eye blink if he had a chance or if he controlled the forum. Just look at how "The liberal gun club" censors anyone who disagrees with their dogmas, where they see a discourse and disagreement as the other person being evil. Toe the line over there, or you're muzzled. At least he gets to be here and post his far left ideology (and voting pattern, which is what hurts us) without being banned for hurting our cause. Seems like even pointing out his hypocrisy is too much for him to remain in the conversation. Oh, well, that's what we are against when dealing with the left - they want to annihilate us, yet expect us to treat them with kids gloves and be nice...
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