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Old 01-13-2021, 12:12 PM
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Default AB-216 (2021) Peace officers: firearms: establishment serving the public.

Allows peace officers to open (or concealed) carry in establishments which ban carry.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...202120220AB216

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Applies to conceal carry also as far as I can tell, and in both cases whether the officer is on duty or not.
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should be amended to include CCW holders
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should be amended to include CCW holders
Keep dreaming.

The state wouldn’t want that.

They got rid of school carry. A solution to a non-problem.
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Applies to conceal carry also as far as I can tell, and in both cases whether the officer is on duty or not.
Most likely so that off duty cops can be used as security.
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The gap widens.....
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Yep.

So places like Disneyland and Dodger stadium to allow off-duty to carry?
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Yep.

So places like Disneyland and Dodger stadium to allow off-duty to carry?
Yup.

(c) For purposes of this section, the following terms have the following meanings:
(1) “Peace officer” means any peace officer made exempt from the prohibition on carrying a concealed firearm by Section 25450.
(2) “Establishment serving the public” means any of the following:
(A) A hotel, motel, or other place of lodging.
(B) A restaurant or other place where food is offered for sale to the public.
(C) A retail business or other commercial establishment or event, including, but not limited to, an exhibition, show, fair, festival, display, or other similar event that is accessible by members of the public.
(D) An office building to which the general public is invited.
(E) A sports venue. For purposes of this section, a “sports venue” means an arena, coliseum, stadium, or other type of facility that is primarily used or is planned for primary use for one or more professional or amateur sports or athletic events and for which a fee is charged or is planned to be charged for admission to the sports or athletic event, other than occasional civic, charitable, or promotional events.
(F) Any other place of public accommodation, amusement, convenience, or resort to which the general public or any classification of persons from the general public is regularly, normally, or customarily invited.
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So it allows people to trespass against the will, wishes, and terms of the property owners? Interesting.
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If it’s my property surely I get to set the rules?

If some off duty cop is carrying in my store and I ask him to leave - what then?
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If it’s my property surely I get to set the rules?

If some off duty cop is carrying in my store and I ask him to leave - what then?
He laughs in your face and shows you the latest off roster gun you can't buy except from him for 5x markup
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If it’s my property surely I get to set the rules?

If some off duty cop is carrying in my store and I ask him to leave - what then?
How would you know he was a off duty Officer?

There is no law which requires any Officer who is off duty to say they are in fact an Officer if asked...

If you have a store, you just lost a customer, and probably all of his friends and family as well as coworkers as customers..

Not a smart business decision.
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Allows peace officers to open (or concealed) carry in establishments which ban carry.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...202120220AB216
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He laughs in your face and shows you the latest off roster gun you can't buy except from him for 5x markup
NOPE! State made it a misdemeanor for LEO to sell on off roster pistol acquired through the exemption to a non-exempt person.
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How would you know he was a off duty Officer?

There is no law which requires any Officer who is off duty to say they are in fact an Officer if asked...

If you have a store, you just lost a customer, and probably all of his friends and family as well as coworkers as customers..

Not a smart business decision.
My castle. My rules.

My question was hypothetical.

But since we are in hypothetical land, in my hypothetical store ... failing to identify himself would lead me to believe he was just some private citizen breaking my rules and refusing to leave when asked and would then lead me to call the cops.
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If it’s my property surely I get to set the rules?

If some off duty cop is carrying in my store and I ask him to leave - what then?
Concealed still remains concealed.


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My castle. My rules.

My question was hypothetical.

But since we are in hypothetical land, in my hypothetical store ... failing to identify himself would lead me to believe he was just some private citizen breaking my rules and refusing to leave when asked and would then lead me to call the cops.
Screw your rules. Are you going to pat-down everyone that walks into your store?
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The bill would make a first offense punishable as an infraction by a fine not exceeding $500, and as a misdemeanor for a 2nd or subsequent violation, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding 6 months, by a fine not exceeding $1,000, or by both that fine and imprisonment.

So don't ask him to leave.
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My castle. My rules.

My question was hypothetical.

But since we are in hypothetical land, in my hypothetical store ... failing to identify himself would lead me to believe he was just some private citizen breaking my rules and refusing to leave when asked and would then lead me to call the cops.
Its not your castle. Its called public access.
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Hopefully we get some good rulings from court soon on this issue
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NOPE! State made it a misdemeanor for LEO to sell on off roster pistol acquired through the exemption to a non-exempt person.
Nope!

You may want to brush up on that little piece of code.
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You may want to brush up on that little piece of code.
He's usually wrong.

830.1 PC Officers can sell non roster pistols.

Some non 830.1 PC Officers are prohibited from selling off roster pistols.
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My castle. My rules.

My question was hypothetical.

But since we are in hypothetical land, in my hypothetical store ... failing to identify himself would lead me to believe he was just some private citizen breaking my rules and refusing to leave when asked and would then lead me to call the cops.
What rules is he breaking? Do you have your establishment posted? If so does your establishment ALL persons from carrying in your store?

Why?

Besides how would you know someone was carrying concealed?

Once again not a good business decision.
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I could see it being an issue at a place like disneyland where they have metal detectors.
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He's usually wrong.

830.1 PC Officers can sell non roster pistols.

Some non 830.1 PC Officers are prohibited from selling off roster pistols.
I know he’s wrong; you know he’s wrong. The intent is to give him a chance to find out WHY he’s wrong.

And the answer isn’t in PC 830.1.

It’s PC 32000(c)(2)(A) and (B).
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I could see it being an issue at a place like disneyland where they have metal detectors.
Off-duty LEO sees the metal detector, walks up to the side, badges the attendents, and walks around.

No issue.
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What they seem to be targeting () here, are the “defund the police” a-holes who want to tell uniformed LEOs they can’t eat in their coffee shop/ diner/ Starbucks, example from AZ., public area, etc.

I don’t really have a problem with that.

But, yeah, giving the same consideration to CCW holders would be nice.....
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What they seem to be targeting () here, are the “defund the police” a-holes who want to tell uniformed LEOs they can’t eat in their coffee shop/ diner/ Starbucks, example from AZ., public area, etc.

I don’t really have a problem with that.

But, yeah, giving the same consideration to CCW holders would be nice.....
i doubt it relates to that, as that is clearly illegal and stores would suffer from charges and court fees and that nonsense would stop right quick.

fitting that it's a starbucks though. the stereotypes write themselves.
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i doubt it relates to that, as that is clearly illegal and stores would suffer from charges and court fees and that nonsense would stop right quick.

fitting that it's a starbucks though. the stereotypes write themselves.
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366. (a) It is unlawful for an establishment serving the public to prohibit or otherwise restrict a peace officer from carrying a weapon on the establishment’s premises that the peace officer is otherwise authorized to carry, regardless of whether the peace officer is engaged in the actual discharge of the officer’s duties while carrying the weapon.
(b) A violation of subdivision (a) is an infraction for a first offense, punishable by a fine not to exceed five hundred dollars ($500). A second or subsequent violation of subdivision (a) is a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding six months, by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment.
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What a fantastic piece of legislation....... if it gets CCW holders added in there (since we all know CA isn't about to go for permitless carry anytime soon..).
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What a fantastic piece of legislation....... if it gets CCW holders added in there (since we all know CA isn't about to go for permitless carry anytime soon..).
That won’t happen. It would infer an equivalent level of training and expertise between law enforcement and citizens. The LEO’s won’t let that happen. The next step would be off-Roster guns and schoolyards.
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So is this supposed to be a LEOSA expansion?
Or is it supposed to mean that you can’t order cops off of your property?
Either way this is weird in intent.
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How would you know he was a off duty Officer?

There is no law which requires any Officer who is off duty to say they are in fact an Officer if asked...

If you have a store, you just lost a customer, and probably all of his friends and family as well as coworkers as customers..

Not a smart business decision.
A combination of facial recognition cameras and metal detectors would solve this problem.

As far as stores losing customers, sure that may be the case. Maybe it isn't a smart business decisions, but that hasn't stopped stores from implementing policies like this across the country against ordinary CCW holders.
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CCW holders do not donate to that politician’s campaign the way police unions do, so don’t hold your breath.
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CCW holders do not donate to that politician’s campaign the way police unions do, so don’t hold your breath.
This is what ballot initiatives are for.
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Couldn't a law converting a soft target to a hard target interfere with CIA asset/ lab rat agenda of having mass casualties ?

IIRC that was a major reason democrats fought against allowing teachers to be armed.
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