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Old 03-23-2021, 1:06 PM
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So Iím in the market for a new rifle. Itís going to be a target rifle(donít do any hunting) and my goal is to get out to 1,000 yards. My budget is right around $1,000 for the rifle. Iím thinking I want 6.5 creedmoor to be the chambering, the cost isnít to high and it seems to be very capable of reaching that distance. Itís going to be a range rifle so it doesnít need to be light. I would rather it have a heavier barrel so I wonít have to spend as much time waiting for it to cool down.

What do you guys think would be a good fit for my needs ?????

I have a few front runners Iím looking

Bergara B14 HMR

Ruger precision Rifle

Savage stealth 110

Tika (donít know the models but it seems like lots of people are using these for platforms)


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Doubt you can get an RPR for a grand these days. Tikka's are hard to find with heavy barrels, and changing it for a heavy barrel is expensive.

The fairly new Savage Axis Precision rifle starts with a budget action, but the other stuff on it looks pretty good. A chassis is good for the adjustability on it. The barrel is probably fairly heavy because the gun weighs nearly 10 pounds. MSRP is under $1000.

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One rifle not on the list that should be,my recomendation is for a R700, new or used.
You have to go with a rifle that is easy to get parts and accessories for.
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I would get either a Tikka T3x or a 700 5R. Anything else might work but be a compromise with your budget.

But the other options imo would be a Ruger Predator or a Howa or a Savage. With the extra budget you coyld upgrade stocks and maybe triggers. You got the right idea with the heavy barrel and 6.5 Cteedmoor.
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Going through this currently. Me personally, 1. Bergara B14 HMR in 300 WM/6.5 CM, 2. Ruger Hawkeye LRT in 6.5 CM. 3. SS Tikka T3x CTR 6.5. My preference for Bergara is the manufacturing process of the barrel. The Ruger Hawkeye because of the length (it offers about a 100 fps increase over the Tikka) plus i like the controlled feed/extraction on the Ruger. Another contender was/is the Ruger American Predator Go Wild in either 300 WM or 6.5 CM.
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A thousand dollars! For long range rifle shooting?

Buy a typical Mosin Nagant, spend the rest of money on authentic span can ammo and associated range fees.

With that experience you will be a more informed shooter.
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A thousand dollars! For long range rifle shooting?

Buy a typical Mosin Nagant, spend the rest of money on authentic span can ammo and associated range fees.

With that experience you will be a more informed shooter.

So my first set up was a savage axis heavy barrel with a primary arms scope in .223. Not a great rifle but it taught me to use the scope and I could shoot it 500 yards depending on the day and the range I was at. I only had like $800 in my whole system and I learned a lot shooting it.

I think there are rifles in the $1000 range that can reach out to 1000 yards


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HMR out of the ones you mentioned. Good for target shooting. I also have a Howa 1500 that I can't get to shoot as good as my HMR as of yet.

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So Iím in the market for a new rifle. Itís going to be a target rifle(donít do any hunting) and my goal is to get out to 1,000 yards. My budget is right around $1,000 for the rifle. Iím thinking I want 6.5 creedmoor to be the chambering, the cost isnít to high and it seems to be very capable of reaching that distance. Itís going to be a range rifle so it doesnít need to be light. I would rather it have a heavier barrel so I wonít have to spend as much time waiting for it to cool down.
Just about anything from 243 and up will reach 1,000 yards. the 6.5 Creed is the current darling of the casual target shooters and will do the job well.

The heavier barrel will take longer to heat up and longer to cool down not shorter.

Longer, heavier barrels are a distinct advantage at distance.
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I’d save up

To buy twice costs a lot more


The bergara with their competition trigger and rail chassis is a heck of a platform for under 2k

Nothing about long range is cheap.
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The 6.5 CM is the perfect paper killer theses days.
Buying a new gun is always fun.
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https://www.bergara.online/en/rifles/premier/lrp-rifle/

Ammo is $2.50 a round

Buying a chassis can be $500-$1500

This has a nice set up
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You have 1000 for a rifle do you have at least that for glass?
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I would save a little more and purchase a Christensen Mesa Long Range.
This embed video is a 300 WM, but this platform is a nice package and will put holes in paper.
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You have 1000 for a rifle do you have at least that for glass?

Iím just gonna slap some iron sights on and call it good


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Rookie all you need is a front bead.

Scopes are another conversation entirely. But Iím guessing my budget will be about the same.


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Iron sights. Good Enough for Sergeant York.

NRA High Power clinics and matches. And practice sessions with competitors
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So Iím in the market for a new rifle. Itís going to be a target rifle(donít do any hunting) and my goal is to get out to 1,000 yards. My budget is right around $1,000 for the rifle. Iím thinking I want 6.5 creedmoor to be the chambering, the cost isnít to high and it seems to be very capable of reaching that distance. Itís going to be a range rifle so it doesnít need to be light. I would rather it have a heavier barrel so I wonít have to spend as much time waiting for it to cool down.

What do you guys think would be a good fit for my needs ?????

I have a few front runners Iím looking

Bergara B14 HMR

Ruger precision Rifle

Savage stealth 110

Tika (donít know the models but it seems like lots of people are using these for platforms)
Of the choices you listed, go with the Bergara because it's a Remington 700 footprint action.
That means you can get 700 stocks and triggers when you are ready to upgrade from the plastic stock.
None of those other choices have even 10% of the aftermarket that a Short Action 700 receiver does.
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My irons for long-range (Palma) cost as much as a scope...
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Not hard and fast but a good tule of thumb is to figure $1/yard for glass. Might be more now with inflation.
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Don't buy a used rifle. Some rifles just seem to be less accurate. The saying goes to cars as well, don't buy one on a Monday or Friday. The rifles that have accuracy issues get sold and keep going around Gunbroker.

If you want to save, buy a used scope with a great warranty like Nightforce or Vortex. Get the Razor, not PST. Burris and Bushnells are great too. Buy used with confidence.

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Everybody left out dies and components.
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Not hard and fast but a good tule of thumb is to figure $1/yard for glass. Might be more now with inflation.
Not if he's just shooting on a square range. A fixed SWFA should be more than adequate.

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Not if he shoots something like 6.5 Creedmoor. Factory ammo is very good and if he doesn't already have reloading gear he's not going to shoot enough to make it worth buying.
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I havenít looked into reloading yet. They may be something I get into later down the road. Seems like itís and art with its own learning curve.


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I shot guns with the SWFA before. Good turrets. Glass seems clear enough. Iíve looking at the US optics fixed 10 power but it just doesnít seem like you get enough for the $1,500 price tag. I like the Vortex Viper PST. Also looking into the Primary Arms 6-24 platinum series. $1,500 is really the top of my price range. Iíd really like to be closer to $1,000 so the viper PST is what Iím leaning towards


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If your goals are to bang steel at 1k every so often then reloading isnít really necessary. Factory is good enough for that. If youíre looking for an accurate rifle most factory rifles will meet that criteria. If youíre looking for a precision rifle thatís a whole different can of worms and itís an expensive journey to go down that road. Iím not sure where youíre located, but thereís a PR match this Sunday at Pala shooting range. Come down and check out our rifles if you can make it. Youíll see everything from rifles that are a few thousand to 10 thousand easy.
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If your goals are to bang steel at 1k every so often then reloading isnít really necessary. Factory is good enough for that. If youíre looking for an accurate rifle most factory rifles will meet that criteria. If youíre looking for a precision rifle thatís a whole different can of worms and itís an expensive journey to go down that road. Iím not sure where youíre located, but thereís a PR match this Sunday at Pala shooting range. Come down and check out our rifles if you can make it. Youíll see everything from rifles that are a few thousand to 10 thousand easy.

I work Sunday but I e been to Pala many times. Do you know if Harald is still around? Itís been a few years since Iíve been there


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I donít think he is anymore. The matches are every 4th Sunday, so if you have time one of these days, come out.
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Not if he shoots something like 6.5 Creedmoor. Factory ammo is very good and if he doesn't already have reloading gear he's not going to shoot enough to make it worth buying.

Ive had a super sniper for 15 years and they are $400 shipped with rings and itís great out to 400, but not much past 600. OP wrote that heís looking for 1,000
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Just a 10x? Mine is a 16x, but I haven't used it yet. I've shot at 400 at 5x and it seemed adequate.
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So I decided to hold off on the build. I picked up a rifle scope combo for pretty cheap and it will do for now. When I do decided to make this build Iím going to budget around $3500.


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I absolutely love Tikka rifles. They use Sako barrels and the actions are super smooth. You can get a Tikka T3x CTR for around 1k. I literally just bought a Tikka T3x Tac a1 in 6.5 creedmoor and used to have a T3 Tactical in 308.
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I am on the same boat as getting a short-action Remington footprint rifle. So, OP, among your choices, Bergara. I can't speak for the Tikka and the Savage as I don't have experience in those. Your choice may depend if you want to eventually compete or shoot regularly, or if it is a gun you'd just occasionally shoot at 1k.

I shoot 1k occasionally. I just got back to it last weekend after 2 years! I used to do it around twice and sometimes more a year.

I have the popular 29663 (Remington 5R 308) that can do the 1k job with surplus M118LR ammo. Replaced stock with KRG Bravo; net cost $1000 without optic. Put an SWFA 12x fixed scope on it and 20MOA one-piece scope mount.

I have a Ruger Precision Rifle in 6 creedmoor that I got on sale for $750 a couple of years ago from Sportsman's. I have a discontinued 6-24x Nikon Black FX1000 on it. I reload ammo for this.

The Remington action is way smoother to run; the bolt slides like it's not there. However, the 6 creedmoor shoots flatter and has less recoil although that could be the brake on the RPR.

Google Ruger American Predator budget build and you'll see lots of it. Under 1k for the whole package, will work for the occasional 1k shooter; but if you plan to compete, then maybe not.

For scope, if I am building a budget rig for 1k, I'd have the Vortex Diamondback Tactical 6-24x on the top of my list. FFP with same reticle as the PST for $400, that's a heck of a deal!

EDIT: Oops did not see the part where OP decided to hold off.

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I went out today and boy did I suck. The rifle was supposed to be zeroed already but the first shot I took was like a 3 feet over the target. I bought a $30 Plastic rest, didnít like it at all. Jumped all over and didnít stay where I wanted. The scope (element optics $400 SFP) did fine. Went through way more ammo then I wanted to and still could t get a good group.

The biggest factor was me. I havenít shot a bolt rifle in maybe ten years and it was my .223. These has more recoil and I just wasnít use to the feel of it. I know this rifle is capable of some nice groups but I just couldnít get it to hold.



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I went out today and boy did I suck. The rifle was supposed to be zeroed already but the first shot I took was like a 3 feet over the target. I bought a $30 Plastic rest, didnít like it at all. Jumped all over and didnít stay where I wanted. The scope (element optics $400 SFP) did fine. Went through way more ammo then I wanted to and still could t get a good group.

The biggest factor was me. I havenít shot a bolt rifle in maybe ten years and it was my .223. These has more recoil and I just wasnít use to the feel of it. I know this rifle is capable of some nice groups but I just couldnít get it to hold.



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Those preinstalled factory scopes are only bore sighted by technians on tight schedule. Best you can do is get it on paper..
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I purchased from someone. Not a factory scope


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