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Old 05-21-2020, 7:35 AM
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Hi guys, I am trying to be a new gun owner, however I am running into delays. I am currently on day 63, and still on undetermined status. After day 30 of waiting on delay, it switched to undetermined. The gun shop does no release firearms under this status even though it states on the DOJ web page that they can under their own discretion. I am wanting tips on how to resolve this. it is impossible to get a hold of the firearms bureau by phone. any suggestions??

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Old 05-21-2020, 7:57 AM
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Just have to wait. Sucks they do this. Next time be sure to ask and find a gun store/ffl that will release on undetermined. They are out there, just need to ask first. Good luck.
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Old 05-21-2020, 8:02 AM
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Old 05-21-2020, 8:38 AM
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Never use ffl that does not release on undetermined. Many people screw that up. Always ask.
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Old 05-21-2020, 10:30 AM
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find another lgs and ask about their undetermined status policy before making a purchase.
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Jesus, Welcome to CG.

First things first. As a Noob, you likely don't yet know. Your thread subject is a much discussed topic. Because so many people are naive enough to believe the DOJ website is truthful.

To further your knowledge on this duplicity on the part of DOJ. Use the (search) function button at the top of every page and type in "undetermined". Grab some snacks and a supply of your chosen beverage. And settle in for a weeks worth of reading.

Ca PC-28220 [4] which created the undetermined status in 2014. Contains no discretionary option for FFLs.

And uses THE EXACT SAME WORDING, as PC-28220 [A] which is the controlling statute for an "APPROVED" status. Which was enacted in 1991. 23 yrs prior to [4]..... Which makes APPROVED and "UNDETERMINED AFTER 30 DAYS", exactly the same status.

Personally, I would file a [Breach of Contract Suit] against the bastard that is refusing to legally release your lawfully purchased firearm.

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Old 05-22-2020, 12:25 AM
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Oh and another thing Jesus.

The "30 day undetermined" status created by pc-28220[4] is a FAILSAFE. And marks the end of anything DOJ has to do with your DROS.

Your FFL can wait years. But your particular DROS will stay UNDETERMINED FOREVER.

If he knew WTF he was doing, he would know that, and not leave you twisting in the wind.
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Old 05-22-2020, 5:00 PM
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Never use ffl that does not release on undetermined. Many people screw that up. Always ask.
OP, this is not the worst advice, but I would also encourage you to get a COE. Some FFLs will release on undetermined with a COE (or CCW and similar), but will not for Joe 6-pack with just an ID and FSC.
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Day 63 means it's expired now. No use waiting anymore. The extra background check they did when it flipped to undetermined expired on day 60. Your status will never change and this transaction is effectively dead. Get your money and move on or have the FFL ship the firearm to a different FFL that will release on undetermined if you really want that specific one and they are still holding it for you.

ETA: even if the dealer wanted to release ... they can't anymore because they waited too long.
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63 days... that's insane. I would be raging.
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63 days... that's insane. I would be raging.

I would have RAGED at day 31. When the wanker FFL refused to release my legally purchased firearm.

At day 32, the FFL would have been RAGING, because he was served with a subpoena to appear in court for his Breach of Contract.
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63 days? That’s ridiculous.

I believe a couple weeks back it was averaging 16 days.

Has anyone done a purchase recently, are we back to 10 days?

OP, like the other poster suggested, get your money back.
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Op, update please...
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find another lgs and ask about their undetermined status policy before making a purchase.
it's it possible to transfer Ed r to another shop at this point? If so then this is your best option. You're already invested so might as well chip in a few more bucks and get your firearm.
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Any update OP?

Noob..... 1st post question..... POOF GONE..... It Happens.
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