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Old 03-01-2018, 11:23 AM
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Same thing has happened with Diablo and Bay Point now that Diablo did when they planned on building the "indoor range" about 3+ years ago. A waste of money for something unnecessary.

Why? Because ONE CLUB with the complicity of two others designed and spent money on plans for stuff "they wanted", ie. an overflow parking lot for use by Action Pistol/Diablo. Never mind that did nothing to solve the original issue of bullets leaving the property. $500K +/- because "they" wanted it. And now BP is back peddling when called out by one club President acting as "construction manager", the endless design changes, million dollar steel backstops, and the answer is "I didn't do it".

The estimates from the few remaining contractors who haven't told USI to F*** OFF came in between $5M and $7M dollars. NO WAY USI has that kind of money.

These guys "assumed" we could easily sell the vacant land at the bottom of Evora Rd to bankroll their grand plans.

Why someone asked did they tear down a perfectly good range shack? They wanted a premiere range office, with all kinds of extra perks. Again, nothing to stop bullets from leaving the USI property.

Now, that it's torn down, it is a waste of funds to replace it, and we will be assessed on the new construction, pay permits, and it all has to be code. Why did the plan not simply "remodel" the existing bathrooms?

For far too long, Action Pistol has had grand plans to expand. The renter ($30K a year rent) was forced out. Why? AP wanted to "take over" the "corp yard" area. We lost the containers.

The sad thing: USI has LOST almost 3 years of income, and all the while pissed away funds on endless designs, changes, and "wild, unrealistic" dreams of making the range "world class".

Well...you have to make decisions based on your budget, and on "what" you are trying to achieve. That is, stop bullets from leaving the property.

The finger pointing and name calling has now become the rule up there. No one wants to take responsibility. Walnut Creek all along has been outvoted every time they tried to stop the "grab".

So, they are almost back to square one. Anyone in the construction trades knows that once you scrape the land and tear down the structures and buildings.. you gotta spend WAY MORE to replace vs. using that which has served USI for years.

USI ran profitably (after expenses, salaries, etc.) over $100K for six years. We did a lot of improvements, bought equipment, etc. and still banked over $600K. Very healthy.

Now, USI's money has been squandered by "dreamers" from one club, backed by others. And USI still has no range.

This attitude began over four years ago. It shows AP for what it is... the "who cares, we want it". They have been confrontational. They have packed the Board meeting to fight for their special interest. They orchestrated the take over of BP. So they could get their vote. To build an indoor range. To triple the size of AP, yet they DO NOT PAY shoot fees to USI... they call their activity "a club shoot", and exempt themselves from supporting the overall operations. LOOK AT THE FINANCIALS TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE PAID OVER THE YEARS. They were supposed to equal the income renter who was on the AP range. But that never happened. 80 shooters on a weekend? Diablo AP keeps all shoot fees. You should hear their excuses. "It costs us"... "we volunteer". Fully, they gave blank looks when they were reminded that the AP range is on USI property and it isn't a private club separate from USI operations. Insurance, maintenance, property taxes...salaries. Oh, never mind.

It's nice to have a "Cadillac" range, with all the nice amenities, but you gotta pay for it, and you need to make good decisions, BUSINESS decisions.

It's time for a house cleaning at USI and actually put people in who make decisions for USI as a whole, and not one club's "Special Interest".

This is a harsh post. Some will get angry. Some will deny. The Diablo folks were called out at the last Board meeting by a long time Diablo Member who unloaded on them for what has happened.
And the "construction manager" who is a club President chewed them out openly for their hijacking this whole process. Even when confronted about the new baffles and how the $1M expense for the steel is unnecessary (we CAN SHOOT INTO THE 200 FOOT HILL SAFELY), the BP President still said "well, maybe instead of three, we can use two baffles". To which he was scolded "what part of we can shoot into the hill and don't need ANY baffles" do you not understand.

Folks, this is a huge setback. ASK your club (well, the shot callers) what the hell have they been doing? Time to dump out the Kool-Aid.
That says it all. Spot on.
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Old 03-01-2018, 11:53 AM
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Diablo meeting is tonight for anyone who want's to find out whats going on. I have spent 1000's of volunteer hours down at action pistol and at this point I am tired of updates that never come and the bickering that goes back and forth.
Who knows what the real truth is anymore as there are always 2 sides to every story or post on calguns.
frankly I am just to tired to care anymore about who is wrong and who is right. If my membership was due for renewal I know after 4 years of inactivity rebuilding the range I would not renew.
Lots of friends and family are asking if they should renew and at this point it seems the most logical answer is no.
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Diablo meeting is tonight for anyone who want's to find out whats going on. I have spent 1000's of volunteer hours down at action pistol and at this point I am tired of updates that never come and the bickering that goes back and forth.
Who knows what the real truth is anymore as there are always 2 sides to every story or post on calguns.
frankly I am just to tired to care anymore about who is wrong and who is right. If my membership was due for renewal I know after 4 years of inactivity rebuilding the range I would not renew.
Lots of friends and family are asking if they should renew and at this point it seems the most logical answer is no.
Renewal is so cheap, why would you not? Just to help sink the ship faster?

Not that I am not sad and disappointed at the state of things, but as a volunteer org I can totally see why these things happen and I am not going to throw stones when I can't/won't show up to help drive the process.
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Yeah go there and here it right from the Dream Weavers Themselves, they have no shame they will keep the lies going.. If they had any class they would step down.
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Your way off on a lot of your statement
Which one?

A)It's been a goat rodeo since day one.
-Kevin agree's in his post the club leadership can't play nice.
You agreed with him being "spot on".
Every club had their own vision of what USI should be instead of getting a basic range built to code and get the damn public range doors open to stop the hemorrhaging cash.

B)The leadership has peed down their legs and wasted so much with zero return.
-Are you happy about only being able to shot rifle and pistol in 22LR
for all the money that's been wasted?
At least there was bonus demo of the rifle/pistol range and shack.

C)The shotgunners are laughing there azz off. And the punch line is....they've been shooting all these years while the range has been closed.
-You can't disagree here.
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None of the so-called shotguners are Laughing a good 90% of them were regular shooters at the public range and multi purpose and are extremely interested in the range plans. you’re just flat wrong on that. You continue to Perpetuate a Myth.
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Someone needs to call DJT Jr. and get him to invest in USI and boot out all of the bickering cry babies. Heck, it seems like they're worse than a high school auditorium full of PTA moms.
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Need to open up the range. Its costing me too much to shoot shotgun. Tokens go too fast. I buy them 30 at a time. And it cost me a few new shot guns

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The smart Businessman that use USI and know the books and could buy that place with the money in their right front pocket, wouldn’t touch it if you paid them. USI is the free lunch to many. .i.e DAP Millions in hazardous waste clean up laying over its northern and eastern property line that will be dealt with at some point. Nobody even talks about it, even though their Conservation pledge is “I give my pledge as an American to save and to faithfully defend from waste the natural resources of my country it’s soils and minerals it’s air forest waters and wildlife.” It’s just lip service! Maybe the money left would be better spent on that!
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The smart Businessman that use USI and know the books and could buy that place with the money in their right front pocket, wouldnít touch it if you paid them. USI is the free lunch to many. .i.e DAP Millions in hazardous waste clean up laying over its northern and eastern property line that will be dealt with at some point. Nobody even talks about it, even though their Conservation pledge is ďI give my pledge as an American to save and to faithfully defend from waste the natural resources of my country itís soils and minerals itís air forest waters and wildlife.Ē Itís just lip service! Maybe the money left would be better spent on that!
you are starting to sound like a 14 year old girl with your ongoing D.A.P. rants.
how exactly is this helping anything?
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I realize your a fully invested fanboy. How was the meeting don’t see you refuting any of the facts.
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Let's not do the whole personal insults thing.

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Diablo meeting is tonight for anyone who want's to find out whats going on. I have spent 1000's of volunteer hours down at action pistol and at this point I am tired of updates that never come and the bickering that goes back and forth.
Who knows what the real truth is anymore as there are always 2 sides to every story or post on calguns.
frankly I am just to tired to care anymore about who is wrong and who is right. If my membership was due for renewal I know after 4 years of inactivity rebuilding the range I would not renew.
Lots of friends and family are asking if they should renew and at this point it seems the most logical answer is no.
It hasn't been 4 years and if you heard it at a Diablo meeting it's a lie.
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Wow, I just popped in to find out what the heck is happening. I expected that some progress had been made by now. Instead, it sounds like a Sht show.

If the leadership could get everyone to agree on the basic parameters for USI. And set some deadlines leading to an opening date, however far out, perhaps the range wouldn't go in the toilet.

I'm now assuming that the range will not be operational before I move out of CA, and this is another reason I'm moving. All of the decent ranges are closing or are so crowded that they are functionally useless.

For instance, Livermore has become so restrictive that I hate going there. Chabot CLOSED. USI CLOSED. I hate indoor ranges like Dublin. San Leandro is crappy for rifle. The only one I haven't tried is Richmond...and its kinda far.

I doubt I'll shoot at USI again since I'm leaving CA in about 2020, and I doubt they'll be ready by then.

What a bunch of losers.
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So basically the updates are that it’s still 2016 from what I’m getting here?
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Hi this is ProtectThe2ndís wife.

ProtectThe2nd passed away in January.
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ProtectThe2nd passed away in January.
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Agreed. May your strength carry you until his memory becomes a source of smiles instead of one of heartache.
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Donít care. USI is one of the most unfriendly places to shoot anywhere
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Donít care. USI is one of the most unfriendly places to shoot anywhere
Fantastic post; thanks for adding to the discussion.

Glad to see your enthusiasm for another CA range closing. Cause you know... so many are being open every year.
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Which one?

A)It's been a goat rodeo since day one.
-Kevin agree's in his post the club leadership can't play nice.
You agreed with him being "spot on".
Every club had their own vision of what USI should be instead of getting a basic range built to code and get the damn public range doors open to stop the hemorrhaging cash.

B)The leadership has peed down their legs and wasted so much with zero return.
-Are you happy about only being able to shot rifle and pistol in 22LR
for all the money that's been wasted?
At least there was bonus demo of the rifle/pistol range and shack.

C)The shotgunners are laughing there azz off. And the punch line is....they've been shooting all these years while the range has been closed.
-You can't disagree here.
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Donít care. USI is one of the most unfriendly places to shoot anywhere
Well then you don't shoot much at different ranges. It's a shooting range with rules to be safe. Not a social hour for want-to-be
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Donít care. USI is one of the most unfriendly places to shoot anywhere
I never had an unpleasant experience at USI. I shot there several times a year from 1999 until it closed. I do care, and if the range gets its act together and opens, I would love to join one of the clubs and would enjoy shooting at the reopened range every chance I get.


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I never had an unpleasant experience at USI. I shot there several times a year from 1999 until it closed. I do care, and if the range gets its act together and opens, I would love to join one of the clubs and would enjoy shooting at the reopened range every chance I get.


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+1,000,000!!!

I would renew my membership at Diablo and hope to do a competition or two just for fun.
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I for one, have had a few bad experiences at USI, but that is old business, it
has been closed since 16 Sept 2015, it will be 3 years this coming Sept. I tried Richmond in Oct 2016, in my not so humble opinion: jerkoffs. Nothing like it was some years past, lots of attitude. Walked in, paid my $ 17.00 and went 5 ft across the counter and asked for a target, I was asked " have you paid Yet? I just paid right over there, " I wouldnt know that " from the same guy I had just given my $$ to. Sharp as a rock he was. other issues when I couldn't find a 4X6 block for holding up my XDE 40 for shooting. I so bothered the RSO asking if he knew where I could find one, went back to the rifle range and found one. Maybe alot of a- holes had been there lately, it was my first visit in over 10 yrs. So where next, it won't be at USI, and last July my Brentwood membership expired and no renewal again. Hoping for something better soon.

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Only bad experiences I had there were bullets raining on the AP Range from the public range. Hard hats should have been provided.
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I never had an unpleasant experience at USI. I shot there several times a year from 1999 until it closed. I do care, and if the range gets its act together and opens, I would love to join one of the clubs and would enjoy shooting at the reopened range every chance I get.


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Was going every Saturday first thing in the morning for a good stretch. Joined DAP and did some action pistol on other side of the bern. Hell, USI is what got me into reloading I was shooting so much.

Sunday's during football season was great, place was dead! Being a member, I often left with more in brass than what it cost me to shoot. I got yelled at once for touching the bench during a target change, never did that again.

Talked rifles with some of the older RSO's, me being young it was great.

My shooting has fallen off the map since it closed. I'm nearly in the middle of USI, Livermore and the now gone Chabot. Livermore sucks since you can't shoot pistol and rifle without paying again. I'll go to Richmond but it's been well over a year.

I paid for a 3 year USI membership too about 6 months before the closure. I'm hoping things get resolved soon and the action pistol doesn't get canned too.
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You a member or just a whiner?
I'm a member in only one club now, but several for many years. You?
Most likey before you were a funny feeling in your father's loins.

That all changes come July and I sever all ties to USI Never again!
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I was a Diablo member, Benchrest Match director and RSO (the nice one) for six years.

I gave up on USI early, after hearing about the plan to spend $800K+ on a synthetic bullet-trap to be installed on the public-rangeís 200í hillside. WTF?

This was about the same time that our clubís president recommended we also join the other clubs so we could vote in leadership that matches the desires of Diablo. Yeah, lots not work together, letís just stuff the ballot boxes to get ďourĒ way.

There were a few good guys running the clubs for a time but in 2015 they were overridden by the pant-wetters. They brought this all on themselves; no one with any authority asked or told them to take corrective measures! Someone showed Simple Steve a coffee can of bullets and the snowball was kicked down the hill. Boom, closed within days.

They could have installed baffles/tubes on every firing station for less than $20K (tops) in a weekend and then look into long-term solutions.
But when you give a bunch of soft-headed, 60/70-something, lifetime middle managers a simple project - infighting and turf control tend to follow.

Still sad to see it go. The remaining ranges suck by comparison.

Fortunately, gun stuff returns about 90% of its purchase costs on resale so I sold everything and am happily enjoying a new hobby.

Good Luck, everyone.

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Just curious - at point does USI burn through their cash reserves to the point where they wonít actually be able to afford new construction? I would have thought that has come and gone but maybe I am wrong?
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After almost 3 years of nothing. I have lost all hope for USI.

It's a case study on how we are our own worst enemy.
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This range is literally over the hill in my backyard. I used to wake up to gunfire every Saturday morning . It was great. Ever since it closed down I haven’t been able to shoot that much . Livermore is nice but bit of a drive , long wait and a time limit. Wish it was still around. I’m not quite sure on what the politics are about it being besides BS bullet frags .
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in my opinion They have a bunch of idiots running things over there. Men running around playing construction managers who don't know a hole in their head from a hole in the ground. Losing $300,000 thousand a year because they have a little money to spend and they act like big shots.
If they keep it up they'll have no contractors that will want to do the job. They should swallow their small pride and take the advice of the contracts because just maybe some of them have a little experience in slinging dirt, tying iron and pouring concrete.

The first step a few years ago should have been spent on a project manager. That would of been money saved.
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Sadly they did have a good project manager but they ran him off for not telling them what they wanted. Same as the original engineer. Both told them what they wanted was unreasonable for the budget they have and so both where replaced. Funny or should I say Sad thing is, if the shotgun conspiracy group had their way, the public range would have been rebuilt and open now. Instead we still don't have plans ready to build and no time line to get it done and no straight answers from those in charge. They threw a fit wanting it their way, even staged a take over of another club. I wish they where as good at actually running things as the where at politics.

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Does anyone know the current status? Are we still in "planning / permitting" mode 3 years later?
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