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National 2nd Amend. Political & Legal Discussion Discuss national gun rights and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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First gun control passage of Biden admin: H.R. 8
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It won't be too long until my escape to Utah for a number of reasons, but their gun laws being a strong reason to move here, won't matter anymore as the US mirrors CA gun laws. The national gun registry just got one step closer...
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We can thank all those idiot "patriots" that rioted and broke into Congress during a crucial vote on Jan 6. It wasn't over until then.
Last edited by Dan_Eastvale; 03-11-2021 at 8:52 AM.. |
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Oh yeah, I still think there was some level of orchestration there. But I have zero evidence other than a feeling.
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You do realize that even IF this gets through the Senate, this doesn't change our life here in CA in ANY way, right? We have the exact same transfer restrictions in place and have for many years.
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They don't deserve liberty and freedom either... |
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It does change your life in CA. Gunsmith returns and C&R long gun transfers cannot go to the transferee without an 01 FFL transferring as if it was from the dealer’s inventory. You can bet that the Cal DoJ will argue that this means tax and DROS.
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The response to the Cal DoJ argument will be that it requires the FFL dealer to comply with “all requirements of this chapter” and state tax and DROS are not “of this chapter” which is a federal chapter.
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Just because we have stupid politicians who make stupid laws to restrict our God given rights doesn't mean the feds should have the right to dictate gun laws to free states.
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I don't see an exception for 03 FFL to 03 FFL transfer. The bill states that:
It shall be unlawful for any person who is not a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer to transfer a firearm to any other person who is not so licensed, unless a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer has first taken possession of the firearm for the purpose of complying with subsection (t) The law, as written, basically says unless you are a licensed manufacturer, dealer or importer, you need to have one of those three licensed entities run a background check on the person who is getting the firearm. It does not require background checks for 07 to 03 FFL transfers, but does for any 03 to non-07 (dealer/manuf/importers) transfers. Also, non-FFL to 03 FFL transfers of collectors firearms will also need to go through an 07 type (dealer/manuf/importer) for a background check on the 03 FFL. Last edited by jtake; 03-11-2021 at 10:50 AM.. Reason: Added non-FFL to 03 FFL transfer |
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me: the 0bola admin was the absolute worst in American history....
xiden admin: "hold my beer"
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False. It means no escaping.
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If every gun owner in the country voted Republican, Biden/Harris and the rest would not be in Washington...put the blame where it belongs; DEMOCRAT VOTING GUN OWNERS ARE TRAITORS TO THE 2A and TRAITORS TO THE CONSTIUTION. Until they are held accountable by their peers, expect nothing to change in the future.
Did you vote Biden in November? Any other democrats in any of the past ten election cycles?
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The election was over well before the vote. Anything else was delusional garbage being peddled by people that refused to see what was happening.
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Talk about "shooting ourselves in the foot"...
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"If every gun owner in the country voted Republican, Biden/Harris and the rest would not be in Washington...put the blame where it belongs; DEMOCRAT VOTING GUN OWNERS ARE TRAITORS TO THE 2A and TRAITORS TO THE CONSTIUTION. Until they are held accountable by their peers, expect nothing to change in the future."
+100 you can also give credit to the Trump haters who did not vote cause Trump hurt their feelings. How you like Mao now?? It had nothing to do with Jan 6th 2021- the Neo Communist Democrats want to disarm Americas except perhaps their criminal voter base gangsters, antifa, BLM etc. They do not give a damn about crime or the law- they only care about power, money, and destroying the traditional America that they hate.. If they cared about crime- John Sullivan the suspected false flag Antifa BLM operator who was in the capital building dressed as a Trump fan- right next to Air Force veteran Ashli Babbit egging her on it seems when she was shot in the face on Jan. 6th would be in jail not sprung from jail by Democrat enablers and out on the street. They had plans in place to shed the Constitution and the second in place prior to the "election" of Joe Biden. Long before, they stated so in print. Its possible imo that their were other Antifa/BLM agitators in the crowd besides Sullivan controlled by the Neo Bolsheviks whose mission was to manufacture a crisis for them to use- but make no mistake they would have done it anyway. Last edited by Ugly Hombre; 03-11-2021 at 12:42 PM.. |
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Do you think California will be content to remain on par with any national law and not increase restrictions to become yet again "the leader"?
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WOW
False flags make lies become truth...
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I did some editing of your "wordy" statement.
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If the ffl takes possession on the firearm before the DROS, off roster sales are OVER! |
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Seriously? What do you mean by 'over'? Are you trying to say that if the Jan. 6th incident did NOT happen that the Democrats would be trying to implement a more 'kinder, gentler' version of what they are now going to do, not just in regard to firearms but across the board? For that to be true you'd also have to believe that virtually every anti firearm statement they [Robert Francis O'Rourke et al] have made were just empty political hot air meant to rile up their base and that they had no intention of following up on those ideas if/when they could. This is fantasy of the highest order ever since they first uttered the phrase 'resist at ALL costs'. No, it was as you say 'over' LONG before President Trump came down that escalator and what they are planning is the logical extension of what they've been doing for DECADES, all the way back to and even probably past the GCA of 1968, with notable 'high water' marks like the Feinstein bills regarding 'assault weapons'. Also throw in the Democrats now have the so called radical 'progressives' who are FAR more 'politically reliable' than past 'liberal' representatives who the Democrats can count on for support irregardless of what their constituents want/think.
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- News flash: Gun owners are a MINORITY in the United States, a constitutional republic where majorities rule. - The morons who illegally trespassed on the US Capitol on Jan 6 gave the democrats, their progressive minions and the media all the ammunition they need to "go BIG" in the war on the 2A! - Perception is REALITY in the real politic and the democrats, just like the communists they admire, control the perception of reality because they control the news media! yes.. the MORONS, without adult supervision, handed the democrat's a HUGE Public Relations victory that will be used against us / 2A / Constitution for decades!
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Some are already awake. Read Idaho's Constitution comments on weapons as an example..
California already has a massive black market. Check the last 2 AW registrations and see how many weapons were actually registered...DOJ says less than 10%.
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It'll be interesting to watch this play out. SCOTUS generally defers to the Feds when there is a clear instance of a law affecting interstate commerce.
The interesting aspect is that a purely "in state" Federal gun law was shot down by SCOTUS in US v Lopez. https://www.oyez.org/cases/1994/93-1260
Interstate gun sales already require FFL involvement. Intrastate gun sales do involve commerce, but not the interstate kind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn complicates things, but used gun purchases are not purchases of new guns, new guns are already controlled, used gun purchases are overwhelmingly local, and interstate used gun purchases already go through FFLs due to existing law. Could a decent lawyer "swiss cheese" this new law, if it were to pass? : shrug : -- Michael |
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It would have happened, regardless, it was part of Dems agenda way before Jan 6. I guess you didn't follow the Dems pre-election promises.
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Democrats need no scapegoat to pass gun control. All they need is majority control. This bill was written before the election. The only thing that could have stopped its passage was the reelection of DJT
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or not losing those two GA Senate seats
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As expected Retard Joe is in office less than 2 months. And Demrat Mike Thompson from SF North Bay. {Pukelosi's backyard}
Introduces legislation to CALIFORNICATE the entire nation. As long as citizens are willing to sell their personal freedoms and constitutional protections to the Party of Vote Demrat Get Free Ch!t. This is the expected outcome. |
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ANTI 2a RINO LIST
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ns/ar-BB1euuNF
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OMG, OMG, OMG - the House passed a gun control bill - OMG, OMG, OMG.
This bill is going nowhere, so can we just chill and relax? Filibuster in the Senate prevents passage of any bill except the reconciliation, and D-s have just used it up for Covid bailout. If they kill filibuster, and they can't because not everyone is onboard, they will get pro-gun bills rammed down their throats the next congress, much like we got *three* justices confirmed recently, including replacing RBG with ACB. Can we at least analyze the situation rationally and not panic?
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Perhaps the irony of § 32310 escapes notice....With Colonists still hurting from the wounds of war, the Second Amendment guaranteed the rights of new American citizens to protect themselves from oppressors foreign and domestic. So, now it is ironic that the State whittles away at the right of its citizens to defend themselves from the possible oppression of their State. - Judge Roger T. Benitez |
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