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Old 02-10-2019, 3:45 PM
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Default Ellen Lee Zhou for San Francisco Mayor 2019

Hey folks,

I know politics wise, we haven't had much good news in a while for Calfornia gun owners. I still believe things could turn around for us despite how things had are turning out in recent years. I've found myself involved with a San Francisco mayoral candidate named Ellen Lee Zhou. Yes, Im an official representative of her campaign. Because she came in 5th place last year, Ellen is running again this year because being in the 5th place without of whole lot of resources like London Breed had, we believe it is plausible for conservatives to take back San Francisco.

Ellen holds conservative values, including free speech, and of course the 2nd amendment.
We will be at the CowPalace gun show March 16th-17th so she can meet gun owners directly, and rally support. So, I wonder how many of you still visit the show?

Don't know who Ellen Lee Zhou is? I dont blame you, its hard to get any signal out with the far left drowning any other voices. But you can check our campaign website here to read more about her:
http://ellenformayor2019.com/

Got some questions? Want to volunteer? I'd like to hear from Calguners regarding your concerns of gun rights as well, as politics of the San Francisco bay area. I'll try my very best to answer them.
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SF has annual mayoral elections?
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SF has annual mayoral elections?
Terms are 4 years long, max of 2 terms.
Last year was a special election due to Ed Lee's death in Dec 2017.
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Terms are 4 years long, max of 2 terms.
Last year was a special election due to Ed Lee's death in Dec 2017.
Ah, got it. So do elections normally fall on odd numbered years then?
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Typically they do in recent years.
Details here on wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor_of_San_Francisco
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Unfortunately, we had people personally asked her about gun control and 2A opinion in Wechat group, and she tried to avoid the question directly. In addition, we tried to ask her to publish her opinion on gun control and 2A, she didn't response.
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Im sure she's far from the worst candidate but to say she's pro 2a is going to require proof.
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Unfortunately, we had people personally asked her about gun control and 2A opinion in Wechat group, and she tried to avoid the question directly. In addition, we tried to ask her to publish her opinion on gun control and 2A, she didn't response.
If it was done so last year, it is something she did not focused on and had much had as much knowledge from. 2A is very much on the table this year.

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Im sure she's far from the worst candidate but to say she's pro 2a is going to require proof.
Unlike Steve Poizner and Meg Meg Whitman in 2010, they both had tables at the CowPalace show, but only had their lackeys there. You can show up to the CowPalace gunshow this March and challenge her yourself.
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Im sure she's far from the worst candidate but to say she's pro 2a is going to require proof.
I agree, need a proof to show she is pro 2A.
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What's her stance on....anything? That website has essentially nothing on it.
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What's her stance on....anything? That website has essentially nothing on it.
We're actually actively working on improving the content of the site.
There will be some major updates to the site shortly. One of the first bullet point item will be expanded upon will be about free speech, and under concept in the recent mob IRL and digital de-personing.

2A elaboration will come under the section supporting the US Constitution section.

Also, Have some mercy, we're volunteers that includes everything from graphics work to writing up content. Give us a bit of time to get our acts together. And yes, this is also why you're actively looking for volunteers too.
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Wouldn't it actually be better to do something, actually in San Francisco? I'll bet that the majority of attendee's to Cow Palace gun shows, are not SF voter's. I'd think getting whatever message out to SF resident's is more important than a booth at a Daly City beef jerky sale.
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I agree, need a proof to show she is pro 2A.
May I ask how you'd quantify this?
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Wouldn't it actually be better to do something, actually in San Francisco? I'll bet that the majority of attendee's to Cow Palace gun shows, are not SF voter's. I'd think getting whatever message out to SF resident's is more important than a booth at a Daly City beef jerky sale.
Because we want to reach gun owners.
We are already doing other things in San Francisco.
Majority or not, Im pretty sure gun owners who happens to live in San Francisco do happen to visit the show too just like any other bay area cities.
Also, you don't have to actually live in San Francisco to help or have a vested interest in the matter.
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May I ask how you'd quantify this?
When one lady mentioned 2A and gun control at one of your Wechat group , she was questioned by the group leader and asked to leave the wechat group. This was what we observed from your team.

How you would show she is fully support our 2A right? it is easier to just say she is, but you need to show how she supports.
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When one lady mentioned 2A and gun control at one of your Wechat group , she was questioned by the group leader and asked to leave the wechat group. This was what we observed from your team.

How you would show she is fully support our 2A right? it is easier to just say she is, but you need to show how she supports.
I dont know which WeChat group you might talking about, as there are ALOT of them, and when this happened. I can assure you whoever rudely ejected the inquiring person is unlikely to be one who hold any authority in speaking for Ellen on said subject. In fact, I am the only person who is authorized to make statement for her regarding to gun related issues. So I apologize for that incident, as I am unaware of it. But quite honestly, WeChat is really not the best place for these sort of discussions for great many reasons, and we're actively trying to ween ourselves from it.

Welp, like I said, it'll take time for us to get our act together. But we hope to met meet you at the gunshow so that you can cast the doubts from your heart and mind. As for the website. Again, Please have patience, we're working on it.. And we're looking for volunteers to help out so that these questions can be curbed.
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even if nuetral on 2 a that far better than anything else out there
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Would be nice to get something in writing from her
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She should put out a firm statement outlining her stance on the second amendment and gun control laws in California.

Does she agree with the assault weapon ban?
Does she agree with all of the utterly stupid laws passed in the "gunmageddon" bill? If not, which ones does she disagree with? Put it in writing. Stand tall and proud.
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^^_ what does she stand to gain from that?
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She should put out a firm statement outlining her stance on the second amendment and gun control laws in California.

Does she agree with the assault weapon ban?
Does she agree with all of the utterly stupid laws passed in the "gunmageddon" bill? If not, which ones does she disagree with? Put it in writing. Stand tall and proud.
Let me just start by saying this is my personal opinion, and I am not speaking for her.

Elaborating her bullet points were something I've been pushing for a while and have personally put in a good amount of time and resources.
However, our diversion beings at how this is to be approached. Philosophical and understanding of 2A and issues with Freedom of Speech. In perticular to digital unpersoning.

While I've done all I can to steer her to the right direction, ultimately what and how much depth in knowledge is all on her obviously.
Let me just put it this way, earlier in this thread there were talks about a conversation over WeChat. But do consider not just the conversation context but why WeChat is even in the equation.

I will leave it at that.
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Guys, ChibiPaw is a long standing Calguns member, no doubt ChibiPaw is 100% 2nd A through and through. And if ChibiPaw is on said candidate's political team, well then, to me, that says it all.

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Guys, ChibiPaw is a long standing Calguns member, no doubt ChibiPaw is 100% 2nd A through and through. And if ChibiPaw is on said candidate's political team, well then, to me, that says it all.

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For myself, I am absolutely a 2A advocate.
Full discloser regarding to this campaign, I've been involved with this project at the beginning of the year. And gun politics wasn't something on the table until I brought it up as a means of approaching other conservatives. It was then she decided to take it up as a platform that she would stand for.

However, as much as I've been trying to push for educating the gun culture and digital literacy, modernizing the website, which includes expanded on all 5 of the bullet points. None of which really made any headways, and I am no longer involved in an official manner as before.

Being unable to grasp the concept of trigger disciplines, and muzzle sweeps at the show. I have my doubts on getting any meaning answers to hard questions such as the path of Duncan v. Becerra case.

But hey, I welcome a surprise to change my mind on the current sentiment.
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But do consider not just the conversation context but why WeChat is even in the equation.
Trying to appeal to a Chinese voter base who historically and culturally have a low opinion of personal ownership of firearms, I'd assume.

I'm Chinese myself. It took a long, long time for me to come around to where I'm at, I'm working on my parents, and unfortunately I have siblings who look like they will forever be Fudds.
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However, as much as I've been trying to push for educating the gun culture and digital literacy, modernizing the website, which includes expanded on all 5 of the bullet points. None of which really made any headways, and I am no longer involved in an official manner as before.

Being unable to grasp the concept of trigger disciplines, and muzzle sweeps at the show.
Interesting - so my interpretation of what you're saying is that you tried, but the political team had issues embracing your suggestions, and thus you backed off and aren't helping at this point? Wondering how they can champion the message without truly understanding the message.

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Trying to appeal to a Chinese voter base who historically and culturally have a low opinion of personal ownership of firearms, I'd assume.

I'm Chinese myself. It took a long, long time for me to come around to where I'm at, I'm working on my parents, and unfortunately I have siblings who look like they will forever be Fudds.
Its more used as a staging ground for the campaign than anything else. Which it's a bad idea in an of itself. There are no gun related discussion other than the one guy who was shown the door a while back after asking about it according the entry earlier in this thread.

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Interesting - so my interpretation of what you're saying is that you tried, but the political team had issues embracing your suggestions, and thus you backed off and aren't helping at this point? Wondering how they can champion the message without truly understanding the message.

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You're correct in your assessment of my involvement. However, it's less so a team issue, but more so a leadership issue. I've fulfilled my obligations for the Cow Palace show, and that's where I hop off the short bus.

As to your question about championing a message. I believe it is more a convenient sound bite than truly caring about an issue. Had she actually and truly cared about the big picture in gun rights, she would be actively building up credibility in the gun community. These sort of credibility doesnt come over night. or even in the time span of 7 months had she started full throttle today.
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I know that in San Francisco, illegals have more constitutional rights than people born in America, so foreigners are favored more than actual Americans (for example, the tragedy of Kate Steinem), but I am still going to need very good reasons to vote for someone born in Red China and has Chinese plastered all over her web page. She’s a “community activist” and a union leader. Even for San Francisco, what is conservative about her?
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