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Old 10-09-2018, 4:52 PM
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Default Your opinion, what is best semi-auto fixed barrel gun currently made, or ever made?

Steyer GB? thats still being made today isn't it? Hk p7 has been discontinued as far as I know. Those are the only two of quality I can think of off the top of my head.

Seems like 90% of the SA pistol game is based on browning tilting barrel the remaining %10 miscellaneous collection of rotating barrels, roller locks or gas retarding systems like the GB/P7 as mentioned. Your thoughts?

EDIT: I should have specified combat grade pistols, 9mm or greater in muzzle energy


I was not talking about target pistols or .380/.25acp pocket guns with lower muzzle energy.
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From the top of my head, S&W 41, Ruger SR-22, Desert Eagle, Beretta 87 Target all have fixed barrels. That's just the ones I own and can quickly think of...
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HiPoint 9mm.

I would say the HK P7.
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Do you mean a semi-auto pistol with higher powered rounds like the 9mm para and above which needs to use a locking mechanism?

Otherwise there are plenty of semi-auto pistols using direct blowback that feature a non-tilting, non-rotating barrel. All 22 pistols, all 380 blowback designs, all 25ACP and 32 ACP pistols....etc.

Semi-auto, fixed barrel pistols that I can think of which fires 9mm or larger cartridge, and have non-tilting, non-rotating barrel would be the Mauser C96 and Luger P08. They were expensive to make for a reason.

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I was pleasantly surprised at how accurate my Sig P232 .380 is w/ the fixed barrel. Not enthusiastic about the round itself, but pretty accurate FWIW.
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HiPoint 9mm.

I would say the HK P7.
I specifically looked at this thread to see if anyone mentioned the HiPoint. You did not disappoint.
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I agree with 556Geo, my HK- P7M8 is amazingly accurate even in my hands.
Striker fired with a gas recoil system makes it a very soft shooting 9mm Parabellum.
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Alls I know is I am "moving out of CA" when these are released in mass production.
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Do you mean a semi-auto pistol with higher powered rounds like the 9mm para and above which needs to use a locking mechanism?

Otherwise there are plenty of semi-auto pistols using direct blowback that feature a non-tilting, non-rotating barrel. All 22 pistols, all 380 blowback designs, all 25ACP and 32 ACP pistols....etc.

Semi-auto, fixed barrel pistols that I can think of which fires 9mm or larger cartridge, and have non-tilting, non-rotating barrel would be the Mauser C96 and Luger P08. They were expensive to make for a reason.
Yes I should have specified duty/military genre, my bad. Anything NOT chambered in a combat cartridge such as 9x19 or more powerful I meant to exclude, as as far as I know nobody ever built a NON-fixed barrel rimfire.
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Well the Astra 400 in 9mm Largo was fixed barrel and service cartridge - or you could find a Savage 1907 in .45 ACP
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Speaking about the HK P7.... Just came across another post about a guy who just might put one up for sale in So Cal Huntington Beach area. He’s got an M13, 9mm variant so if anybody locally has been wanting to cross it off their bucket list you can find him here.

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Beretta M9 Commercial.
I'm no fan of the double-action trigger design in general, and much prefer the 1911; however the example I own has excellent workmanship, is smooth, reliable, and accurate.
BTW, it also seems to digest ammo that even none of our Glock 19's like.
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Beretta M9 Commercial.
I'm no fan of the double-action trigger design in general, and much prefer the 1911; however the example I own has excellent workmanship, is smooth, reliable, and accurate.
BTW, it also seems to digest ammo that even none of our Glock 19's like.
Beretta M9 does have a "recoiling" barrel, so technically it's not fixed.

Walther P38 has the same mechanism, a recoiling barrel with drop block breech lock.
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Steyer GB? thats still being made today isn't it? Hk p7 has been discontinued as far as I know. Those are the only two of quality I can think of off the top of my head.
AR-15, Sig MPX, Sig MCX.
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Beretta M9 Commercial.
Not fixed
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Do you mean a semi-auto pistol with higher powered rounds like the 9mm para and above which needs to use a locking mechanism?

Otherwise there are plenty of semi-auto pistols using direct blowback that feature a non-tilting, non-rotating barrel. All 22 pistols, all 380 blowback designs, all 25ACP and 32 ACP pistols....etc.

Semi-auto, fixed barrel pistols that I can think of which fires 9mm or larger cartridge, and have non-tilting, non-rotating barrel would be the Mauser C96 and Luger P08. They were expensive to make for a reason.
Technically, the Luger doesn't qualify. It's not fixed but slides back upon firing.
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Technically, the Luger doesn't qualify. It's not fixed but slides back upon firing.
It does? I always thought it was a fixed barrel like the Mauser C96.

I stand corrected.
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Not fixed
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It does? I always thought it was a fixed barrel like the Mauser C96.

I stand corrected.
The C96 barrel along with its attached extension also slide back during operation
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It does? I always thought it was a fixed barrel like the Mauser C96.

I stand corrected.
Go to the Luger forum to see a great little animation of how the Luger functions.

http://www.lugerforum.com
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The venerable Raven 25 ACP

That was going to be my choice. Amazing weapon.
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That Heritage Stealth 9mm was kinda badass, in a cheap funky way.
Wasn’t the Vector from South Africa also a delayed blowback?
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That Heritage Stealth 9mm was kinda badass, in a cheap funky way.
Wasn’t the Vector from South Africa also a delayed blowback?
I fired one wasn't all that great or totally reliable. Not many fixed barrel larger caliber handguns have been made. On a blowback the slide has to be massive and/or recoil spring very heavy to do so.

Many have already been mentioned. I guess Astra 400/600 would be one of the more prolific and successful designs except the Hi Point.

I think I remember my Norinco 77b having a fixed barrel gas operated retarded blowback action.
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Here are two of the finest fixed barrel handguns ever made. Unfortunately both are discontinued and neither are on the Ca roster, although the P7M8 was at one time. Prices for each continue to rise every year in the secondary market.

The p9s is particularly interesting as it’s a fixed barrel handgun, but not in the typical way. Most fixed barrel handguns have the barrel affixed to the frame, like the P7 or the Walther PPK. The P9s barrel is fixed in the slide, but is removable. When the firearm cycles, the barrel does not move. It uses the MP5 and G3 style roller delayed blowback action and has a miniature roller delayed blowback bolt just like its big brothers. It’s also a hammer fired da/sa handgun with an internal hammer with external “hammer cocked” indicator. It has a multi function lever that a serves as a decocker, a recocker, a slide lock, and a slide release. It also has a slide mounted safety and an internal recoil buffer in a housing in the dust cover area of the frame. It’s a fascinating firearm, has an amazing trigger, and a weird manual of arms.

Also to the OP, unfortunately the Steyr GB is also discontinued. It too is a fine tank of a handgun, and shares the gas delayed blowback action of the P7. It lost to the Glock 17 in the Austrian military trials, and competed against and lost to the Beretta M9 in the US military trials.

The only current production fixed barrel 9mm handgun that i’m aware of that utilizes the gas delayd blowback action is the Walther CCP.






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