Canceal carry in AZ

[golfish]

Hey guys, I'm spinning on what I've read regarding the carry laws in AZ.

I don't have any kind of permit to CC in any state.

Can I CC in AZ ?

It's not something I plan to do, I really don't care. My buddy actually asked me about it.

I'm going to visit some buddies there. I'm going to pickup my buddy in Mesa and were going to ride up and hookup with another buddy in Prescott, then do a couple day trips from there.

[9Cal_OC]

Yes. You’re good to go to conceal carry. (Not sure whyd you want to cancel carry )
Just stay out of liquor establishments (bars, clubs, etc).

[therealnickb]

^ what he said. No permit required.

[Librarian]

Also need to avoid school zones - FedLaw says exempt if you have a permit from the state where the school is.

18 USC 922 (q)

(2)(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.

(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm-

(i) on private property not part of school grounds;

(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;

Don't know how actual AZ residents deal with that when no CCW required. Perhaps not often enforced.

[noseyparker2u]

In AZ you can open carry or CC almost anywhere.

The exceptions would be bars, Govt. buildings, (Fed. city, county) and schools.

Private property (including retail stores) must display, in a conspicuous place, a state approved sigh to carry legal weight.

Of course, it's private property, so they can ask you to leave for any reason even without a sign.

[sigstroker]

I think you have to be legal to buy a handgun if you carry a handgun. So if you're a crim or a kid, no-go.

[DaveInOroValley]

Love living here, like the Founding Fathers envisioned our country.

[Ewok55]

You don't need it if you are just concerned about AZ But if you want an AZ nonresident CCW permit, they accept a hunter safety certificate as an acceptable training class. It has reciprocity in a lot of states, some that you need a permit in.

[golfish]

Originally Posted by Librarian

Also need to avoid school zones - FedLaw says exempt if you have a permit from the state where the school is.

18 USC 922 (q)

Don't know how actual AZ residents deal with that when no CCW required. Perhaps not often enforced.

I'll most likely carry in my backpack in a soft case with a lock. That's okay in Ca, it's ok in Az, right ?

[golfish]

Originally Posted by Ewok55

You don't need it if you are just concerned about AZ But if you want an AZ nonresident CCW permit, they accept a hunter safety certificate as an acceptable training class. It has reciprocity in a lot of states, some that you need a permit in.

I have that, is the nonresident ccw permit something I can do online ? I plan to visit Az a lot

[therealnickb]

Originally Posted by golfish

I have that, is the nonresident ccw permit something I can do online ? I plan to visit Az a lot

Mostly. https://www.azdps.gov/services/public/cwp

They do want fingerprints.

But again, if AZ is the only state you’ll visit, no permit is needed to conceal or open carry. And if your plan is to keep it locked in backpack, I’m not seeing much of a point in having it at all. Unless of course you just want to go plinking…

[bballwizard05]

Originally Posted by golfish

I'll most likely carry in my backpack in a soft case with a lock. That's okay in Ca, it's ok in Az, right ?

Don't tell any locals you are carrying with a locked gun, we may chuckle. If you don't want to carry the gun on your person, put it in a soft holster in your backpack, but no need to lock it. Come to our lovely state, spend your money, enjoy our beauty, and carry your piece legally like we as Americans were meant to. I'm in the Prescott area, getting chilly at night, so bring a sweater!

[splithoof]

Originally Posted by therealnickb

Mostly. https://www.azdps.gov/services/public/cwp

They do want fingerprints.

But again, if AZ is the only state you’ll visit, no permit is needed to conceal or open carry. And if your plan is to keep it locked in backpack, I’m not seeing much of a point in having it at all. Unless of course you just want to go plinking…

Get the permit from Az, it can easily be done without going there first.
You can enter an establishment that serves alcohol (but not consume it yourself), such as a restaurant with a bar. Also, some of the Indian reservations are OK with a permit holder being on their lands while off the main state highways.
I’d personally avoid open carry, but that is only my opinion. Today while in Globe, I observed one gentleman OC, but nobody really cares. I don’t see that very often, mostly out in less populated areas.
Lastly, an Az permit is recognized in a bunch of other states, so there is that.

[audiophil2]

Originally Posted by Librarian

Also need to avoid school zones - FedLaw says exempt if you have a permit from the state where the school is.

18 USC 922 (q)

Don't know how actual AZ residents deal with that when no CCW required. Perhaps not often enforced.

Not legal advice here.

This is a federal law. Feds dont street patrol. Local cops are tough on school zone speed so just do 15 and no problem. If stopped for speeding just dont say anything about guns unless asked. It's not a big deal. Gfsz is usually an add on to drug charges or other criminal activity.

[therealnickb]

Originally Posted by splithoof

Get the permit from Az, it can easily be done without going there first.
You can enter an establishment that serves alcohol (but not consume it yourself), such as a restaurant with a bar. Also, some of the Indian reservations are OK with a permit holder being on their lands while off the main state highways.
I’d personally avoid open carry, but that is only my opinion. Today while in Globe, I observed one gentleman OC, but nobody really cares. I don’t see that very often, mostly out in less populated areas.
Lastly, an Az permit is recognized in a bunch of other states, so there is that.

My main point in that response was most of the permit can be done online. Fingerprints can be done by Livescan or local police/sheriff.

You just can’t do everything online to my knowledge.

[SVT-40]

Originally Posted by Librarian

Also need to avoid school zones - FedLaw says exempt if you have a permit from the state where the school is.

18 USC 922 (q)

Don't know how actual AZ residents deal with that when no CCW required. Perhaps not often enforced.

It's not enforced... Nobody cares.

Just to add Yavapai County and Prescott specifically are sanctuary areas, where each has voted to not assist the Fed's in enforcement of gun laws.

YMMV inother counties and cities.

[G-forceJunkie]

The big win for having an easy to get AZ CCW is you can carry in Nevada.

[golfish]

This is where I get confused. Its not like it takes much If everybody can open carry and conceal carry in Az, why do you need a permit?

[static2126]

Originally Posted by Librarian

Also need to avoid school zones - FedLaw says exempt if you have a permit from the state where the school is.

18 USC 922 (q)

Don't know how actual AZ residents deal with that when no CCW required. Perhaps not often enforced.

Same as TX. If going to be around school zones a lot get your ccw

Edit: diff than TX. In TX no ccw means you locally cannot carry in school zone

[wpod]

Originally Posted by golfish

This is where I get confused. Its not like it takes much If everybody can open carry and conceal carry in Az, why do you need a permit?

I have it because I travel outside AZ all the time. Other States honor the AZ permit. Most don't honor our permitless carry

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[G-forceJunkie]

Originally Posted by golfish

This is where I get confused. Its not like it takes much If everybody can open carry and conceal carry in Az, why do you need a permit?

Did you read the whole thread? It give you MORE places you can carry.

Without a permit: You cannot carry in any restraunt that serves booze.

With a permit: You CAN carry in any restraunt that serves booze.

[golfish]

Originally Posted by wpod

I have it because I travel outside AZ all the time. Other States honor the AZ permit. Most don't honor our permitless carry

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Ok, so that makes sense.

Thanks

[therealnickb]

Originally Posted by golfish

This is where I get confused. Its not like it takes much If everybody can open carry and conceal carry in Az, why do you need a permit?

You don’t if that’s the only state you’re concerned about.

[therealnickb]

Originally Posted by G-forceJunkie

Did you read the whole thread? It give you MORE places you can carry.

Without a permit: You cannot carry in any restraunt that serves booze.

With a permit: You CAN carry in any restraunt that serves booze.

That I didn’t know.

My friends that live in AZ just don’t care. They always have a pocket pistol of some kind regardless of where they are.

[Fate]

Originally Posted by DaveInOroValley

Love living here, like the Founding Fathers envisioned our country.

Pretty sure the Founders didn’t think your 2A ended at the tavern door.

Idaho even allows carry while drinking in a bar as long as you are not legally intoxicated.

[Pofoo]

Originally Posted by golfish

I'll most likely carry in my backpack in a soft case with a lock. That's okay in Ca, it's ok in Az, right ?

You might as well just keep it locked up in your car trunk. Locked in a back pack would have limited access.

[golfish]

Originally Posted by Pofoo

You might as well just keep it locked up in your car trunk. Locked in a back pack would have limited access.

Like mentioned in the OP, we'll be riding. I'll be riding the bike in my avatar. No bags, just a backpack and a rolled up tool bag.

A stop at my buddies in Mesa and then up to Prescott. I've made that trip several times, just not on the bikes.

[19K]

Originally Posted by golfish

I'll most likely carry in my backpack in a soft case with a lock. That's okay in Ca, it's ok in Az, right ?

Why?

What good is carrying a gun if it’s not accessible?

[golfish]

Thanks guys,
I'm sure I have all of the info I need .....

Good stuffing

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by SVT-40

It's not enforced... Nobody cares.

There has been conviction for violating the Federal GFSZ laws in the 1st, 3rd, 6th, 8th, 9th, 10th, and 11th Federal Circuit Courts.

[SVT-40]

Originally Posted by golfish

Ok, so that makes sense.

Thanks

A AZ issues CCW permit also allows gun buyers (AZ residents) to not go through the NICS check when buying a gun from a dealer. You fill out the 4473, sign it and off you go.

[mej16489]

Originally Posted by noseyparker2u

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Private property (including retail stores) must display, in a conspicuous place, a state approved sigh to carry legal weight.

Of course, it's private property, so they can ask you to leave for any reason even without a sign.

Incorrect, signage only has legal weight in AZ for "Public" buildings and events...which is specifically defined. They must also provision for secure storage.

From 13-3102

N.

2. "Public establishment" means a structure, vehicle or craft that is owned, leased or operated by this state or a political subdivision of this state.

3. "Public event" means a specifically named or sponsored event of limited duration that is either conducted by a public entity or conducted by a private entity with a permit or license granted by a public entity. Public event does not include an unsponsored gathering of people in a public place.

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by mej16489

Incorrect, signage only has legal weight in AZ for "Public" buildings and events...which is specifically defined. They must also provision for secure storage.

From 13-3102

N.

2. "Public establishment" means a structure, vehicle or craft that is owned, leased or operated by this state or a political subdivision of this state.

3. "Public event" means a specifically named or sponsored event of limited duration that is either conducted by a public entity or conducted by a private entity with a permit or license granted by a public entity. Public event does not include an unsponsored gathering of people in a public place.

Not entirely correct.

What you posted was about misconduct with a weapon. [ARS 13-3102]

Posted no firearm signs have legal weight when correctly posted at establishments that sells alcohol for consumption. [ARS 4-229]

For establishments that sells alcohol for consumption in AZ:
~If an establishment sells alcohol for consumption and they have a correctly posted no firearm sign, then a non-LEO cannot legally carry within. [ARS 4-229]
~If an establishment sells alcohol for consumption and they do not have a posted no firearm sign, then only a LEO or a person with a valid carry permit can legally carry within. [ARS 4-244]
*Establishments that sells alcohol for consumption are not legally required to provide storage for firearms.


Arizona Revised Statue 4-229 Licenses; handguns; posting of notice
A. A person may carry a concealed handgun on the premises of a licensee who is an on-sale retailer unless the licensee posts a sign that clearly prohibits the possession of weapons on the licensed premises. The sign shall conform to the following requirements:
1. Be posted in a conspicuous location accessible to the general public and immediately adjacent to the liquor license posted on the licensed premises.
2. Contain a pictogram that shows a firearm within a red circle and a diagonal red line across the firearm.
3. Contain the words, "no firearms allowed pursuant to A.R.S. section 4-229".
B. A person shall not carry a firearm on the licensed premises of an on-sale retailer if the licensee has posted the notice prescribed in subsection A of this section.
C. It is an affirmative defense to a violation of subsection B of this section if:
1. The person was not informed of the notice prescribed in subsection A of this section before the violation.
2. Any one or more of the following apply:
(a) At the time of the violation the notice prescribed in subsection A of this section had fallen down.
(b) At the time of the violation the person was not a resident of this state.
(c) The licensee had posted the notice prescribed in subsection A of this section not more than thirty days before the violation.
D. The department of liquor licenses and control shall prepare the signs required by this section and make them available at no cost to licensees.
E. The signs required by this section shall be composed of block, capital letters printed in black on white laminated paper at a minimum weight of one hundred ten pound index. The lettering and pictogram shall consume a space at least six inches by nine inches. The letters constituting the words "no firearms allowed" shall be at least three-fourths of a vertical inch and all other letters shall be at least one-half of a vertical inch. Nothing shall prohibit a licensee from posting additional signs at one or more locations on the premises.
F. This section does not prohibit a person who possesses a handgun from entering the licensed premises for a limited time for the specific purpose of either:
1. Seeking emergency aid.
2. Determining whether a sign has been posted pursuant to subsection A of this section.

Arizona Revised Statue 4-244 Unlawful acts; definition
It is unlawful:
29. For any person other than a peace officer while on duty or off duty or a member of a sheriff's volunteer posse while on duty who has received firearms training that is approved by the Arizona peace officer standards and training board, a retired peace officer as defined in section 38-1113 or an honorably retired law enforcement officer who has been issued a certificate of firearms proficiency pursuant to section 13-3112, subsection T, the licensee or an employee of the licensee acting with the permission of the licensee to be in possession of a firearm while on the licensed premises of an on-sale retailer. This paragraph does not include a situation in which a person is on licensed premises for a limited time in order to seek emergency aid and such person does not buy, receive, consume or possess spirituous liquor. This paragraph does not apply to:
(a) Hotel or motel guest room accommodations.
(b) Exhibiting or displaying a firearm in conjunction with a meeting, show, class or similar event.
(c) A person with a permit issued pursuant to section 13-3112 who carries a concealed handgun on the licensed premises of any on-sale retailer that has not posted a notice pursuant to section 4-229.

Arizona Revised Statue 13-3102 Misconduct involving weapons; defenses; classification; definitions
A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly:
10. Unless specifically authorized by law, entering any public establishment or attending any public event and carrying a deadly weapon on his person after a reasonable request by the operator of the establishment or the sponsor of the event or the sponsor's agent to remove his weapon and place it in the custody of the operator of the establishment or the sponsor of the event for temporary and secure storage of the weapon pursuant to section 13-3102.01;
N. For the purposes of this section:
2. "Public establishment" means a structure, vehicle or craft that is owned, leased or operated by this state or a political subdivision of this state.
3. "Public event" means a specifically named or sponsored event of limited duration that is either conducted by a public entity or conducted by a private entity with a permit or license granted by a public entity. Public event does not include an unsponsored gathering of people in a public place.

Arizona Revised Statue 13-3102.01 Storage of deadly weapons; definitions
A. If an operator of a public establishment or a sponsor of a public event requests that a person carrying a deadly weapon remove the weapon, the operator or sponsor shall provide temporary and secure storage. The storage shall be readily accessible on entry into the establishment or event and allow for the immediate retrieval of the weapon on exit from the establishment or event.
B. This section does not apply to the licensed premises of any public establishment or public event with a license issued pursuant to title 4.
C. The operator of the establishment or the sponsor of the event or the employee of the operator or sponsor or the agent of the sponsor, including a public entity or public employee, is not liable for acts or omissions pursuant to this section unless the operator, sponsor, employee or agent intended to cause injury or was grossly negligent.
D. For the purposes of this section, "public establishment" and "public event" have the same meanings prescribed in section 13-3102.

[4wdboss]

I used my hunter safety certificate for AZ CCW.
Ordered the packet, had local police dept do finger printing, filled out forms, sent in necessary paperwork and received CCW a while later.
Easy.

Recently renewed, that took 6 months to get.

[mej16489]

Originally Posted by Quiet

Not entirely correct.

What you posted was about misconduct with a weapon. [ARS 13-3102]

Posted no firearm signs have legal weight when correctly posted at establishments that sells alcohol for consumption. [ARS 4-229]

For establishments that sells alcohol for consumption in AZ:
~If an establishment sells alcohol for consumption and they have a correctly posted no firearm sign, then a non-LEO cannot legally carry within. [ARS 4-229]
~If an establishment sells alcohol for consumption and they do not have a posted no firearm sign, then only a LEO or a person with a valid carry permit can legally carry within. [ARS 4-244]
*Establishments that sells alcohol for consumption are not legally required to provide storage for firearms.

I was only addressing his statement about signage for public places, not his statement about bars.

[audiophil2]

Originally Posted by golfish

This is where I get confused. Its not like it takes much If everybody can open carry and conceal carry in Az, why do you need a permit?

Pre COVID nics checks took a few seconds to clear.
During COVID and the riots nics delays went past the max 3 day hold and as long as 30 days. Mostly it was 7 days.
Dealers were not allowed to release after the 3 day delay as the government enacted the small print of allowing longer delays during government office closures.

All those guys worrying about defending themselves had to wait

All the guys with cwp could walk out in minutes with their guns.

There was a point we're some shops were making separate lines for cwp vs nics.

[Mayor McRifle]

Originally Posted by DaveInOroValley

Love living here, like the Founding Fathers envisioned our country.

They envisioned a desert?

[golfish]

Originally Posted by Mayor McRifle

They envisioned a desert?

lol

Lots of nice places in Az, it's just too bad that it's going purple. I know 3 guys who I worked and ride with who moved there 5+ years ago, they sure didn't help ...