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First shotgun, home defense, which of these 3?
Any help from you experienced shotgunners would be helpful.
Wanting a home defense shot gun that won't break the bank. Sportsman Outdoor has a sale and I am considering the following three. I am looking for home defense, and one that the whole family could use over time. Any input would be great...thanks. The one with the detach mag I am leaning away from. Except for quick reloads, it seems like it would just be something to possibly get banged around when handling and with tube feeding, there should not be any mag issues....any merit in that? Remington 870 hardwood https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperst...paign=112018-1 Remington 870 with detach mag https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperst...paign=112018-1 Mossberg 500 https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperst...2.cfm/ID/66428 |
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I'm a fan of mossbergs because they're cheaper and the safety is ambi.
I have a 590 pistol grip, 590A1, 500, and a maverick 88 (which I got because it was like $149 on sale) All work fine and have no problems. I don't use remingtons, don't have much bad to say except I have seen my friend and another dude have to bang the butt stock on the ground while holding the fore end to extract and eject a shell. Last edited by Suparaito; 11-20-2018 at 2:35 PM.. |
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Mossberg 500....
Hopin that the sound of loading it would suffice... Otherwise ... Birdshot... HATE to sound like a WUSS :-)
PLEASE don't tell NOBODY ;-)
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Mossberg. I had a 590 that was a great gun. I've had a Remington 870 for about 6 years now and havent had any issues with it. But I think I prefer the Mossberg.
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500 / 590
870's were the standard for many years ( most patrol vehicles still carry them.) As a lefty I have always preferred the Mossberg 500/590 series for a pump, and they are a bit cheaper I think. Only caveat is do you prefer your safety in the trigger area, if so maybe a older 870 before their quality became questionable, as many with smaller hands can't access the safety on the top of the Mossberg receiver. (Not sure your families sizes.)
No experience with the magazine fed 870, but 3 magazine will cost you almost half the price of a Mossberg 500 so keep that in mind ( plus their only six rounds from what I see.) Last edited by Daze; 11-20-2018 at 2:53 PM.. |
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OP, have you checked out the Mossberg 930 tactical 8 shot? I've seen them for around $400. If I get another shotgun, that would be it.
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I got the 24" 8 shot JM pro 930 but it wasn't for $400
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OP. I agree with SnWnMe regarding Remington. Especially since they filed bankruptcy back in March. Who knows what they're doing at the moment on how they are restructuring their debt although JPMorgan has given them new life.
It would behoove you to shop in the marketplace for a used one. They are always selling and sometimes you can find a wingmaster for around $300.00. If you must get new, get a Mossberg. Even save more money and get a Maverick. The differences are negligible regarding function except for the safety. If the tang safety is that important, then get the Mossberg.
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Mossberg because of the controls and the way it loads.
https://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/bat...remington-870/
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I got a Mossberg 500 with the two barrels at Big 5 years many years ago. It's very reliable, but the 28" barrel is a fixed choke and I just can't hit clays with it. I picked up an Accuchoke barrel for it off ebay for $100 and it's better, but with that barrel I've had some ftf issues. The 18" and the original 28" barrels are no problem.
My friend got a Remington 870 a couple years ago and we were having all kinds of ejection problems with it. With the cheap aluminum case stuff from Walmart they stick in the chamber until it cools down. We were waiting a couple minutes after each shot until we could eject it. We couldn't even rack the slide because it would stick shut. I've read online of some fixes for it, but it didn't instill a lot of confidence in the gun. And my friend bought it thinking it was "an upgrade" from the Mossy 500, lol. |
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The JM pro is nice and more expensive. I was thinking about this model:
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...21092/redirect
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My two favorite shotguns.
Mossberg 590A1 Remington 870 Wingmaster CHP So I am not a good responder
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Moss berg. Also, consider the weight of and\ 8-round mag. You’re defending the home. The sound of racking the slide should resolve conflicts. 5 rounds of #6 (good shot dispersal at close range and easier to patch walls) ought to seal the deal.
And don’t be too excited about those pistol grip replacements for the stock...aiming sucks and the gun drives into your hand and sprains the wrist. If you MUST have one, let me know.
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Both guns (500 or 870) are quality guns. The US Law enforcement and military agencies have used both over the years. If you are going to buy a Remington "870", buy an older 870 "Wingmaster", "Special Purpose", or "Police" model and you should not have any issues. The express model was the start of the downward spiral of quality at Remington.
Try both and go with what you like best. Best regards, 870classic. |
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I'm not a fan of the box magazine fed shotguns (I just don't see the point if it's still just six rounds and I'm not into shotguns for situations that require more reloading than a few shoot-one/load-one additions), but otherwise Mossberg and Remington are both fine. I personally like the 590 better as a lefty and I like where the slide-release is on the 590.
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Both the Remington Wood and the Mossberg are quality guns. Between those I would either try to shoot both or at least fondle both and see if you can figure out if you have a preference for where the controls are on one over the other.
Note that if you ever plan to put a pistol grip on it for any reason, the Mossberg safety on top might become problematic. But if you're a lefty, you might like the safety on top instead. Other that that, I do love me some wood furniture. But that is mostly an aesthetic preference.
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Thanks everyone for your time and expertise. I posted just before leaving for work and just arrived back home to find lots of good info and insight here.
It looks like the Mossberg is favored by far. I think I will do some more shopping around for the best deal but it looks like I will be focusing on the Moss ....thanks again everyone. |
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Mossberg 500 for the win - or 590 if you’re willing to spend more.
Remington probably turns out a good shotgun these days, but it’s gonna take work for people to trust their products anytime soon. Please don’t buy any shotgun with a detachable magazine - that will only encourage manufacturers to continue to do stupid superfluous things...
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The 500
And you are right no gimmick mags If 5 rounds or 8 rounds of OO buck have not solved the problem in your home, your tactics stink, your marksmanship stinks etc Buy one and learn how to run the firearm.
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Get a 500. Lighter weight then the 590, its proven to be reliable out of the box and serve you well. Lots of aftermarket support
Ive lost count of the current production 870s with how bad the reviews are. lots of MIM parts, poor machine work, failure to eject etc
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Have you been able to handle either in person? I ask, because you might find that you like the feel of one over the other. I was set on Mossberg, but my wife preferred the 870, so we went that route. I have been quite happy with the 870's. It has been over 20 years though, so I cannot speak to current production quality.
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I love a regular 500 pump with the mag tube that's the same as the barrel... I have a 20" 500 with regular synth stock... bead sight, recently added a light... but it was fine stock as hell since 1998/99 or whatever. $220 IIRC back then in the run up to Y2K. Light as possible, fantastic trigger, will last forever, smooth action, safety in the correct location. Something like this without the heat shield. I love my plain old Mossberg 930 defense or Tactical model too. Extended tube, beads, can add a $10 rail and mount RDS if you want.
https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperst....cfm/ID/188897 https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperst....cfm/ID/195587 |
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Get the Mossberg 500 combo, best bang for your buck for a great reliable shotgun with two barrels. I bought the 535 combo for a little more, under $400, because the 28" barrel takes chokes.
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This seems a bargain, but I dunno the cons of the 88's if any:
https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperst...2.cfm/ID/34461 "CROSS BOLT SAFETY IN FRONT OF TRIGGER" get a 500. Last edited by crufflers; 11-21-2018 at 9:07 AM.. |
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You can't go wrong with an older (pre-Freedom Group) 870 or Mossberg 500/590. The newer Remington's have rust issues, so be aware of that. If I were in the market for a NIB shotgun, I would go with a 500/590
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Have Remington 870 Wingmaster, 870 Special Field, Mossberg 500 combo 12ga and 500 410, all are good reliable shotguns, but the Mossberg 500s are rattly noisy and the 870s are not.
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Get an older Remington 870 on the used market. Preferably a police magnum.
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I had a Mossberg 500 combo. It's a good gun; I like the location of the safety. I sold it to a friend. Now I have a Savage 320 combo (its pump action is a Winchester clone). I like the 320's action because it's quicker and smoother than the 500's. |
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FYI, if you think you might want to extend the magazine tube, don't get the 500. Get the 590. Unless things have changed, the magazine tube on the 500 can't be extended.
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I am a mossberg fan and have a 590 of my own. It'd be my recommendation over the 500 for the fact that the mag capacity can be easily extended if that's your thing.
However, going into Black Friday, I think this is a hard deal to pass up... $225 for a Maverick 88 with both field and HD barrels... It shows a price of $250, but it's on their black friday paper ad for $225 so I'm sure it will update once that sale starts https://www.big5sportinggoods.com/st...57/_/A-5993647 |
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Also be aware that if you buy the cheaper Mossberg 88, a Surefire forend light won't fit without a lot of work. If at all. Better to get the 500 for not much more.
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