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Minn. PD is first in state to test new restraint device
http://www.policeone.com/police-prod...traint-device/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I watched the video on YouTube. I’m pretty sure I saw two mini Snow Speeders wrapping this thing around the guys legs?
https://youtu.be/h8fg3DTPq5A Last edited by Yodaman; 11-20-2018 at 6:57 PM.. |
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Some time ago (maybe a little over a year?) they came and gave us a demo/presentation and were supposed to give us a few units to do some further testing & eval - AFAIK, nobody ever received anything afterwards (big first strike there). Personally, I feel that it's got a pretty limited application range (situations wherein it could be useful or effective, not talking about distance) - IMO, it's definitely Not as utile or practical as they think it is. At the time, it didn't seem like they had tested it on anyone really resisting or fighting. One or more of them thought it would be reasonable to use and effective against an assaultive suspect armed with a knife, I laughed at that (even if the suspect with a knife wasn't assaultive and was just standing there, I'd still laugh at the people who believe it would be effective to nullify the potential threat...)
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Samuelx, I definitely agree, this could potentially be an additional tool where Taser or OC, or some other force option would be used. But a combative suspect armed with a weapon of any kind would necessitate another level of force where this device would be ineffective and even create a more dangerous contact for officers.
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Ehh, I agree with most of the sentiment. I’m pretty skeptical. Deploy that around a fleeing subject’s legs and they trip and fall, how or would that solve injury related lawsuits against a department by the subject’s family? It doesn’t.
The last clip of the officer getting the wrap around his legs, he was standing with his legs slightly apart. I don’t believe it’s self adjusting and all that officer would have to do is give himself slack in the wrap and step right out. Same with the wrap around the upper body/arms. A subject standing with his/her arms up with a knife in hand. Wrap the legs up. What if the subject doesn’t drop the knife. Like others have pointed out, you still have to go hands on or deploy another tool for pain compliance. This job is requires force to be used. No getting around that. |
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Rather use a Taser... this will probably have to deployed with the some guidelines anyway; why bother with this thing? Taser/bean bag/K9 for distance, baton/hands on for close in less than lethal work... LEO's have enough crap to cart around as it is.
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While this device sounds like a great tool.
It may really be opening the agency up to some serious litigation. Since it uses a 9mm blank to fire the bolo. Imagine if you will.. You have a cover officer from another agency and you. You draw your bolo-device and deploy it. Just as you do another officer shows up and hears the gunshot and fires also. Your cover officer also shoots because he hears another gun shot and sympathically fires also. We know that CAN happen. Bystanders see you draw a device on the suspect who is unarmed and then they hear a gunshot and see the suspect fall. You and other officers immediately move in to restrain the suspect who is now on the ground..The bystanders see numerous officers pile on top of a just shot suspect. The photos themselves would be epic. So in theory it sounds great..but practically it may not be so wonderful. |
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What ever happened to using a good old straight stick or a Gonzales 415 sap? Good times are definately over.
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I ran into a Dep from LASD that still carries a sap. First time I ever saw one in the field. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Sap gloves were all the rage many years ago Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by Yodaman; 11-20-2018 at 8:33 PM.. |
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I wouldn’t mind carrying a sap. There just seems to be less and less room for everything. |
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ASP on belt for policy compliance and closing the passenger A/C vent, dymondwood straight stick when someone needs some hickory shampoo.
Last edited by SarcoBlaster; 11-22-2018 at 5:43 AM.. |
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Could this be a useful tool in some situations? Sure. But this device could also cause any of the above listed adverse results. As such, i roll my eyes every time someone touts some new less lethal device as a miracle use of force cure-all, especially when that someone has no street experience
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I see the Gonzales 415 carried by one or two Deps every time I stop into an LASD station. I carried one daily when I worked a patrol assignment. They’re still out there..... I believe Long Beach PD still is authorized to carry them too.
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Or ASP for checking door handles where scary spiders live... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Oh, is that what that’s for?! Hahahah.
Other things started occupying those spots. I might figure something out to make some room. |
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I thought you were talking about a trainee.
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It is all OK until someone launches one around a suspects neck...
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Uh....you mean "Balanced Driving Gloves"...
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Yes....in addition to LASD, Long Beach PD and the San Diego SD are still authorized to carry the Sap. That’s the only ones left that I know of. We will see for how much longer! Heard the current LASD sheriff was not a fan and was considering banning them but he looks like he’s on his way out. San Diego SD carries the standard Sap, not the Gonzales style. Long Beach PD I have seen both styles carried. LASD just the Gonzales style per policy.
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