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Old 10-27-2018, 9:40 PM
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Statistics JimiJah, can't even dispute.

Think he will ever apply?


Actually, I hope he does apply and get issued (assuming he's not otherwise disqualified). As long as he doesn't have an emotional breakdown during the process, if he gets issued, it might break his negativism and help him enjoy life more. That, in turn, will allow his family, friends, coworkers, etc to enjoy their lives more too.

JimiJah, if you read this I encourage you to read over the posts I made in my thread re. applying for a CCW with CoCoCo. (I'll be editing it about .mil, Guard, and reserve LE experience in the next day or two.) It might both help you with your app and help ease your mind re. the whole process.
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1482924

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One of the hardest tasks has been convincing people that the CCW policy has changed. I know it is hard to believe, but it seems like some are happier being unhappy about CCWs.

Fortunately, hundreds are even happier about having their CCW.

600 issued in the first 12 months of the change (since September 2017) and now issuing around 40 a week.

Need help applying? Go here: www.sandiegocountygunowners.com/ccw
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Old 11-26-2018, 10:14 AM
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One of the hardest tasks has been convincing people that the CCW policy has changed. I know it is hard to believe, but it seems like some are happier being unhappy about CCWs.

Fortunately, hundreds are even happier about having their CCW.

600 issued in the first 12 months of the change (since September 2017) and now issuing around 40 a week.

Need help applying? Go here: www.sandiegocountygunowners.com/ccw
As of today, Nov 26, according to Gore's own CCW page,
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Another month and Gore's cranked out another 100 CCWs!

Current total: 1858
https://www.sdsheriff.net/licensing/ccw.html
That's closer to issuing ~25 per week again, ~100/month. We should find out if they average ~40/week this next month between Christmas and New Years. Either way, come Dec 31st, SDSO should break 2,000 issued CCWs for the first time EVER!!!


Soon, the bottleneck may be the renewals slowing down initial applications....
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One of the hardest tasks has been convincing people that the CCW policy has changed. I know it is hard to believe, but it seems like some are happier being unhappy about CCWs.

Fortunately, hundreds are even happier about having their CCW.

600 issued in the first 12 months of the change (since September 2017) and now issuing around 40 a week.

Need help applying? Go here: www.sandiegocountygunowners.com/ccw


Your efforts have paid dividends for many!

Thanks for staying in the fight!
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Old 11-30-2018, 2:29 PM
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Soooo the licensing folks at SD Sheriff's Dept just called. Apparently they're not happy that I applied using a Ca state ID and not a drivers license. My driver's license is still from Wa. I just never converted it over. Even though I have a place down here, my truck is registered here, I filed a CA tax return, etc., they won't issue my permit until I either have the CA lic or can demonstrate I'm in process. So I now have an appointment with DMV.

This is all so very stupid for something that is supposed to be my right, granted to me from God, not Bill Gore.
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Old 12-01-2018, 12:35 PM
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:This is all so very stupid for something that is supposed to be my right, granted to me from God, not Bill Gore.
You've been either hanging around CGN too much (to think that a CA CCW currently has anything to do with the 2nd A), or not enough (to come across my advice thread for people who want CCWs in CoCoCo).

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PRELIMINARY MATTER (Extremely important!!!)

(1) Concealed Carry is not about the 2nd Amendment "Right to Keep & Bear Arms". The Ninth Circuit en banc in Peruta said there is no 2nd A Right to Concealed Carry, so what you’re seeking in applying for a CCW permit is to exercise a privilege under California state law. That’s the perspective of the sheriffs and chiefs because that’s the current state of the law for California. Make it your perspective when applying, even though you may believe it is wrong. Bringing up the 2nd Amendment won’t get you anywhere and will just annoy them. Don't do it.

(2) Concealed Carry requires a permit (CCW) under CA state law. When you hear “permit”, think “permission slip”. You are requesting a permission slip to exercise a privilege of legally concealed carrying of a handgun. This sucks and sounds unconstitutional, but it’s the current state of the law. Just thank God Trump is president so, hopefully, SCOTUS will fix this sorry state of affairs. But don’t expect the sheriff to fix it -- he’s in law enforcement, not into making or judging laws. Don't try to debate the point. Even if you win, you won't win.

(3) A CA CCW is a May Issue permit, not Shall Issue. Getting a driver's license at the DMV is Shall Issue. There you can -- frighteningly -- wear a pro marijuana T-shirt, shorts and flip-flops and look down your nose ring at the DMV Lady and still get your license. Not so here. When you hear “May Issue”, think “Mother may I?” That should be your attitude because that’s the power the sheriff has over whether he grants you a CCW or not. Don’t like it? Don’t apply. Once again: this is not about getting to carry under our federal Constitution’s 2nd A, but under our state’s statutory law. So far, as far as the Ninth Circuit is concerned, we don’t have a RBA to Concealed Carry under the 2nd A (Peruta) and they're still figuring out what to decide re. Open Carry (Young). If you want to legally carry now, you have to play by the rules of the game as they are now. Otherwise, just wait until the federal courts sort things out (in a few years, we hope).

If you only want to carry under the 2nd A: don't apply for a CA CCW permit and remain unarmed in public in CA for a few years until the federal courts decide what public carry right is enshrined in the 2nd A. (Will it be OC? CC? both? loaded? w/o permit or can a permit be required?) This thread is for those who'd rather CC under our state's permitting scheme until then. I keep harping on this because we, on CGN, are always talking about the 2nd A and various court battles over it. It will be easy for you to slip back into that way of thinking during the application process and talking during the interview — DON’T!!!
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You've been either hanging around CGN too much (to think that a CA CCW currently has anything to do with the 2nd A), or not enough (to come across my advice thread for people who want CCWs in CoCoCo).
Believe me, I have NO illusions to think that CCW has anything to do with 2A in this godforsaken 2A wasteland of a state. I am simply exercising my God given First Amendment right to bitc...err...complain. I figured since there are NO 2A rights here, I might as well exercise some of the remaining ones I have left.

Our Founders would be shooting people by now.

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For purposes of ID and an LTC permit; why is a CalDMV ID "substandard" to a Cal DMV issued driver's license? I can easily see examples of citizens that don't have/need a driver's license and may also have good cause for an LTC.

SUX that uncle bill still uses his imagination stead of law for policy decisions.
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Old 12-02-2018, 2:31 PM
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All I can think is because there are two IDs, the CA ID and the out of state drives license, could lead to confusion on address when comparing to the address listed on the CCW. They are really big on making sure your home address is accurate sending out people to check even in some cases.
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I suppose, but you'd think the DMV verified ca address coupled with utility bills and so on that uncle bill requires to verify your address would be sufficient. An out of state dl shouldn't even enter in the issue process or "field verification" if it ever comes up.
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I think it's all about a traffic stop in this particular case... an officer is going to ask for driver's license, and now you are presenting differing addresses with what you have on the CCW permit. And of course the CCW is issued to only residents of the issuing county and now your presenting at least one ID that says you live in another state.
If you don't drive, the CA ID would probably be fine. The out of state driver license is what I think they are concerned about.
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Im in the same situation as L84Cabo-homes in San Diego and Texas. Have a vehicle in SD registered in ca. Got traffic stopped once in SD. Showed officer tx dl and ca registration with proof of ca insurance on vehicle. He asked why tx dl, I explained dual state residency, and that was it-no issue.

But for ca only resident with no ca driver's license, I still don't see why a state issued id is "insufficient" for uncle bill.
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Im in the same situation as L84Cabo-homes in San Diego and Texas. Have a vehicle in SD registered in ca. Got traffic stopped once in SD. Showed officer tx dl and ca registration with proof of ca insurance on vehicle. He asked why tx dl, I explained dual state residency, and that was it-no issue.

But for ca only resident with no ca driver's license, I still don't see why a state issued id is "insufficient" for uncle bill.
Likely because Bill does not issue for out of state residents. Period. Nobody in CA does to the best of my knowledge. YOU MUST LIVE HERE. So when they see and ID and not a license, they get suspicious. If I had told him that I didn't drive, I bet he would have accepted the id. I don't know what he would have said if I told him I was dual resident. Wasn't that really Peruta's situation essentially?
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^^^ Well I searched this web page:

https://www.sdsheriff.net/licensing/ccw.html

And I searched the SDCO Sheriff's application form, and nowhere did it state you had to have a ca driver's license. The only place I found any mention of a dl was on the application where it asked for:

Drivers License no./ID no.

You do have to "demonstrate/prove" residency and there is a list of acceptable documents that do that. Again, no mention of a driver's license. So uncle bill must believe if you posess a dl from another state, you can't be a resident if SD county regardless of what ever documentation you have. Guess I don't have to pay anymore ca income taxes then either!

So uncle bill is conjuring unsubstantiated/undocumented requirements that are not reflected in his published department policy.

I guess if I decide to apply, I'll just answer "I don't have one" if asked for a driver's license.
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^^^ Well I searched this web page:

https://www.sdsheriff.net/licensing/ccw.html

And I searched the SDCO Sheriff's application form, and nowhere did it state you had to have a ca driver's license. The only place I found any mention of a dl was on the application where it asked for:

Drivers License no./ID no.

You do have to "demonstrate/prove" residency and there is a list of acceptable documents that do that. Again, no mention of a driver's license. So uncle bill must believe if you posess a dl from another state, you can't be a resident if SD county regardless of what ever documentation you have. Guess I don't have to pay anymore ca income taxes then either!

So uncle bill is conjuring unsubstantiated/undocumented requirements that are not reflected in his published department policy.

I guess if I decide to apply, I'll just answer "I don't have one" if asked for a driver's license.
First I'll simply say that I had absolutely zero expectation that any of this process was going to be in accordance with the Constitution. It's frustrating of course, but it's California where the ability to carry is absolutely a privilege and not a right.

I'll also wish you luck on your answer, "I don't have one." But I suspect it probably won't work. I had all of the proper documentation to prove CA residency. And it didn't stop the clerks from calling me to ask why I was applying with a CA ID. They're going to want to hear a valid reason why you have a CA ID...like it's because you don't drive or possibly because you are a dual resident.

I honestly don't know how the dual resident claim would have gone. I could have tried to go down the path but it's such a cluster-eff in this state already, I didn't want to take the chance that they would come back and say, "no, you're actually a resident of WA and, therefore, no permit for you." Washington is much simpler with this so swapping out of WA DL for a CA one is really the path of least resistance. At least for me.

Do let us know how it goes if you do decide to apply. And to that end, if you're thinking about applying at all, it's probably best to get your appointment schedule now as the wait is only getting longer. You can always cancel the appt down the road if you change your mind.

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I guess if I decide to apply, I'll just answer "I don't have one" if asked for a driver's license.
If it's true fine. Otherwise I would strongly recommend to not do this for numerous reasons beyond just not getting a California CCW this time, likely it would
mean never getting one no matter how much easier it gets here in the future. Or if applying in another state or county in the future the question may be asked "
have you ever been denied? and why? Better to be able to say good cause was not enough, and not I lied about my license.
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Got my approval letter today. My second interview was Sep 27. And my "good cause" was along the lines of...

1) Frequently visiting remote parts of the county where cell service and police response time would be delayed

2) To shoot, camp, hike, etc.

3) And my being in possession of thousands of dollars worth of firearms, camping equipment, my truck, etc., makes me a greater target for theft/robbery.
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So I took my CCW class today (Discount Gun Mart, Morena) and as the instructor was checking permit numbers on the approval letters, he mentioned that one guy was the first time he's had someone come through his class with a number over 30,000. This is supposedly the number of permits that have been issued in the county since the beginning of time.

Seems like a pretty small number all things considered but hopefully we make up for lost time now that Gore has started issuing.
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So I took my CCW class today (Discount Gun Mart, Morena) and as the instructor was checking permit numbers on the approval letters, he mentioned that one guy was the first time he's had someone come through his class with a number over 30,000. This is supposedly the number of permits that have been issued in the county since the beginning of time.

Seems like a pretty small number all things considered but hopefully we make up for lost time now that Gore has started issuing.
That's over 1000 a month based on what my number was three months ago.
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