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Old 07-19-2012, 11:44 PM
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While I'm at it, this law would implicate private owner as well as it points to any person, not limited to business establishments. Therefore if an off roster gun is considered unsafe then anyone of us who shows another individual an off-list weapon would violate the law. At the end, just what is CA's definition of an unsafe handgun???


32000. (a) Commencing January 1, 2001, any person in this state who
manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state
for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends
any unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county
jail not exceeding one year.

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nope, there is an exemption for a private individual to sell an unsafe handgun without violating the law.


32110. Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5
(commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to any of the
following:
(a) The sale, loan, or transfer of any firearm pursuant to Chapter
5 (commencing with Section 28050) of Division 6 in order to comply
with Section 27545.
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Old 07-19-2012, 11:55 PM
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Really?

You're whining because someone wouldnt let you handle a sidearm you cant buy?

News flash - Crap happens...
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:07 AM
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The guns are considered "unsafe" until they are tested. Currently I believe a manufacturer has to provide 10 working samples of each firearm model they want to sell, pay $5000 to the State approved Labs for EACH firearm they submit and do it all over every year.
Just some corrections:

3 samples of each model required at initial application only

$200 Initial application and per year renewal per model
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:17 AM
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nope, there is an exemption for a private individual to sell an unsafe handgun without violating the law.


32110. Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5
(commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to any of the
following:
(a) The sale, loan, or transfer of any firearm pursuant to Chapter
5 (commencing with Section 28050) of Division 6 in order to comply
with Section 27545.
Thank you sir for clarifying my question. You've been very helpful unlike a certain someone....


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Really?

You're whining because someone wouldnt let you handle a sidearm you cant buy?

News flash - Crap happens...
No, I'm not really whining.

News flash - Danny your reading comprehension sucks.

I made it clear that I was trying get an understanding of the law which many other members helped out. None of them thought I was whining. I wonder what made you think that I was whining
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:24 AM
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32000. (a) Commencing January 1, 2001, any person in this state who
manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state
for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends
any unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county
jail not exceeding one year.


that's the law regarding unsafe handguns. There is an exemption for LE sales. Does the act of pulling the handgun out of the case to let you fondle it violate 32000?
No, there is an exemption available:

PC 32110. Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5
(commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to any of the
following:
(b) The sale, loan, or transfer of any firearm that is exempt from
the provisions of Section 27545 pursuant to any applicable exemption
contained in Article 2 (commencing with Section 27600) or Article 6
(commencing with Section 27850) of Chapter 4 of Division 6, if the
sale, loan, or transfer complies with the requirements of that
applicable exemption to Section 27545.

This allows you to lend an "unsafe" handgun to another person personally known to you for 30 days (PC 27880), or to lend it to anyone for up to 3 days as long as you remain in their presence the entire time (PC 27885).

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Old 07-20-2012, 12:59 AM
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if gun is unsafe what is a leo doing with it? just shows how asinine the entire roster law is. look at the Huntington beach cop that had a ND while cleaning his pistol this week.put another officer in the hospital with a bullet wound. now there more qualified than a civi to handle a so called unsafe handgun? its just completely absurd that a law like this could ever get passed. no one should handle a weapon deemed unsafe...... hmmm unless..... they want to make a ton of money from the manufactures, limit and make it a pain in the rear for a law abiding civi to obtain one. heck, he might just say forget it, its not worth the hassle. wow great law, win win for them.


um sorry about that........
rant over, back to the topic.
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That would end my gun buying relationship with that shop. I won't buy any guns from shops that refuse to do SSEs while other gun shops are going the extra mile to get civilians the handguns they should be entitled to. Even if I want a rifle, I take my business to the DAS'es and Parallax Tacticals of the world. Shops that do SSEs get ALL my gun business.
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IMO Ammo Bro's is always psycho busy...so why waste time showing you and shooting the **** about a gun that you can't purchase? Maybe if you were the only person in the store and say wanted to see a off roster gun because you were considering a SSE...then they could show it, but otherwise it's not worth their time.
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I had the same thing hapen at the Ontario store. I was looking at the LC9 and wanted to do a side by side comparison with the LCP and was told the same thing. No biggie to me as I already own an LCP. Like anyone these days I am sure they are just practicing CYA. Blame the government for that. They are always looking for the slightest reason to yank FFL's these days and I am sure a sucessful business like Ammo Bros does not want to take the risk, whatever that might be. They always treat me well there and I will continue to do business with them.
Ammo Brothers has always been a fantastic gun store. Very professional and they do PPTs fast and no hassle. They also have a good selection of reloading supplies. Nice people as well.
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Ammo Brothers has always been a fantastic gun store. Very professional and they do PPTs fast and no hassle. They also have a good selection of reloading supplies. Nice people as well.
The point is, there is no law against them showing the gun to non-LEO, they just did not want to do it since they could not sell it to him.
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Old 07-20-2012, 1:52 PM
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The point is, there is no law against them showing the gun to non-LEO, they just did not want to do it since they could not sell it to him.
Once again, that's exactly the clarity I was looking for. This means that I can go to another shop and I might have better luck.

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They wouldn't show you the gun? There is a shooting range that rents an XDm, among many other handguns to customers.
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The point is, there is no law against them showing the gun to non-LEO, they just did not want to do it since they could not sell it to him.
+1000

Ammo Brothers Ontario is one of my favorite gun stores and I'll continue to shop there.

They are well educated as to gun laws and know very well that it is perfectly legal to allow customers to handle whatever gun they want, off-list or not.

They simply see no reason to do so since non-LEO would never be able to buy that gun.

Given this, whey let you fondle it and perhaps damage it?

If it was my store, I'd have the same policy.
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